Zipper the creater of Mag knew how to code for the PS3 plus they built an engine from the ground up specifically
for the PS3. RockStar mastered rendering for the PS3. Meaning alot if the open world doesn't pop up.
They hide it with fog so when You get close to an object that's far away.
It appears gradually.

That's why MAG vets like myself laugh at CCP when they say the hardware is limited. To be honest CCP
is the only developer besides Bethesda that complain about coding for the PS3.

In short if CCP wanted large scale battles they could. They chose not to
And went back to PC cuz that's what they know.

Their inability to program for the PS3, no offense to them, but it's the truth. You look at the people who published those kinda games and it's dug in console developers, who have had a large amount of experience pushing consoles to their limit even in the early stages.

CCP has pretty much only exclusively programmed on PC (Dust excluded) and as such they just don't know how to do it.
However with PS4 it will be a lot easier to repurpose legion, after it has been beta tested and deemed ready to go.

First of all this is not another thread hating CCPs recent choices, I support Legion and check the link in my signature it'll take you to a thread where you can post if you support or don't support Legion. And the OP will put your choice up on the beginning of that thread.

So Plenty of people have said that going PC first off would've been a better move when CCP decided to work on Dust 514. I agree also, they would be so far ahead of where they are right now with Dust and even with where it looked like Legion's at. Going with the ps3 was an odd choice for those who understand hardware, with nearly no limit when it comes to hardware with the PC because of hardware available for to be put into a PC getting better and better every year.

But when I saw the # 233 post on this thread I mentioned already ( [Official] Legion support / anti-support thread ) I started to look at the games that are available for the ps3. Thnx to Baal Omniscient https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2137080#post2137080 I decided to learn a bit more about MAG I've heard plenty about it from MAG vets in Dust but I've never actually looked into the game. MAG was able to have 256 players ( 128 vs 128 ) in a single match which is amazing and actually makes the capabilities of the ps3 look so much better than the impression we've gotten with Dust 514.

GTA online/GTA whatever number it is, an open world third person shooter where you can do so many things. I don't even need to explain it.

If the developers of MAG could put 256 players in one battle in their game on the ps3 then why couldn't CCP do something similar? If Rockstar games could make an open world like the other GTA games but online instead then what was stopping CCP from making Dust an open world game?

Ok maybe they wouldn't even be able to do such things with the ps3 in time for fanfest but why not PVE? Remember the introduction vid for the chromosme build where we saw drones, and they even showed what would be spawning them at fanfest 2013.

I'm no expert on the hardware though so...... thoughts?

Dust has something that none of those other games have, something that adds a f*ck ton of overhead - items, thousands of them.

Think about it, a unique selection of thousands of different items arranged in one of millions of configurations that affect your suit, one of hundreds, in slightly different ways depending on your exact configuration of skill points. All that stuff needs to be tracked, stored in memory and applied during battles - no other console game comes close in that respect.

Pretty f**king far, have you seen all console ports in 2013? They all have one thing in common, they take up more memory than Dust, and have more content.

In terms of generic lobby shooter? Probably more.
In terms of what I think I see as the initial Developer's vision of Dust (through archived devblogs), probably not much. It comes down to how easy it would be to network between the client and tranquility. The lag during the fitting screen, and the lag between OB (Eve side) and OB (Dust side) has been at times quite a wait. Player to Player markets would have had a similar problem, and probably led to more "Fatal Error" issues as well.
Delivering the Sandbox experience instead of matches and lobbies would probably be too much for the PS3 to handle (especially if you want the option of larger-scaled engagements and not a few players per instance).

No offense, I see what you're saying, but your comparing very different teams with very different experience and talents. What Mag did with its large battles on a console is very much praiseworthy because of its accomplishment. Does this prove that the PS3 is technically proficient to pull it off? Sure, but not every team is going to be able to pull off such an achievement. Let's not make this into a new industry standard all who follow must measure up against.

CCP's crowning achievements, hosting an MMO with tens of thousands of players on a single-shard server, a player-driven economy, was an impressive feat in its own right. Dust was supposed to be a way of interacting with that on a completely different level.

It's not the hardware it's CCP, they can't code for the PS3.
Eve is point and click style MMO, that's what CCP is good at..

No disrespect but console game FPS is way out of thier league.

More storage? What's that got to do with anything? Just content?



Every developer complained about it. It was a ****** system to develop for. Just because no one talks about it publicly says nothing about what it is like to develop for. Because if they do whiny armchair developers step in.





Not to mention 12 unique dropsuit models, 6 different vehicle models(12 if the racial vehicles are all added) plus all the weapons. People seem to think there is an infinite pool of RAM in the PS3, for whatever reason. Few games have done what Dust has done, in that respect.

Brining up MAG is weird considering making anything for 256 players would have been a nightmare. You don't see insanely high player counts for a reason. Testing it isn't logistically possible for some studio. And we know nothing about their server tech.

And bringing up GTA5 makes very little sense. A game in which 1,000 people worked on with a budget of 265 million with a dev time of 5 years. Why are we brining this up? It makes no sense.

Not true Mag's 256 player game mode was very structured.,objective based. Again something CCP
Couldn't code for Dust, also none of the roles are defined again coding not hardware. In the end it falls on CCP
Not the PS3 limitations.

ummmm there's a lot of thinking when it comes to EVE, not just point and click.

By the time Legion is released, the PS3 will have been obsolete for a while.