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KING SALASI
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:13:00 -
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They will pimp you to buy Aurum like there is tomorrow. Talk big promise this Promise that, then my favorite Soon tm :) |
TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:16:00 -
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But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change.
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KING SALASI
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:18:00 -
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Lol just got an email from CCP telling me come back to Eve Online. My answer hell bleeping no CCP let me down I'm good no more money from me. |
KING SALASI
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:24:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change.
I spent $400 on dust happily by the way. My issue is how they They deceived the Dust community with false hope. While developing Legion just to have folks buy Aurum. Sorry that's not cool they can pull Those shenanigans with the Eve community. |
da GAND
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:32:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change.
They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have?
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:39:00 -
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da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have?
Nothing is certain but one thing that does seem set in stone is the sp not transferring but that's fair play I say. Clearly jot making the same mistakes as releasing a beta and letting the beta players keep all that sp and stomp the sht out of thousands of newbs, I am guilty of this.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:43:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. I spent $400 on dust happily by the way. My issue is how they They deceived the Dust community with false hope. While developing Legion just to have folks buy Aurum. Sorry that's not cool they can pull Those shenanigans with the Eve community.
And I spent around -ú1000. I don't agree with what has happened but its for the better in both the games sake and in a business sense. There is fk all whining will do about it mate.
Now please remember that dust makes up around 1-2% of ccps player base and its stuck on the console, the machine must go on.
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KING SALASI
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:48:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:KING SALASI wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. I spent $400 on dust happily by the way. My issue is how they They deceived the Dust community with false hope. While developing Legion just to have folks buy Aurum. Sorry that's not cool they can pull Those shenanigans with the Eve community. And I spent around -ú1000. I don't agree with what has happened but its for the better in both the games sake and in a business sense. There is fk all whining will do about it mate. Now please remember that dust makes up around 1-2% of ccps player base and its stuck on the console, the machine must go on.
CCP does the same thing with Eve Online talk a big game and then don't deliver. I'm at the point with CCP where it's show me what you got NO MORE TALK. The talking is old now :) |
TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:54:00 -
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da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have?
And the other reality is that CCP has a contract with Sony that has about 7 years left. Sony announced a while ago that the ps3 will still be going for another ten years, I'd say 7 to be realistic as it does have games people will want to keep but eventually should be available to buy and install re formatted for the ps4 SOONGäó.........
dust has some elements that would very badly affect eve players, some of which have waited years just to drop an OB. CCP cannot simply take that away so either dust will continue but turn fw heavy and go down that route OR eve legion will phase it out completely eventually.
With CCP moving to a platform they are used to, they won't need that many people to develop legion, I think dust will carry on at a very very slow pace and may or may not be shut off in 7 years but CCP owns most of the data...............
You can also add in how fking annoyed ccps shareholders would be to 100% completely scrap dust when they have enough data for the buildings of a game or the possibility of carrying it on in the future.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:55:00 -
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So the really really real proper answer is who the fk knows.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:58:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:KING SALASI wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. I spent $400 on dust happily by the way. My issue is how they They deceived the Dust community with false hope. While developing Legion just to have folks buy Aurum. Sorry that's not cool they can pull Those shenanigans with the Eve community. And I spent around -ú1000. I don't agree with what has happened but its for the better in both the games sake and in a business sense. There is fk all whining will do about it mate. Now please remember that dust makes up around 1-2% of ccps player base and its stuck on the console, the machine must go on. CCP does the same thing with Eve Online talk a big game and then don't deliver. I'm at the point with CCP where it's show me what you got NO MORE TALK. The talking is old now :)
What do they do wrong with eve?. I'm high so please cut me a bit of slack lol.
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Orenji Jiji
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:58:00 -
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The only limitation here is CCPs way of doing things -- lowest possible cost.
User market and joined economy would be a thin client over Eve backend, but obviously it was too much work, so that was not done Eve side.
Having matches with more than 16x16 was done before, it's engine limitation, not PS3. Obviously working on lighting code was more important than having bigger matches.
Adding content like weapons and vehicles is not dependent on consoles power, just nobody had time to create the content.
It's also not possible to have trees on playstation, silly kids, Battlefield is just wrong, don't listen to that game.
I liked this game.
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da GAND
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:50:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:So the really really real proper answer is who the fk knows.
Ahh well I still want my character and the sp to transfer over, I put up with the game to have my character progress for that vision CCP had with Dust which they have for Legion now.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:52:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:The only limitation here is CCPs way of doing things -- lowest possible cost.
User market and joined economy would be a thin client over Eve backend, but obviously it was too much work, so that was not done Eve side.
Having matches with more than 16x16 was done before, it's engine limitation, not PS3. Obviously working on lighting code was more important than having bigger matches.
Adding content like weapons and vehicles is not dependent on consoles power, just nobody had time to create the content.
It's also not possible to have trees on playstation, silly kids, Battlefield is just wrong, don't listen to that game.
Wow, I'm glad that someone who sits on the dev council came in here to let us know what's really going on behind the scenes. Thanks.
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Hairy Butter
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:11:00 -
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They wasted too much time trying to get a decent framerate, Unreal is a horrible engine for ps3. It was a horrible waste of developer manhours trying to make Dust more open world on ps3, It could possibly have evolved more as a lobby shooter but there was way too much compromise with the ps3, too much work developing for the system and too little developing for the world. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:11:00 -
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Not far at all.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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da GAND
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:43:00 -
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Hairy Butter wrote:They wasted too much time trying to get a decent framerate, Unreal is a horrible engine for ps3. It was a horrible waste of developer manhours trying to make Dust more open world on ps3, It could possibly have evolved more as a lobby shooter but there was way too much compromise with the ps3, too much work developing for the system and too little developing for the world.
I've seen that constantly mentioned, the slow development of the game with performance issues pretty much proves it.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:34:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have? Nothing is certain but one thing that does seem set in stone is the sp not transferring but that's fair play I say. Clearly jot making the same mistakes as releasing a beta and letting the beta players keep all that sp and stomp the sht out of thousands of newbs, I am guilty of this.
Please do not spread rumors; current intention is to transfer as much as legion would allow for.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:36:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have? And the other reality is that CCP has a contract with Sony that has about 7 years left. Sony announced a while ago that the ps3 will still be going for another ten years, I'd say 7 to be realistic as it does have games people will want to keep but eventually should be available to buy and install re formatted for the ps4 SOONGäó......... dust has some elements that would very badly affect eve players, some of which have waited years just to drop an OB. CCP cannot simply take that away so either dust will continue but turn fw heavy and go down that route OR eve legion will phase it out completely eventually. With CCP moving to a platform they are used to, they won't need that many people to develop legion, I think dust will carry on at a very very slow pace and may or may not be shut off in 7 years but CCP owns most of the data............... You can also add in how fking annoyed ccps shareholders would be to 100% completely scrap dust when they have enough data for the buildings of a game or the possibility of carrying it on in the future.
Again wrong; there is no outstanding contract with dust 514 and Sony outside of the PSN store requirements that requires ccp to mostly pay the bill for shelf space and submissions to QA processing.
There may be one for valkyrie but am not involved over there.
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da GAND
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have? Nothing is certain but one thing that does seem set in stone is the sp not transferring but that's fair play I say. Clearly jot making the same mistakes as releasing a beta and letting the beta players keep all that sp and stomp the sht out of thousands of newbs, I am guilty of this. Please do not spread rumors; current intention is to transfer as much as legion would allow for.
Ok good this and your other response about the whole contract thing clears things up a bit and sort of assures that CCP is going to do what they can to transfer our progress.
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Mojo XXXIII
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have? Nothing is certain but one thing that does seem set in stone is the sp not transferring but that's fair play I say. Clearly jot making the same mistakes as releasing a beta and letting the beta players keep all that sp and stomp the sht out of thousands of newbs, I am guilty of this. Please do not spread rumors; current intention is to transfer as much as legion would allow for.
I don't doubt their INTENTIONS but, the problem is, it's too early to know just how much that will be, or how any of it will apply to the new system, if at all.
I could be everything, it could be nothing.
And yet they're raising hopes, and allowing people to believe that their progress WILL carry over, when they don't even know for sure if they will be able to deliver.
Based upon the claims they made for Dust, and how they worked out, I think a little pessimism is justified. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:53:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have? Nothing is certain but one thing that does seem set in stone is the sp not transferring but that's fair play I say. Clearly jot making the same mistakes as releasing a beta and letting the beta players keep all that sp and stomp the sht out of thousands of newbs, I am guilty of this. Please do not spread rumors; current intention is to transfer as much as legion would allow for. I don't doubt their INTENTIONS but, the problem is, it's too early to know just how much that will be, or how any of it will apply to the new system, if at all. I could be everything, it could be nothing. And yet they're raising hopes, and allowing people to believe that their progress WILL carry over, when they don't even know for sure if they will be able to deliver. Based upon the claims they made for Dust, and how they worked out, I think a little pessimism is justified.
Skills I know shouldn't transfer because they're basically deleting the entire tree if they follow the new plan.
The SP progress that composes the tree is likely to be preserved. If it took you 4 months boosted to get where you where in dust 514 today, thats how far along you will be in legion; a boosted 4 month old character.
Before you go off on how unfair it would be for noobs. You have to remember we're currently simulating a game where there are players playing 1.5 years already and new players have to deal with that already. Legion will be no different to that regard.
As for other things like isk and items I would like to hear more from the community when it comes time to talk about it I know quite a few items may go away and would need advise on preserving best equal value.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:04:00 -
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I would like to also add based on the presentation; that likely this will feel like a progress nerf because while some of you guys are near top of the trees some of these trees now may be getting MUCH taller and there being more of them despite the merging and its going to feel weird when you're in the middle of the tree again.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I would like to also add based on the presentation; that likely this will feel like a progress nerf because while some of you guys are near top of the trees some of these trees now may be getting MUCH taller and there being more of them despite the merging and its going to feel weird when you're in the middle of the tree again.
I'm glad its not going to be a progressive unlock system.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:08:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I would like to also add based on the presentation; that likely this will feel like a progress nerf because while some of you guys are near top of the trees some of these trees now may be getting MUCH taller and there being more of them despite the merging and its going to feel weird when you're in the middle of the tree again. I'm glad its not going to be a progressive unlock system.
I think of it more like FFXI or FFXIV's system. Its a mix of bonuses, unlocks, and pathing (with the bonuses or unlocked accompanying them) and when you train something up it can be used elsewhere freely with the bonuses following it. I anticipate many of you will have plenty of feedback if we can get CCP Z to post the polished idea.
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The Jungian
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:16:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:You can't blame everything on the platform. Obviously even CCP thought they could create their "vision" on the PS3 at one point, otherwise they never would have started there in the first place. (and, if I had've read the whole thread before posting, I would've seen that somebody already posted this! D'oh!)
Correct me if Im wrong but CCP went to Microsoft first for a 360 release but MS turned them down. If that had happened (I may be going on a ledge here) but I think I would still be playing DUST on my 360.
Hitler decides to CANCEL DUST 514 on PS3???
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:17:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I would like to also add based on the presentation; that likely this will feel like a progress nerf because while some of you guys are near top of the trees some of these trees now may be getting MUCH taller and there being more of them despite the merging and its going to feel weird when you're in the middle of the tree again. I'm glad its not going to be a progressive unlock system. I think of it more like FFXI or FFXIV's system. Its a mix of bonuses, unlocks, and pathing (with the bonuses or unlocked accompanying them) and when you train something up it can be used elsewhere freely with the bonuses following it. The freedom to drill to unlock or the freedom to bonus out every option along the way will be up to you. Every time you fill up a skill 'bar' you get something. No more lvl 2 and lvl 4 doing nothing no more drop suit command 4-5 doing nothing. I anticipate many of you will have plenty of feedback if we can get CCP Z to post the polished idea. While Eve's system is nice with only 1 skill level I can recall being useless its not for the general audience of a shooter crowd remember CCP knows eve is hard to get into and wanted dust 514 to be an alternative to enjoy our universe legion should retain a similar goal lowering the entry bar a bit. and based what I have seen so far; we still by far the most deepest progression shooter out there still putting games like planetside 2 and loadout to shame in terms of character growth a far cry from some of the COD accusations I've seen.
That sounds good yeah.
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Mojo XXXIII
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:24:00 -
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The Jungian wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:You can't blame everything on the platform. Obviously even CCP thought they could create their "vision" on the PS3 at one point, otherwise they never would have started there in the first place. (and, if I had've read the whole thread before posting, I would've seen that somebody already posted this! D'oh!) Correct me if Im wrong but CCP went to Microsoft first for a 360 release but MS turned them down. If that had happened (I may be going on a ledge here) but I think I would still be playing DUST on my 360.
Maybe, I don't know, but substitute "console" for "PS3" and my point still stands.
(I only said PS3 because it's the topic of the thread, and the console they ended up starting on) |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:35:00 -
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Mojo XXXIII wrote:The Jungian wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:You can't blame everything on the platform. Obviously even CCP thought they could create their "vision" on the PS3 at one point, otherwise they never would have started there in the first place. (and, if I had've read the whole thread before posting, I would've seen that somebody already posted this! D'oh!) Correct me if Im wrong but CCP went to Microsoft first for a 360 release but MS turned them down. If that had happened (I may be going on a ledge here) but I think I would still be playing DUST on my 360. Maybe, I don't know, but substitute "console" for "PS3" and my point still stands. (I only said PS3 because it's the topic of the thread, and the console they ended up starting on)
MS rejected because CCP wanted to have cross play and their own servers.
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da GAND
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Posted - 2014.05.09 02:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:The Jungian wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:You can't blame everything on the platform. Obviously even CCP thought they could create their "vision" on the PS3 at one point, otherwise they never would have started there in the first place. (and, if I had've read the whole thread before posting, I would've seen that somebody already posted this! D'oh!) Correct me if Im wrong but CCP went to Microsoft first for a 360 release but MS turned them down. If that had happened (I may be going on a ledge here) but I think I would still be playing DUST on my 360. Maybe, I don't know, but substitute "console" for "PS3" and my point still stands. (I only said PS3 because it's the topic of the thread, and the console they ended up starting on) MS rejected because CCP wanted to have cross play and their own servers.
Oh well they only would've disappointed a lot more people at fanfest if we had people playing from the xbox 360 also.
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