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Mojo XXXIII
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:17:00 -
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You can't blame everything on the platform.
Obviously even CCP thought they could create their "vision" on the PS3 at one point, otherwise they never would have started there in the first place. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:53:00 -
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DCUO contains a pretty impressive array of gear, has a crafting system that allows you to (somewhat) tweak the stats of each individual piece, and allows players to customize their appearance (so they can "wear" one piece while gaining the actual stats from another).
Unless they're trying to emulate a particular existing comic book character or displaying a specific, matched set, it's doubtful you'll ever see two identical characters.
AND it's an MMORPG on top of that. |
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:19:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:By the time Legion is released, the PS3 will have been obsolete for a while.
By the time Legion is released, I'll probably be too old and arthritic to hold a controller anyway. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:25:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:They could have turned DUST into a competent and refined lobby shooter... That's about it, though.
Large-scale warfare with meaningful ties to EVE, an integrated economy, and all those other "big ideas" would probably only be shoddily implemented on the PS3.
Sure, CCP could attempt to push things to the absolute limit. But that would require them be extremely capable console game developers with intimate knowledge of every facet of the PS3. Which they are not and don't, in case people have not realized it yet.
All of CCP's "big ideas" would be difficult to achieve on ANY platform, even the PC.
There's a reason why nobody (that I'm aware of) has even attempted such a shared-universe between two different genres.
CCP has set themselves some pretty lofty goals that even the best, most experienced developers would have a difficult time implementing successfully, and CCP is neither the best, nor the most experienced.
They've already failed once on the PS3. You can blame the platform all you want, but CCP are the one's that claimed they would be able to deliver on that system, not us. They set their own bar, and failed to reach it.
Their ambitions exceeded their capabilities.
Will they be able to make their "vision" a reality this time around? Maybe.
It's a platform they're more accustomed to, and there have been some internal changes at CCP since they started Dust but, personally, as Legion progresses further through development, I fully expect many of their promises and goals to be adjusted, or abandoned altogether (just like we saw with Dust) as they (once again) realize that creating such an intricately shared univers is much, much easier said than done. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:46:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:They could have turned DUST into a competent and refined lobby shooter... That's about it, though.
Large-scale warfare with meaningful ties to EVE, an integrated economy, and all those other "big ideas" would probably only be shoddily implemented on the PS3.
Sure, CCP could attempt to push things to the absolute limit. But that would require them be extremely capable console game developers with intimate knowledge of every facet of the PS3. Which they are not and don't, in case people have not realized it yet. All of CCP's "big ideas" would be difficult to achieve on ANY platform, even the PC. There's a reason why nobody (that I'm aware of) has even attempted such a shared-universe between two different genres.CCP has set themselves some pretty lofty goals that even the best, most experienced developers would have a difficult time implementing successfully, and CCP is neither the best, nor the most experienced. They've already failed once on the PS3. You can blame the platform all you want, but CCP are the one's that claimed they would be able to deliver on that system, not us. They set their own bar, and failed to reach it. Their ambitions exceeded their capabilities. Will they be able to make their "vision" a reality this time around? Maybe. It's a platform they're more accustomed to, and there have been some internal changes at CCP since they started Dust but, personally, as Legion progresses further through development, I fully expect many of their promises and goals to be adjusted, or abandoned altogether (just like we saw with Dust) as they (once again) realize that creating such an intricately shared univers is much, much easier said than done. Actually, it seems that World of Tanks, World of Warplanes, and World of Warships is trying to achieve the same thing. The concept is still at its infancy, but it looks like the industry might see the birth of a new genre. The genre of the cross-game universe.
Okay, so one company is attempting it with three very similar games (basically the same genre - vehicular warfare - with the only real difference being the types of vehicles).
Not exactly the same thing as CCP is attempting, with two completely different genres, with actions in each significantly affecting the other, with an extensive shared economy between them.
I do applaud CCP's desire to be innovative, especially in a market saturated with copy/paste franchises like COD.
I will always support and encourage any attempt to "break the mould" and try do things bigger and better, which is why I support games like MAG and Dust but, after how they CCP handle Dust's development, I'm just not convinced that they're up to the task.
I HOPE the prove me wrong, but I just don't BELIEVE that they will. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:07:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:They could have turned DUST into a competent and refined lobby shooter... That's about it, though.
Large-scale warfare with meaningful ties to EVE, an integrated economy, and all those other "big ideas" would probably only be shoddily implemented on the PS3.
Sure, CCP could attempt to push things to the absolute limit. But that would require them be extremely capable console game developers with intimate knowledge of every facet of the PS3. Which they are not and don't, in case people have not realized it yet. All of CCP's "big ideas" would be difficult to achieve on ANY platform, even the PC. There's a reason why nobody (that I'm aware of) has even attempted such a shared-universe between two different genres.CCP has set themselves some pretty lofty goals that even the best, most experienced developers would have a difficult time implementing successfully, and CCP is neither the best, nor the most experienced. They've already failed once on the PS3. You can blame the platform all you want, but CCP are the one's that claimed they would be able to deliver on that system, not us. They set their own bar, and failed to reach it. Their ambitions exceeded their capabilities. Will they be able to make their "vision" a reality this time around? Maybe. It's a platform they're more accustomed to, and there have been some internal changes at CCP since they started Dust but, personally, as Legion progresses further through development, I fully expect many of their promises and goals to be adjusted, or abandoned altogether (just like we saw with Dust) as they (once again) realize that creating such an intricately shared univers is much, much easier said than done. Actually, it seems that World of Tanks, World of Warplanes, and World of Warships is trying to achieve the same thing. The concept is still at its infancy, but it looks like the industry might see the birth of a new genre. The genre of the cross-game universe. Okay, so one company is attempting it with three very similar games (basically the same genre - vehicular warfare - with the only real difference being the types of vehicles). Not exactly the same thing as CCP is attempting, with two completely different genres, with actions in each significantly affecting the other, with an extensive shared economy between them. I do applaud CCP's desire to be innovative, especially in a market saturated with copy/paste franchises like COD. I will always support and encourage any attempt to "break the mould" and try do things bigger and better, which is why I support games like MAG and Dust but, after seeing how CCP handled Dust's development, I'm just not convinced that they're up to the task. I HOPE the prove me wrong, but I just don't BELIEVE that they will. Perhaps not, but they have a much better chance on PC than on any console. Also, it's three games.
You're right, three games, my bad.
Which just makes their task that much more difficult.
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:da GAND wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:But I bought aurum through choice and had no issue with it either. The only issue I have is bpos but Im not going to cry over pocket change. They aren't gonna transfer any of our assets? Just our characters with the SP they have? Nothing is certain but one thing that does seem set in stone is the sp not transferring but that's fair play I say. Clearly jot making the same mistakes as releasing a beta and letting the beta players keep all that sp and stomp the sht out of thousands of newbs, I am guilty of this. Please do not spread rumors; current intention is to transfer as much as legion would allow for.
I don't doubt their INTENTIONS but, the problem is, it's too early to know just how much that will be, or how any of it will apply to the new system, if at all.
I could be everything, it could be nothing.
And yet they're raising hopes, and allowing people to believe that their progress WILL carry over, when they don't even know for sure if they will be able to deliver.
Based upon the claims they made for Dust, and how they worked out, I think a little pessimism is justified. |
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:24:00 -
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The Jungian wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:You can't blame everything on the platform. Obviously even CCP thought they could create their "vision" on the PS3 at one point, otherwise they never would have started there in the first place. (and, if I had've read the whole thread before posting, I would've seen that somebody already posted this! D'oh!)  Correct me if Im wrong but CCP went to Microsoft first for a 360 release but MS turned them down. If that had happened (I may be going on a ledge here) but I think I would still be playing DUST on my 360.
Maybe, I don't know, but substitute "console" for "PS3" and my point still stands.
(I only said PS3 because it's the topic of the thread, and the console they ended up starting on) |
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