Just to interject here....

Out of all of the developers for all time on the Playstations throughout the years, Konami (KECJ) I think are one of the few companies to truly understand the nuances of the Playstations architecture over the years.

On each system, the Metal Gear Solid games have always been a cut above the rest in terms of graphics, frame rates and basically what they were able to do. This is not only my opinion but also a well discussed topic throughout the gaming world.

Not many dev teams have the time nor the experience with the Playstation to achieve that sort of feat.

Moving to the PC platform should be a lot easier for CCP. They have worked on the PC for over ten years. Granted they have been working with EVE and not an FPS however the Unreal engines have been worked on by many many developers so I imagine getting the people with the right skills is a lot easier comparatively.

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I also believe this is why the new gen consoles are now running tech more comparable with the PC now as devs can make a game for one platform and easily adapt it to others.

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Yes I am a MGS fan so I might be a little bias :P

Just to interject here....

Out of all of the developers for all time on the Playstations throughout the years, Konami (KECJ) I think are one of the few companies to truly understand the nuances of the Playstations architecture over the years.

On each system, the Metal Gear Solid games have always been a cut above the rest in terms of graphics, frame rates and basically what they were able to do. This is not only my opinion but also a well discussed topic throughout the gaming world.

Not many dev teams have the time nor the experience with the Playstation to achieve that sort of feat.

Moving to the PC platform should be a lot easier for CCP. They have worked on the PC for over ten years. Granted they have been working with EVE and not an FPS however the Unreal engines have been worked on by many many developers so I imagine getting the people with the right skills is a lot easier comparatively.

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I also believe this is why the new gen consoles are now running tech more comparable with the PC now as devs can make a game for one platform and easily adapt it to others.

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Yes I am a MGS fan so I might be a little bias :P

Zipper the creater of Mag knew how to code for the PS3 plus they built an engine from the ground up specifically
for the PS3. RockStar mastered rendering for the PS3. Meaning alot if the open world doesn't pop up.
They hide it with fog so when You get close to an object that's far away.
It appears gradually.

That's why MAG vets like myself laugh at CCP when they say the hardware is limited. To be honest CCP
is the only developer besides Bethesda that complain about coding for the PS3.

In short if CCP wanted large scale battles they could. They chose not to
And went back to PC cuz that's what they know.

Bethesda actually had a reason in that character save files grew too large, in fact my Skyrim file grew to 22mg and the game just could not run.

ZIPPER knew how to regionalize players, and the did not try to "carry" high latency players as CCP does.

CCP's model/method is broken and a PC cannot fix latency. Adding programming schemes that penalise players with good internet connections to allow bad connections is just plain stupid.

He he he he well if CCP is serious about supporting Dust for awhile longer then maybe they should hire Zipper to help the people left working on stuff for Dust since most of the team in Shanghai is probably working on Legion.

See that's the thing CCP doesn't want to spend a dime more developing for Dust.
They want to move in and abandon the game.

It's not the hardware it's CCP, they can't code for the PS3.
Eve is point and click style MMO, that's what CCP is good at..

No disrespect but console game FPS is way out of thier league.

99% of ccps player base isn't in dust.........

If you think this cute little dust fiasco will even matter a year from now then you are very deluded.

Again, dust makes up about 1-2% of ccps player base. Day one of legion will literally be about 10 times+ more successful that this pos generic fps that has some eve lore in it.

Eve legion for the win, git gud scrubs.

Lol calm down I was just wondering how much more CCP could've done with the ps3, I wasn't saying that going to PC was a bad idea. I even said at the beginning of the thread that I support Legion.

MAG died for a reason... new content was very difficult to create at that scale. Just imagine the kind of things they had to do to make Domination work.

It was a great game though, and props to the Zipper devs for making it work. Can't expect CCP to do the same though.

They have pretty much admitted by moving to the PC instead of the PS4 that they are not console developers. Even Valkyrie started on the PC first. I think they intend to emulate the same model for Legion.

How far could they have theoretically gone on the PS3? With enough time and money, I bet pretty far.
How far could they have practically gone on the PS3? Clearly not much further.

I'll be playing dust until it dies though.

I can hardly find a reason to play, I haven't played since last Friday. I was hardly having any fun playing the three modes over and over again. But if CCP is actually serious about supporting Dust and developing it a bit more then I might play it even if it's one new mode. Or if they make interesting changes to any of the modes we have I'd be willing to try it out a bit. I have my passive SP going so it's not like I'm neglecting my character.

Edit: I actually played a few days ago and played 3 battles with my buddy in RL and some of my fellow corp members.

Look at destiny, the version on the ps3 is not a dumbed down version of next gen. It will have all the same content as the ps4, but it won't be as pretty. Bungie conferred this.

When I play its just scouts 514 and its just boring as fk but my some of my corp buddies will be coming to legion and some of us play eve, we'll be in all 3 games until/if dust dies but they have a fairly long bit left on their contract with Sony.

If anyone wants to join Kleenex then feel free. We are not going anywhere.

No offense, I see what you're saying, but your comparing very different teams with very different experience and talents. What Mag did with its large battles on a console is very much praiseworthy because of its accomplishment. Does this prove that the PS3 is technically proficient to pull it off? Sure, but not every team is going to be able to pull off such an achievement. Let's not make this into a new industry standard all who follow must measure up against.

CCP's crowning achievements, hosting an MMO with tens of thousands of players on a single-shard server, a player-driven economy, was an impressive feat in its own right. Dust was supposed to be a way of interacting with that on a completely different level.

99% of ccps player base isn't in dust.........

If you think this cute little dust fiasco will even matter a year from now then you are very deluded.

Again, dust makes up about 1-2% of ccps player base. Day one of legion will literally be about 10 times+ more successful that this pos generic fps that has some eve lore in it.

Kisses and hugs?

It will matter if they try to develop for a console. Gamers don't forget when a
Dev/Publisher screws them over. Just ask EA :)

Pretty much, it's not that's limited, the Apollo Landing Craft was a limited computer.
It's more that is outclassed.

Some vehicles still run very well, sometimes even better on a carboretuer than fuel injection.
But as vehicles get faster, you get diminishing returns, not because it's limited, but because it is outdated.

When you talk about computers, very few are limited in their potential nowadays. As for my statement concerning The Last of Us, considering the 2 consoles were released roughly the same time with similar technology, the fact it still has more juice than an Xbox 360 is an ode to it's 'limited' hardware

I say it comes down to knowing how to code the game i have been saying this for a while they could have either bought these assets and reskinned it for dust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_t_HfLSBs the developer went out of business or they could have hired this studio which was another indie to do the game for them. This is the game play we should have had plz watch this video and it was admitted by several devs that they drew inspiration from this game


for those of you who think that there are a lot of fittings Ghost recon Future Soldier has 10 million different combinations granted it is just 6 on 6 on smaller way more detailed maps though however they are smaller but 3rd person requires more processing power because you have to render a player model.

CCP's problem was there development team consisted of noobs why anyone thinks legion will be any better is mindboggling unless they are going to use the same engine that EVE runs on and they hire a brand new dev team not an executive producer i am talking about programmers who know how to optimize code so that there games can run on computers that aren't built to run the cry engine

All of CCP's "big ideas" would be difficult to achieve on ANY platform, even the PC.

There's a reason why nobody (that I'm aware of) has even attempted such a shared-universe between two different genres.

CCP has set themselves some pretty lofty goals that even the best, most experienced developers would have a difficult time implementing successfully, and CCP is neither the best, nor the most experienced.

They've already failed once on the PS3. You can blame the platform all you want, but CCP are the one's that claimed they would be able to deliver on that system, not us. They set their own bar, and failed to reach it.

Their ambitions exceeded their capabilities.

Will they be able to make their "vision" a reality this time around? Maybe.

It's a platform they're more accustomed to, and there have been some internal changes at CCP since they started Dust but, personally, as Legion progresses further through development, I fully expect many of their promises and goals to be adjusted, or abandoned altogether (just like we saw with Dust) as they (once again) realize that creating such an intricately shared univers is much, much easier said than done.

...
like EA's Earth & Beyond ....

AHrrrm, Westwood studios!

Published by EA.

Bought by EA specifically for that game to compete against Eve Online...

It's not the hardware it's CCP, they can't code for the PS3.
Eve is point and click style MMO, that's what CCP is good at..

No disrespect but console game FPS is way out of thier league.

If they make a ps4 version then ya the console only guys here that have been playing the game for so long will try to convince as many people as possible that it's not gonna be a great game or to not trust CCP and whatever else they'll say to get people to not play Legion on the ps4.

That's exactly what will happen CCP will have to milk the Eve community have them be the fools.