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BIind Shot
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:24:00 -
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3 complex damage mods, 3 proficiency proto swarms vs 2 complex 1 enhanced heavy repair with level 3 in repair proficiency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v7AwrgVwNA&feature=youtu.be
and he said unto them, "Bring ye all your trolls, that they shall feed".
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
Proficiency V.
1333
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:25:00 -
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Not gunna watch right this sec, I already know that broken reprugar
Dont be MADrugar
I <3 girl gamers
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
394
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:26:00 -
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Working as intended.
Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor
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Do you even lift?
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Alex-P-Keaton Kramer
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:26:00 -
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ok so?
i like to go to craigslist and look at the personal ad's transexuals put up
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21yrOld Knight
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
840
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:27:00 -
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Oh Damn!
Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous
General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous
Who else thinks I'm Famous?
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BIind Shot
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
186
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:29:00 -
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Alex-P-Keaton Kramer wrote:
He's just sitting there taking no evasive action what so ever.. you don't think that's a little op?
and he said unto them, "Bring ye all your trolls, that they shall feed".
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2613
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:30:00 -
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Gunnlogis are so UP :( |
Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
394
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:34:00 -
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BIind Shot wrote:Alex-P-Keaton Kramer wrote: He's just sitting there taking no evasive action what so ever.. you don't think that's a little op?
More than a little.
Unfortunately CCP has no ***** to give.
Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor
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Do you even lift?
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
394
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:35:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Gunnlogis are so UP :(
What's really sickening is that the same swarmer would have wrecked a shield tank in relatively short order, assuming all else remained the same (no evasive action, etc).
And Swarms are supposed to be STRONGER against armor !!1!11!!11!
Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor
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Do you even lift?
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
637
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:39:00 -
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Yeah, having run this build myself on multiple occasions it's absolutely a problem. Right now a lot of the changes that went into vehicles going into 1.7 were to make them more analogous in X, Y, and Z ways to the way Dropship modules and balance were geared. ie. Much higher shield regen percentage and always on repairers but at least when it comes to Armor Repairers they repair SIGNIFICANTLY more as a function of total health of the vehicle compared to their dropsuit counterparts.
Right now I'd easily argue that Shield Regen rates are too high as a whole - the delay for when regen starts to kick up is too short - and individual armor repairers (across both Light and Heavy Reps.) heal far too much as a percentage of overall HP values of the vehicle. I'd urge for dissenters to look in the long term especially with the eventual return of logistics vehicle modules to the game, right now there's very little point in them with the current incarnation of vehicles as they repair their health pools ridiculously quickly with 0 assistance required.
Saga v. Methana Balance
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9950
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:40:00 -
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Lol that's why I don't use those broken as ****.
Alpha damage would have wrecked that HAV but consisted damage can just be ignored.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1513
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:41:00 -
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Ok, obviously it's broken and needs fixed and I'm not trying to defend it, but have you tried:
Similarly tiered forgeguns? What about Proto Min Commando w/ swarms? Rail/Missile Tanks? Teamwork?
Unrelated to the issue at hand, in all honestly, I'm really against a single player, no matter how dedicated to AV, being able to take on a fully proto-ed tank easily. Eventually yes, a dedicated AV should kill it eventually if not engaged or fled from, but not easily.
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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Guiltless D667
26
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:43:00 -
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In perfect conditions one set of proto swarms cant kill this maddy tank,maybe 2 but not one:CONFIRMED
forgeguns next please
A Strange Game.
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Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
245
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:49:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Ok, obviously it's broken and needs fixed and I'm not trying to defend it, but have you tried:
Similarly tiered forgeguns? What about Proto Min Commando w/ swarms? Rail/Missile Tanks? Teamwork?
Unrelated to the issue at hand, in all honestly, I'm really against a single player, no matter how dedicated to AV, being able to take on a fully proto-ed tank easily. Eventually yes, a dedicated AV should kill it eventually if not engaged or fled from, but not easily.
I like this post. I agree a single AV should not be able to kill a Tank but I like to think that a single AV player should be a thorn in his side if he is spec into AVs
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Foundation Seldon
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
637
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:54:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Ok, obviously it's broken and needs fixed and I'm not trying to defend it, but have you tried:
Similarly tiered forgeguns? What about Proto Min Commando w/ swarms? Rail/Missile Tanks? Teamwork?
Unrelated to the issue at hand, in all honestly, I'm really against a single player, no matter how dedicated to AV, being able to take on a fully proto-ed tank easily. Eventually yes, a dedicated AV should kill it eventually if not engaged or fled from, but not easily.
This has nothing to do with killing though. Do you agree, at the very least, that AV should be considered a threat to a vehicle at any point? The triple rep maddy all but IGNORES anything but organized action made by at least half a squad of AV or another tank entirely and I find that unreasonable given that the Tanker himself is a solo, infantry slaughtering, death machine. If Proto AV can't even force a retreat then why the hell bother? Hook up a double damage modded sica and stop wasting your time.
Saga v. Methana Balance
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Arcturis Vanguard
Red Star.
EoN.
90
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:04:00 -
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Well it does seem a little OP, doesn't it?
The only thing I have to say is that Xhedos Prime and I absolutely destroyed over 60 tanks today. Just two dudes, one LAV and proto AV. Throw AV grenades, then expel 1-4 assault forges depending of tankers build and reaction. Rinse and repeat.
The real question is should a single AV personnel destroy a tank? Maybe. I say maybe in regards to an AV specialist (full proficiency) against a militia tank. A single AV specialist should be able to inflict enough damage to make any tanker rethink his location and gtfo or risk losing serious isk.
What that video shows is that a triple passive rep tank can have immunity and kill a single AV specialist without a single worry.
Amarr Heavy_
Amarr Assault_
Caldari Scout
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LittleCuteBunny
438
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:05:00 -
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Maddies are supposed to be stand and deliver and 1 AV player shouldn't solo a tank. Damage over time does a better job against active tanks and burst damage is better against passive tanks.
Retired.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
770
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:06:00 -
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Swarms are an assistant AV. Who are you assisting?
Also, if there had been 2 people, it would have gone from pestering to complete annihilation. That's a rather large toggle to be honest.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
246
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:07:00 -
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LittleCuteBunny wrote:Maddies are supposed to be stand and deliver and 1 AV player shouldn't solo a tank. Damage over time does a better job against active tanks and burst damage is better against passive tanks.
Out of curiousity...
What do you mean Active Tanks, and passive Tanks? And What do you mean Damage over time, and burst damage?
(when you describe these can you include the weapon as well please to clarify a little more.) |
Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
246
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:08:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Swarms are an assistant AV. Who are you assisting?
What makes you think Swarms are Assistant AV? It does not say that in the description of the weapon. |
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
770
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:09:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:LittleCuteBunny wrote:Maddies are supposed to be stand and deliver and 1 AV player shouldn't solo a tank. Damage over time does a better job against active tanks and burst damage is better against passive tanks.
Out of curiousity... What do you mean Active Tanks, and passive Tanks? And What do you mean Damage over time, and burst damage? (when you describe these can you include the weapon as well please to clarify a little more.)
Active, hardeners, passive repairs.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
246
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:10:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Minor Treat wrote:LittleCuteBunny wrote:Maddies are supposed to be stand and deliver and 1 AV player shouldn't solo a tank. Damage over time does a better job against active tanks and burst damage is better against passive tanks.
Out of curiousity... What do you mean Active Tanks, and passive Tanks? And What do you mean Damage over time, and burst damage? (when you describe these can you include the weapon as well please to clarify a little more.) Active, hardeners, passive repairs.
What about the burst damage and the damage over time?
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
506
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:11:00 -
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Put that Swarm Launcher on Minmando (skill lv5) with 3 dmg mods and prof 5 and that Maddy doesn't stand a chance. I know from experience.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2372
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:11:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:
Unrelated to the issue at hand, in all honestly, I'm really against a single player, no matter how dedicated to AV, being able to take on a fully proto-ed tank easily. Eventually yes, a dedicated AV should kill it eventually if not engaged or fled from, but not easily.
Why is that? Why should it be so much easier for a tank to kill AV than it is for AV to kill a tank? The TTK of the large blaster on a proto Cal Sentinel is less than the charge time of a max-skilled Assault FG, while the FG requires at least a full clip to kill the tank, more if there's even a second or two of down time in between firing one shot and charging the next.
A fully proto Cal Sentinel is 173k ISK.
Sentinel ck.0 57,690
Complex Heavy Damage Modifier 5,595
Complex Heavy Damage Modifier 5,595
Complex Heavy Damage Modifier 5,595
Complex Shield Energizer 5,925
Basic Armor Repairer 1,275
Ishukone Assault Forge Gun 47,220
Kaalakiota Magsec SMG 21,240
Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade 23,610
ISK Estimated Cost: ~ 173,745
A proto module Blaster Madrugar is 229k ISK. (note: this fit has 1CPU left over- no room for a nicer turret)
'AI-102' Madrugar 97,500
Complex Heavy Armor Repairer 39,465
Complex Heavy Armor Repairer 39,465
80GJ Blaster 24,000
Enhanced Heavy Armor Repairer 24,105
Basic Fuel Injector 4,500
ISK Estimated Cost: ~ 229,035
They're the same number of people. There's only a 50k ISK difference in cost between their gear. Again, why should it be easier for the tank to kill the AVer than for the AVer to kill the tank? If you have a well-reasoned justification, I'm all ears.
Nerdier than thou
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
216
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:13:00 -
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Tanks don't belong on the battlefield as they are unless swarms, forges are buffed with a significant amount of bass damaged and the extra grenade slot is given back. I don't give a **** if we lose the 1 percent players as the are the ones ruining fun matches in ambush and domination, drop ships are fine to me though.
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9952
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:14:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:LittleCuteBunny wrote:Maddies are supposed to be stand and deliver and 1 AV player shouldn't solo a tank. Damage over time does a better job against active tanks and burst damage is better against passive tanks.
Out of curiousity... What do you mean Active Tanks, and passive Tanks? And What do you mean Damage over time, and burst damage? (when you describe these can you include the weapon as well please to clarify a little more.)
An Active Tank is Tanking type that focuses on active player imput, choosing to activate modules when they are needed for brief instances of powerful module effects.
Passive Tanking is using modules that apply static or passive buffs to a vehicle to allow it to perform at a stable level all the time.
E.G- An Active tanked Madrugar used Hardeners, a passive tanked Madrugar uses these Heavy Repair Units.
Damage over time is Damage that takes a set duration to apply I suppose DPS weapons fall into this category, whereas, burst, or Alpha as I consider it, apply massive amount of damage per strike.
Now the weakness of the Triple Rep Madrugar is Alpha damage. damage that is applied massively in singlular strikes per round, like Forgeguns and Railguns.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
770
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:16:00 -
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Minor Treat wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Swarms are an assistant AV. Who are you assisting? What makes you think Swarms are Assistant AV? It does not say that in the description of the weapon.
Light weaponry that any class can equip. That's like asking where it says a scrambler pistol is an assistant weapon. It says sidearm, but not assistant.
Needless to say anyone who actually knows how to use the weapons and WHEN to use them can absolutely destroy. People who use the wrong weapon for the wrong time are the ones who complain the most.
Triple repair tanks are the easiest thing in the world to solo. Here's a hint. It's not a tank, nor is it swarms.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Minor Treat
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
246
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:22:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Swarms are an assistant AV. Who are you assisting? What makes you think Swarms are Assistant AV? It does not say that in the description of the weapon. Light weaponry that any class can equip. That's like asking where it says a scrambler pistol is an assistant weapon. It says sidearm, but not assistant. Needless to say anyone who actually knows how to use the weapons and WHEN to use them can absolutely destroy. People who use the wrong weapon for the wrong time are the ones who complain the most. Triple repair tanks are the easiest thing in the world to solo. Here's a hint. It's not a tank, nor is it swarms.
Well technically a pistol is what you call a sidearm because it on your side. I'm a marine and doesn't make any sense to call a weapon a assistant weapon.
As for when weapons are used. Yes you are right, if used correctly the weapon should be devastating as each make and model of every modern weapon is designed for certain purposes.
But my question revolved around "assistant weapons"
So you would classify as rifle as a "assistant weapon" given its a light weapon. how does a rifle assist?
Edit:
I'm not trying to make you feel uncomfortable, I'm just trying to understand your logic and what your trying to say. |
Arcturis Vanguard
Red Star.
EoN.
91
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:27:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Swarms are an assistant AV. Who are you assisting? What makes you think Swarms are Assistant AV? It does not say that in the description of the weapon. Light weaponry that any class can equip. That's like asking where it says a scrambler pistol is an assistant weapon. It says sidearm, but not assistant. Needless to say anyone who actually knows how to use the weapons and WHEN to use them can absolutely destroy. People who use the wrong weapon for the wrong time are the ones who complain the most. Triple repair tanks are the easiest thing in the world to solo. Here's a hint. It's not a tank, nor is it swarms.
If your referring to a forge gun you are still mistaken. I'm full proficiency on an amarr sent with two complex damage mods and the video is much similar to what I experience. I take out more armor then the prof 3 swarms, but that build cannot destroy the maddy (not referring to critical hits).
Amarr Heavy_
Amarr Assault_
Caldari Scout
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2373
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:30:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Minor Treat wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Swarms are an assistant AV. Who are you assisting? What makes you think Swarms are Assistant AV? It does not say that in the description of the weapon. Light weaponry that any class can equip. That's like asking where it says a scrambler pistol is an assistant weapon. It says sidearm, but not assistant. Needless to say anyone who actually knows how to use the weapons and WHEN to use them can absolutely destroy. People who use the wrong weapon for the wrong time are the ones who complain the most. Triple repair tanks are the easiest thing in the world to solo. Here's a hint. It's not a tank, nor is it swarms. If your referring to a forge gun you are still mistaken. I'm full proficiency on an amarr sent with two complex damage mods and the video is much similar to what I experience. I take out more armor then the prof 3 swarms, but that build cannot destroy the maddy (not referring to critical hits).
He's referring to REs. Flux/AV nade/swarm to drop shields, blow triple REs, -> dead tank, 0 rep cycles.
However, no even mildly competent tanker is going to sit still long enough for me to slap three remotes lethargically on it. Certainly, some do, but the competent ones don't.
Nerdier than thou
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