Grrr, GOONS!

Why can't you just let me have my snappy closer?

Fully agree with OP. +1

Hilmar stated recently that they will be focussing on making Dust a great FPS. I think we need to remind him that one of Dust 514s biggest selling point is the fact that it is (supposed to be) happening in New Eden.

I would suggest adding full market interaction but I feel CCP are too scared to do anything involving ISK in case they destabilise EVEs economy. What is left? Interactive PVE? Having Mercs fulfil Capsuleer contracts i.e. clearing out P.I. Installations of Rogue Drones.

How much more "New Stuff" do we have to go through until we can expect such an expansion. They still have to fill out the vehicle tree and add some new dropsuits but do we really have to wait through all of that for meaningful gameplay?

TEST and the Goons of one accord? now you've gone and done it, CCP.

TEST and the Goons of one accord? now you've gone and done it, CCP.

A sandbox without sand? totally accurate. The bigger issue is what everyone keeps mentioning regarding how the game simply doesn't feel like New Eden.

1)The MMO aspect of Dust boils down to talking to people in chat rooms. We cant even navigate the local channels. Where are the open social areas where New Eden's finest are famous for backroom deals, betrayal, politics and all the other skullduggery? At the very least give us something to do besides login and wait for a match to start in the lobby.

2) And as one poster mentioned, why the hell do defenders get nuetral maps when defending their own districts? Why cant we explore our land or tour corp HQ? Give players a reason to want to own a sandcastle.

3) Why havent you given players the tools to create their own content yet? bounties anyone? player conflict defines MMOs and when EVE/Dust corps cant create contracts, train their players or properly manage their alliances/corps and the ability to avoid war by district locking is the norm something is amiss.

An open EVE-DUST market connection wouldn't hurt EVE's economy. It would wreck DUST's, though. All I have to do is put up a sell order of a militia scrambler rifle for 100m or so and have my EVE character buy it. Proto all day every day.

[quote=Akdhar Saif]Fully agree with OP. +1

Hilmar stated recently that they will be focussing on making Dust a great FPS. I think we need to remind him that one of Dust 514s biggest selling point is the fact that it is (supposed to be) happening in New Eden.

I would suggest adding full market interaction but I feel CCP are too scared to do anything involving ISK in case they destabilise EVEs economy. What is left? Interactive PVE? Having Mercs fulfil Capsuleer contracts i.e. clearing out P.I. Installations of Rogue Drones.

How much more "New Stuff" do we have to go through until we can expect such an expansion. They still have to fill out the vehicle tree and add some new dropsuits but do we really have to wait through all of that for meaningful gameplay?

TEST and the Goons of one accord? now you've gone and done it, CCP.

go 2 SA forums, EVE forums or read TM.com or even EN24. the contempt for dust is thick enough to cut with a knife. conversely, people are very excited about EVE valkyrie so it seems ur learning something about quality and delivering on promises, CCP.

People were really excited about DUST when it was in development too. CCP does not learn. Valkyrie will fail to deliver on it's promises, and disappoint everyone.

I am unsure a lot of forethought goes into CCP decisions. Valkyrie went from "just a little experiment we were messing with and aren't making into a game" to an upcoming product because they won an award at E3 for showing it off.

Then find a better way to deliver it to your intended which who I assume is CCP rather than preaching to the choir
Not to say everyone should just shut up about it forever but at this point in the game threads like these stand out more as someones turn to feel important rather than as something useful and Im sure something a little more drastic like a bunch of people loudly demanding to know what their plans are in person at fanfest or something without accepting the usual market BS answers would have impact than the drop in the bucket we are reading here

Short version, the forum knows whats up, its time to go big or go home

So, Samaheil, you and I might be on opposite sides of the fence, but we're still both on the same page.

2) Make a whole string of goddamn brilliant design decisions to reconcile the two sides

The 800lb gorilla in the room which you didn't really address is the market this game is meant to target.

Yes traditional gamers tend to play many genres; I play, MMOs, FPSs and racing games but when we're talking the big numbers the FPS crowd is, to a large degree, a different set of players than the MMO/sandbox crowd.

They demand radically different things. SP, while familiar to MMO players is an anathema to FPS purists. Map design is a central tenet of FPS design but a throwaway afterthought in Dust. There is a long list of similar issues.

Dust either needs to:
1) Choose between these two groups; or
2) Make a whole string of goddamn brilliant design decisions to reconcile the two sides

I would argue that if CCP did manage to implement a real, meaningful connection that had an influence in New Eden, it would qualify as a brilliant design decision.

We already have a platform where console FPS players are interacting with PC gamers in internet spaceships... its already an awesome gimmick, but as of right now that interaction is too limited to be marketable and allow Dust to succeed.

With that said, CCP doesn't have the resources to create an AAA shooter that could truly compete with the likes of Battlefield or Call of Duty. On the other hand, Eve is an undeniable success on the MMO market. If CCP has to choose between making Dust a better FPS or a better MMO, I really hope they stick with what they're good at.

Things worth saying, are sometimes worth saying again with emphasis. It's all too easy for the important issues to be drowned out by the mundane and trivial crises of everyday life.

4. Create a Dust 514 Test environment on SiSi and release a downloadable test client for the PS3 to allow players to test out changes much like they are doneso for EVE Online.

1.) Dust players need to be able to buy and sell on the market with an intrinsic scarcity of goods that inspires trade between mercenaries and between mercenaries and capsuleers.
2.) Dust players need to be able to fulfill contracts from Capsuleers that affect the political landscape of Nullsec, the territorial balance of Faction Warfare, and/or the industrial engine of Highsec in a way that is predictable enough to be strategically applied and countered.
3.) Dust players need to be fully integrated into the corp/alliance structure of eve with a full API, robust communication, and a proper mirroring of roles.