I know full well that those guys won't be too happy, but more importantly, the people that take a Logi suit and twist it into something it shouldnt be able to do will be livid.
The last thing I want is a nerf to logis, real logis. I couldn't care less if the 'Slayer Logis' get nerfed to hell because of this. They deserve it, in the same way that real logis deserve to not be nerfed because other people are exploiting the same suit that that use.
This would allow people that use the suit for equipment to continue doing so, while getting rid of the 'OP logis'.

We aint op, your skill is up......

refer to CCP's own description of the suits: (http://dust514.com/universe/dropsuits/)

Assault: The Assault dropsuit is a versatile frontline combat suit that combines excellent protection, good mobility, and sufficient versatility for mission-specific alterations. Assault dropsuits are intended for standard combat operations or those in which objectives are likely to change at a momentGÇÖs notice. Able to carry anything from small arms and explosives to heavy anti-vehicle munitions and deployable support gear, this is the most adaptable suit on the battlefield.

Logistics: The Logistics dropsuit is outfitted with the latest in diagnostic technology, to help the wearer maintain the condition and efficiency of squad-mates and their equipment. A soldier in a logistics dropsuit can greatly improve the overall effectiveness of his group, and fills a vital tactical role in small-unit operations and full-scale warfare by providing both medical and mechanical support.


Now we'll look at the proto suit variants for each as this represents the 'end game' builds: (Highs/Lows/Equip)

Assault:
Gk0 - 3/4/1, 60pg/300 cpu. 120/210 EHP =330
Ck0 -4/3/1, 60pg/300 cpu. 210/120 EHP = 330
Mk0 - 5/2/1, 64 pg/320 cpu. 150/135 EHP = 285
Ak0 - 3/3/1, 70pg/350cpu 180/180 EHP = 360

Logistics:
Gk0 -3/5/4, 78pg/390cpu. 90/180 = 270 EHP
Ck0 - 5/4/3, 78pg/350 cpu. 180/90 = 270 EHP
Mk0 - 4/4/4, 78pg/390 cpu. 90/150 = 240 EHP
Ak0 - 3/4/3, 72pg/390 cpu. 120/180 = 300 EHP



Here's what I don't understand...No where in CCP description of the Logi does it say, adapted for optimal slaying and WP production. And the assault, "most adaptable suit on the field", are you ******* kidding me?

My beef is that logis are not required to fill equip slots, so if you don't fill the slots....3 out of the 4 logi suits have more total Highs and Lows than the assault variants, with a significant boost to pg and cpu to fit proto mods/weaps/grenades.

The logistics role by definition is not a slayer build, but due to CCP's infinite wisdom they have allowed the base suit to be more adept at the 'slayer' role than the assault variant.

Now, people will argue that oh logis don't get a side-arm so its fair. Right, because when I watch the battlefeed it always says "Ishukone assault submachine gun", you hardly ever see "Duvolle assault rifle". SMH. The sidearm argument is played out.

Yes the assault variants have more base EHP but its really not that significant unless you are Amarr Assault or Min Logi, as those two lie on the ends of the spectrum.


Here's my QQ, Why does a logi have the ability to 'change' roles from logistics, to assault, to scout, to tank....when no other class especially the class that boasts the "most adaptable suit on the battlefield" is unable to cross into another role?

And to respond to Jack Mcready.....take the equip slot from the Minmatar assault, give me another low slow and I'll be happy as a pig in ****. The equip slot on an assault is not necessary, if I am supposed to slay, then let me slay. If I am supposed to provide "medical and mechanical" support, then give me 4 equip slots!

refer to CCP's own description of the suits: (http://dust514.com/universe/dropsuits/)

Assault: The Assault dropsuit is a versatile frontline combat suit that combines excellent protection, good mobility, and sufficient versatility for mission-specific alterations. Assault dropsuits are intended for standard combat operations or those in which objectives are likely to change at a momentGÇÖs notice. Able to carry anything from small arms and explosives to heavy anti-vehicle munitions and deployable support gear, this is the most adaptable suit on the battlefield.

Logistics: The Logistics dropsuit is outfitted with the latest in diagnostic technology, to help the wearer maintain the condition and efficiency of squad-mates and their equipment. A soldier in a logistics dropsuit can greatly improve the overall effectiveness of his group, and fills a vital tactical role in small-unit operations and full-scale warfare by providing both medical and mechanical support.


Now we'll look at the proto suit variants for each as this represents the 'end game' builds: (Highs/Lows/Equip)

Assault:
Gk0 - 3/4/1, 60pg/300 cpu. 120/210 EHP =330
Ck0 -4/3/1, 60pg/300 cpu. 210/120 EHP = 330
Mk0 - 5/2/1, 64 pg/320 cpu. 150/135 EHP = 285
Ak0 - 3/3/1, 70pg/350cpu 180/180 EHP = 360

Logistics:
Gk0 -3/5/4, 78pg/390cpu. 90/180 = 270 EHP
Ck0 - 5/4/3, 78pg/350 cpu. 180/90 = 270 EHP
Mk0 - 4/4/4, 78pg/390 cpu. 90/150 = 240 EHP
Ak0 - 3/4/3, 72pg/390 cpu. 120/180 = 300 EHP



Here's what I don't understand...No where in CCP description of the Logi does it say, adapted for optimal slaying and WP production. And the assault, "most adaptable suit on the field", are you ******* kidding me?

My beef is that logis are not required to fill equip slots, so if you don't fill the slots....3 out of the 4 logi suits have more total Highs and Lows than the assault variants, with a significant boost to pg and cpu to fit proto mods/weaps/grenades.

The logistics role by definition is not a slayer build, but due to CCP's infinite wisdom they have allowed the base suit to be more adept at the 'slayer' role than the assault variant.

Now, people will argue that oh logis don't get a side-arm so its fair. Right, because when I watch the battlefeed it always says "Ishukone assault submachine gun", you hardly ever see "Duvolle assault rifle". SMH. The sidearm argument is played out.

Yes the assault variants have more base EHP but its really not that significant unless you are Amarr Assault or Min Logi, as those two lie on the ends of the spectrum.


Here's my QQ, Why does a logi have the ability to 'change' roles from logistics, to assault, to scout, to tank....when no other class especially the class that boasts the "most adaptable suit on the battlefield" is unable to cross into another role?

And to respond to Jack Mcready.....take the equip slot from the Minmatar assault, give me another low slow and I'll be happy as a pig in ****. The equip slot on an assault is not necessary, if I am supposed to slay, then let me slay. If I am supposed to provide "medical and mechanical" support, then give me 4 equip slots!

I still dont understand why logis think they need all that HP whether it be through the extra slots or from the built in rep.
You're "support" or "combat medic" not frontline soldier. You're duty is to stand behind your guys whether it be medic duty or shooting over their shoulder, instead we have brickfit logis rushing forward and killing enemy assault players 1 by 1.

I can do my logi duties in a STD suit ffs, sure I do run into situations where I get fired upon but I'm usually at a relative safe distance or slightly behind more obvious threats like my teamates, not deep in the enemy hotzone looking to spill some blood.

Thats your OPINION of what the logi is supposed to do, if thats the case why give us a primary weapon? Please show me in writing where ccp has said logis are not supposed to kill, just imagine if Ratchet had that attitude Optimus wouldnt have made it to part 2.

You answered your own question, for most of us the logi, was a better all around choice, some people picked assault as it better fit their playstyle while others like my self felt we could kill better in a logi suit, but we all had the same choice, your also forgetting the assaults are faster, have more stamina, and faster stamina recovery, I know people in this game never consider all the differences in a suit or gun but those are important, so try to be more accurate, and choose a better suit in the future. I dont get what every1 is so but hurt about, do you as a shooter really think its the suit? Maybe you just suck at shooting?? And why do you all think you can define the playstyle of the logi user? I set my suit up to do what I enjoy to me the logi is a slayer that can ALSO carry extra equipment to assist the team, I carry 2 nanohives and a scanner, my slots are full, I tank low shields for damage mods so I can kill well also. Your saying that because I can carry more stuff then you I shouodnt fit my suit to its full potentional for mercing. These people who say im doing my job, these garbage ass logibros are usually the people pickimg you up in the midst of gunfire and watch you die again. If they want to staybehind a fat man with an hmg and stick their rep tool up his fairy amarr skirt fine, as for me, Ill scan sling some hives and slay, dont try to limit the ability of our suits because YOU think thats why you suck, get better, get over it, and get a new suit......

You shouldn't be so quick to disregard sidearms. I take it you are one of those guys that fits a Prototype Light Weapon and a Militia SMG... Your loss.

First of all I don't suck, anytime you would like to join me in game on my team or the other I'd be happy to show you. I'm also not trying to define the playstyle of the logi, CCP does that for me in the first couple paragraphs of the first post. You quoted it, you obviously read it. You, my man, as logistics are not 'supposed' to be a FLF. However if you choose to be, fundamentally you should not be able to have more EHP, and deal more dmg (with mods) than any equivalent Assault variant. Is it a problem with Logis? not necessarily. I think its a problem with the assault variant suits. Yes our suits have a few passive abilities, speed and stamina. Since the Min assault is the only one with any significant speed boost, I guess I'm allowed to cry, that logis get a free armor rep (min logi). YOur point is null and void, and you are an assault player in denial in a logi suit. Get over it.

And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic.

This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man.

Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks.

Did you even read my suggestion? Stop being so defensive about everything everyone says...

best compromise i've seen is the following, stated by many individuals too numerous to mention:

Assault Suit Bonus: +2% damage bonus per level with "Hybrid" Light weapons (Hybrid or whatever the AR is, basically free complex at proto. Not limiting to hybrid/whatever would make Amarr Assault + AScr/Viziam = God Mode, so limited to non-duplicating bonuses like Lt DMG and racial Laser bonus.)

Assault suit Loses: No equipment slots on any racial suit (makes them a true slayer, no support options at all )


Logistics Suit Bonus: Leave alone (we rep everyone else, we gotta be able to keep our own armor up without drawing away more weapons. basically a free complex repper at proto)

Logistics Suit Loses: Must use all available equipment slots before fitting becomes valid (this forces a logi to carry items into battle that assist the team whether they want to or not, thus reducing the complaint that they are ignoring equipment slots to become Billy Badass.)

Both gain something useful. Trust me, most logi would consider leaving it alone to be gaining something. Both lose something, in the ability to effectively use the suit for more than it's intended purpose.

And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic.

This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man.

Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks.

Im good with ANY buff, more combat specific suit bonus for the assault is awesome, so are more logi specific bonuses. But let me be clear, logi is the most popular suit in this game, and for good reason, therefore it is most likely going to be in the hands of the most skilled shooter, this is true with all things in dust, including the ar, and damage mods. That being understood what we have left are the victims of those shooters here, in this forum crying....

Number 1 player in the game that I have talked plenty of **** about 13ear, Cal Logi, number 5 player Dia Callogi, thats 2 of the top 5, so it makes since that these are popular suits and people do what they see good players doing. Are you Mr LOTIS saying they would suck if it wasnt for that suit? Heres a better question FIZZER what are you saying we should be doing diffrently? If my equipment is filled, what am I supposed to do not load out my suit? And what do you think would happen if logis got nerfed? Suddenly you wouldnt suck? Magically your accuracy would catch up with your envy?

Look at the order of desired nerfs in the past 6 months, Callogi, then duvole, now logi again, everything the best shooters in the game use. Why is it always ****** players on here asking for nerfs? Where are the great players in this game? This LOTIS scrub says the player base wants a nerf? Wheres the base? A few dozen nobodys, how many of you even put any money in the game. Its garbage thats complaining because it smells its own odor, and its blameing it on the glade not being strong enough to cover it up.

Also theres a website out there called dust reports, great site, notice the sharp decline in the player base after every single nerf. Why? Because as shooters we want what we put the grind down for left alone, not destroyed for the inability of eve nerds. These people and their hardon for nerfs are hurting our game. Ccp let the shooters play and let the FODDER snipe. To all you that have a pair im calling on you to crush these posts,, slam them. These people are in corps with assault logi playstyles they need to be getting in their corp mates asses. We are the majority, lets make sure ccp knows how we feel. These posts do not accurately represent the game because the people who are happy are not here complaining... RRRRRAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH

best compromise i've seen is the following, stated by many individuals too numerous to mention:

Assault Suit Bonus: +2% damage bonus per level with "Hybrid" Light weapons (Hybrid or whatever the AR is, basically free complex at proto. Not limiting to hybrid/whatever would make Amarr Assault + AScr/Viziam = God Mode, so limited to non-duplicating bonuses like Lt DMG and racial Laser bonus.)

Assault suit Loses: No equipment slots on any racial suit (makes them a true slayer, no support options at all )


Logistics Suit Bonus: Leave alone (we rep everyone else, we gotta be able to keep our own armor up without drawing away more weapons. basically a free complex repper at proto)

Logistics Suit Loses: Must use all available equipment slots before fitting becomes valid (this forces a logi to carry items into battle that assist the team whether they want to or not, thus reducing the complaint that they are ignoring equipment slots to become Billy Badass.)

Both gain something useful. Trust me, most logi would consider leaving it alone to be gaining something. Both lose something, in the ability to effectively use the suit for more than it's intended purpose.