WAIT!
Did I just notice at the top that you want a built in 10% damage mod to a assault, plus a 15% damage mod built into the gun,PLUS THE ABILITY TO PUT A 10% DAMAGE MOD ON BEFORE STACKING PENALTIES OCCUR!
ARE YOU FUKKING CRAZY!

Some people are not so good at maths. 2% is clearly too high.

Sounds like peeps are mad they didn't go logi because they didn't want to spec the equipment, now they see that a logi can have more HP which it should an it can rep itself an have all it needed to have lone wolf abilities an stack more damage which it should so that if it's team drops it can fight back to needle a teammate then pick up the next an essentially they can be the life force of the squad.

An that's how it should be

The only reason I made it a specific bonus is because it would still give the Amarr a bonus (they can use an smg without losing the dmg bonus they would've only gotten with the pistol), but they wouldn't get 2 free complex mod on the laser weapons. That is an appropriate tradeoff for Amarr, and if you were using laser-based weaponry you should be using Amarr exclusivly anyway.

I also understand it negates those who use MD as primary, but they seem to be doing just fine as is, and it would still boost their sidearm should they smg it. I know this is not optimal for all playstyles, but I think it would give bonuses to all suits without making 1 suit OP.

I also hadn't seriously considered making it 1%, thus giving an adv-level bonus, because I wanted to make it tier equivalent to the Logi bonus. So the 2 considerations I had most were Amarr Assault becoming the new OP rage because of 2 free complex laser mods (due to racial bonus already in place) and keeping equivalent tier bonus for Logi v Assault so no chance to say 1 got better bonus than the other.

And on that same token, assaults get access to more weapon variety the logistics. How many logis do you see with lasers, TAC ARs, or swarms?

*raises hand*

I use laz0rs reasonably often, swarms too, though the swarm is not always on a logi suit, admittedly. But, I have the advantage of a sidearm, so...

So in the name of objectivity I went and purchased some neo assault ck0 suits, heres what I put on, 3 complex shields, 1 complex light damage mod, 1 complex armor plate, 1 enhanced armor plate, 1 basic armor repaier, a gek, std sub, m1, std hive...... 493 shield 419 armor, now at first this is very close to my slayer logi fit, but on it I can run the duvolle and a core, however if you take away the repper you can make almost exactly the same fit, which means he relies on the LOGI. XD Now in staying with what I have lets continue to compare these 2 builds so I didnt get the duvolle or core, but whats the trade off? So I could run faster, great for quickly flanking, I have my sub, yay, more stamina, and more stamina recovery, faster shield recharge, more shield efficacy, and I went 30 and 9 with it. So can it be made exactly like my suit? No it cant but I cant make my suit exactly like this neo either...... If you gave this suit more cpu pg then it could be identicial, plus be able to do all that other stuff I said and have a sidearm, what would the balance be then?

I must admit I'm not completely understanding what you are saying here. Maybe if you listed both suits individually and stated why you thought the assault was worse it might be more clear to me. I might argue you are downplaying the advantage of better speed and shield recharge, for example.

Also, did you account for bonuses? Meaning, if you bought the 'neo' version you obviously don't have cal assault up to level 5 - an ISK suit which you have maxed out the bonus at level 5 can't be compared directly to an aurum suit which you have at level 3, for example.

I ask because if you had the maximum shield bonus on the assault you might consider losing the damage mod for another complex shield and then you (I could certainly be wrong) might have enough CPU/pg savings for the duvolles, which is more or less a GEK with a damage mod, plus have more shields. With a Caldari assault (disclaimer: which I only have at lvl 3 and don't use much anymore) I assume max shield tanking would be the most effective fitting. It's not like the Amarr, where you can use the damage mod as as way of pseudo-armor tanking with highs.

*Puts on his Gallente Assualt suit, then looks over at the Logi suit bonus. Cries.*
Seriously, if my suit is expected to be on the front line favoring armor builds, why in the hell am I getting a shield-based bonus?! Give Gallente Assault the logi armor rep bonus and I'd be sooo happy.

Would make more sense to give it a similar bonus to armor plates as the cal assault has to shield extenders. Keep it consistent across races.

Why not a damage mod fitting reduction?

Hey I like that, I could even go for that and a weapon bonus fitting reduction. Honestly the only thing I find wrong with my assault suit is not having enough cpu pg to bring out the suits full potential.

This came up in another assault vs logi topic but why not base everything on fitting reductions:

Assault - Weapon Mods
Scouts - Biotics and Electronics
Heavies- Armor and Shields
Logistics - Equipment

Make these a third suit bonus, lower the CPU/PG on logistics, and give scouts a second equipment slot. There, I just re-balanced Dust 514's suits.

The only reduction I wouldnt cry over is if cpu was lowered to match my cal logi...

WAIT!
Did I just notice at the top that you want a built in 10% damage mod to a assault, plus a 15% damage mod built into the gun,PLUS THE ABILITY TO PUT A 10% DAMAGE MOD ON BEFORE STACKING PENALTIES OCCUR!
ARE YOU FUKKING CRAZY!

if you really need that extra 80 HP then lol. ok.

Fact is, the logi is a better defender than the assault suit, but it isn't as good at 'assaulting' because it doesn't have a backup weapon and it's slow. Yeah, a tanked logi will beat an assault in a straight up spreadsdheet battle, but an assault who plays like an assault can outmanuever long enough to get that 0.1 second headstart and nullify any 80hp advantage a logi may have.

Plus, assaults get more relevant bonuses to their suits.

Deal with it or play CoD.

Simple straightforward fix, that no-one but the suit-abusers should be upset about:

Logistics suits are supposed to be about equipment -> supporting the team.
That's why they have 2 Eq slots. Great.

Having high-power and low-power slots does not contribute towards this supposed role.
The fact that logis can just fill up with shields and armor, giving them more 'tank' than a proto assault, is the thing being abused here. So.. directly attack the problem. Take away that ability :: take away slots.

Progression of slot counts from basic logic to proto, goes 4, 6, 9 lolwhut?

So... take that away. make it 3, 4, 5
Or for the super whiners, 4, 5,6

Problem solved, no more super-OP-tank logis, and without affecting other classes with ludicrous proposals like "make eq take even more power "

The real thing that ticks me off is this.

These are assuming brick-tanked suits with an armor repper, at the proto level

Assault- 900 EHP

Heavy- 1500 EHP (from my knowledge this is the heavy'a HP ceiling.

Logistics- 1200 EHP

LOLWUT?

Why? "We are the support guys, so people try and kill us first." To my knowledge, you shoot the guys who are shooting back first in a shooter. Why? Because they are the people, y'know, SHOOTING YOU?

"But we lose a sidearm!" Yeah, that's what you lost FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT.

Not a 33% HP buff over the fellow med frames.

What did you trade for that? Marginal amount of speed? LAV. Ta da. Just like the heavies used to. And yes, I have seen this exact thing, and it's been happening.

Limiting the true-bros to a sidearm is very unfair, and reducing speed would really make the logi a slimmer heavy.

So, why not reduce your HP down to a reasonable level?

You still keep your defining traits, only your now as survivable as the people whom your helping, instead of the survivability of a heavy.

All mods you are referring to are available to all types of suits, so yes, I feel that the assault should have a complex dmg mod as a bonus for that kit that isn't available to other fits. It would mean an assault would do the job an assault is supposed to do.

To the person above you, I would also like to say that all equip mentioned above must be different. You cannot rock 4 militia nano and pass. But if you wanted to use 4 different hives, then by all means go after it. That will prevent someone from doing just as you mentioned.

I run Duvolle with Ishukone SMG prof 4. My point is Logi's cry foul they don't have one. As an FLF I do use mine, but rarely in the whole scheme of things. Logis aren't FLF's so why are they bitching about not having something that is rarely used.