You shouldn't be so quick to disregard sidearms. I take it you are one of those guys that fits a Prototype Light Weapon and a Militia SMG... Your loss.

I run Duvolle with Ishukone SMG prof 4. My point is Logi's cry foul they don't have one. As an FLF I do use mine, but rarely in the whole scheme of things. Logis aren't FLF's so why are they bitching about not having something that is rarely used.

And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic.

This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man.

Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks.

Well I am a logi and to avoid the inevitable nerf I propose we get sidearm only but amarr can carry two, the only other alternative I'd be happy with is one high or low slot resduction for Logis. Any other ideas?

Anyone got a reasonable small nerrf to avoid a big one please someone must have something, yes I am producing forum tears lap them up lol.

And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic.

This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man.

Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks.

I've read your posts, and yes they are well thought out. Please explain to me how a Minmatar Assault suit with 5 highs and 2 lows is more adept at its role than the callogi, gallogi, or minlogi? All of those have more cpu/pg and more slots with neglible difference in base HP. Say you run 3 complex shield ext., a dmg mod, and a recharger (or 4th extender) you are forced to run a cpu upgrade, and you have 1 more low slot. Do you run armor for hp? kin cat to capitalize on your speed? Not many options man. That's my beef, as min assault I can shield tank only. And while shield tanking, I can't run dmg mods which cripples my 'slaying' ability, thus crippling my WP output on a suit designed to kill for WP.

Ok so logibros, how would you feel if assaults had an extra equip slot?

Why not a damage mod fitting reduction?

Ok so logibros, how would you feel if assaults had an extra equip slot?

Ok so logibros, how would you feel if assaults had an extra equip slot?

Because dmg mods still eat up highs, used for shield ext. (my only tank). And to give you a better idea of where I am coming from, I see the drastic imbalance in terms of being able to produce WP on the battlefield. Not who has a better Kd/r or who's fitting is more ISK efficient. Logis have many options for WP production INCLUDING slayer. That niche is supposed to be occupied by the assault role, one would think at least. I would be ok with dropping the equip slot and picking up an extra low. But that's probably just me.

I had an idea last night.
It goes something like this:

A logistics suits main reason is equipment/support, with its secondary reason being slaying.
An assaults main reason is slaying, with the added bonus of an equipment slot.

So we need to define that.
My idea is that for a Logi to fit a Duvolle AR (92CPU/13PG), they need to first use at least 92CPU and 13PG worth of equipment, or their fit is invalid.
It needs to be simpler though.
It is generally accepted that 1PG is worth roughly 4CPU. With this in mind we can make a simple equation to determine the overall fitting cost of any given item.[xPG+(yCPU/4)], with this we can determine that the fitting cost of a Duvolle Assault Rifle is exactly 36.
So for a Logi to fit a Duvolle, they need to fit equipment that has a fitting cost of at least 36 for the suit to be valid.

Keep in ming that the opposite would be true for Assaults, so they can't fit an Proto Quantum Scanner, Boundless REs or Allotek Hives without having a good amount of weaponry first.

You shouldn't be so quick to disregard sidearms. I take it you are one of those guys that fits a Prototype Light Weapon and a Militia SMG... Your loss.

You're really not helping with that. You give QQ kittens an inch, they'll take a mile. They'll want sidearms nerfed next, then make reppers the logis primary weapon, and if that's enough, our walking animation will be us crawling backwards with our lubed yellow asses sticking up in the air. I like to use SMGs and pistols on some of my proto equipment fittings to free up some CPU/PG, but that doesn't mean I should have to 24/7, especially since the best defense/support weapon in the game is a light weapon.

You're really not helping with that. You give QQ kittens an inch, they'll take a mile. They'll want sidearms nerfed next, then make reppers the logis primary weapon, and if that's enough, our walking animation will be us crawling backwards with our lubed yellow asses sticking up in the air. I like to use SMGs and pistols on some of my proto equipment fittings to free up some CPU/PG, but that doesn't mean I should have to 24/7, especially since the best defense/support weapon in the game is a light weapon.

What happens if you make AR proficiency only available to the assault class? It would decrease the logi 'slayer' effectiveness, give the assault a 'competitive' advantage without having to change slots for either class. Would, in theory, help to streamline the roles.



Edit: The light weapon proficiencies, either available to assault or closed to logi.

The last thing we need is a convoluted system that screws over both classes from any kind of role diversity. You're going to **** off a lot of Gallente assaults that carry triage hives.

I know full well that those guys won't be too happy, but more importantly, the people that take a Logi suit and twist it into something it shouldnt be able to do will be livid.
The last thing I want is a nerf to logis, real logis. I couldn't care less if the 'Slayer Logis' get nerfed to hell because of this. They deserve it, in the same way that real logis deserve to not be nerfed because other people are exploiting the same suit that that use.
This would allow people that use the suit for equipment to continue doing so, while getting rid of the 'OP logis'.

If you just change the assaults racial bonuses to be weapon oriented, and change the logi suits so they can't leave their equip slots empty (just like other suits can't leave their weapon slots empty), problem solved.

Go ask an Amarr assault that uses a LR or ScR if they like that suit better than the logi. You'll get a lot of yes'. My LR is almost a different weapon on the amarr assault compared to my logi suit.

If you just change the assaults racial bonuses to be weapon oriented, and change the logi suits so they can't leave their equip slots empty (just like other suits can't leave their weapon slots empty), problem solved.

Go ask an Amarr assault that uses a LR or ScR if they like that suit better than the logi. You'll get a lot of yes'. My LR is almost a different weapon on the amarr assault compared to my logi suit.

If you just change the assaults racial bonuses to be weapon oriented, and change the logi suits so they can't leave their equip slots empty (just like other suits can't leave their weapon slots empty), problem solved.

Go ask an Amarr assault that uses a LR or ScR if they like that suit better than the logi. You'll get a lot of yes'. My LR is almost a different weapon on the amarr assault compared to my logi suit.