Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.

1-Any player with more than 6 months i Dust can afford paying for this on daily basis. I do really well and i only use ADV suits.
2-The least a Proto Logi has is 3 High power slots. THats +217.8 Shields. Module Fixable
3-The Least any Proto Logi has is 4 low slots. With the advantage of not having to use a REPAIR module to repair their armor, ANY Logi can , with simply 4 enh armor plates, HAve AT LEAST +484 Armor. Module fixable.
4-Logi shield delay is , in MANY cases,better than commandos,Heavies,Most assaults.
5-The Minmatar logi runs faster than ALL assault suits except the minmatar assault. My Amarr Logi (The Slowest of them all) Runs at 7.55 with 1 complex Kin cat. Module Fixable.
6-They have the most slots and CPU-PG, combat wise, the logi is the best suit for the ability to adapt itself to any sitaution and excel where other suits should excel.
7-Logis are targeted first because thay are the most powerful suit,not because they are yellow. If Logis were balanced EVERYBODY would shoot a scout or a Heavy first.

At this point, wouldn't it be easier just to buff assault bonuses? Minmatar and Amarr racials are spot on, Gallente could use more PG, Caldari could use more CPU and bonuses for all the assault suits that help their primary tanking type like plate efficacy for amarr, movement penalty/fitting reduction for Gallente, and maybe shield recharge delay for Minmatar. This whole "nerf this because this sucks" approach doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "nerf every other weapon because the plasma cannon sucks."

At this point, wouldn't it be easier just to buff assault bonuses?"

Also, I see more Minmatar and Caldari assaults with shotguns than logis. You can't blame everything on the banana men.

This isn't a problem with Logi suits though... The problem here is that scout suits suck. An assault can be a better scout than a scout as well, does that mean we should take a light weapon slot way from assaults and nerf their speed so they can't be shotgun asscouts? No. It means scouts need a buff.

That's you're territory- you play scout, we don't.

The problem with your argument is that it you are saying that the logi always has the step up from all other suits. What you fail to state is that while the logi may excel in one stat because of modules that never overcomes all of its shortcomings. And for the record any suit can equip another module to overcome its shortcomings. A logi, like any suit, can equip a module and be near the level of another suit, but never on par or beyond if they equiped the same module.

So what!? So what if some people are using Logi suits as assault suits, heavies as snipers, or minmatar assaults as beefier scouts? This is not a case like the caldari logi/tac ar that was obviously superior to everything else and needed nerfing. I think I am a proper logi bro, I carry advanced equipment at the minimum, but I also carry at least an adv weapon if not proto and I use proto shield and armor so I can survive and yes even kill the enemy. However, I'm not going to begrudge anyone their choice of using a logi suit however they choose. I personally find caldari logi's that are tanked and running around with shotguns trying to get everyone in CQC annoying, but they are still certainly killable.

To me these balance logi threads reeks of people trying to force their preconceived notions of what each suit should be onto everyone else.

Do I need to say it again? Alright then... I can't believe I have to say it again: Logistics are the kings of versatility. We need our Light Weapons to fill that role.

We can use a Plasma Cannon to take out enemy defenses from far away. We can get a shotgun and melt faces. We can get an AR and kill everything, regardless of range, and our equipment is just the icing on the cake.

Example of how versatile we are: Mass Driver, Flaylock Pistol, Remote Explosives, Proximity Explosives. There's a demolition fitting.

Assault Rifle, Repair Tool, Nanite Injector, Nanohive. There's a Combat Medic fitting.

Shotgun, Remote Explosive, Active Scanner, Nanohive. There's a survivalist/hunter/trapper type fitting.

The list goes on and on. In EVE Online, the Logistics Dropships have ALWAYS been very combat efficient. That's a successful MMO that OUR game is based on, and it's been the same way for 10+ years. It won't change. We're supposed to hit hard and take the damage. That's why we're slower than Assaults and Faster than heavies, at the cost of guns. We're supposed to hit like a truck, and we're supposed to be built like one too. We're just strong, not invincible.

Besides, what weapon is able to do effective damage at the same range as an AR? None. An SMG can't do good damage at HALF the range of an AR. If a Logistics was caught in a firefight with just a sidearm, we'd be dead.

There is no fix, because it isn't broke. Anyone who says it is broke hasn't played with Logistics, they're only KDR [people] that are looking to be the almighty-assault. They must be playing CoD or whatever game has a useless support class, because they're obviously confused. Guys, make a Logi-Specific character. You'll see that we're already pretty balanced. Once the first gun runs out, we're dead. That's just how it is.

The only thing I would remove from the logi is the grenade slot. They're fine as they are for now, but you know that logi got some sort of core nade on him and enough hp to cook it right in front of you. I had another idea to change the grenade button to a team request button (need ammo, need repair, need ride) and have the grenade part of the weapon wheel. I want it to be a conscious decision to use a grenade instead of a natural instinct during a firefight.