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Please guys read it and "Feed it" bump it i mean it must be said to the DEV.

The sidearm only is not a good idea.
Assault lose their equipement slot ? meh they don't give a f*ck...
Logi lose their weapon ? holy sh*t ! In 3 days w'll never see again a Logi

So logi could play ONLY with SMG ishukone ? that's.... pretty restrictive don't you think :/

I know you have a good intention but stop having ideas about "weapon restriction".
Logis are not slave or human shield or free kill for assault don't forget it....

Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.

Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.

With Mordecai's suggestion. Logis would have a disadvantage. Nobody cares if you can get a 3 kdr, most people wouldn't be able to get more that 1-2 kills a match if they were restricted to sidearms, much less get a 3.0 kdr. With your and Tech's idea, logis would be used because someone has to be an equipment slave in the squad, not because someone wants to help the team.

If they are restricted to use their Pg/CPU as i said in Equipements it will be balanced.
Everybody have a disadvantages ONLY when they got advantages don't you think ?
Anyway restrict Logis weapon will nerf real logi AND the logi who set the problem.
So....too much "collateral damage" don't you think ?

On the otherhand sorry if was...bad with you when i answer you.
It wasn't the purpose.
But dude be honest when you spend 9 months about playing something you don't want to be fuc*ed up like this.
You're good with 2 scrambler ?
Good i'm really good with only one.
But when you will be with only one pistol.
Reloading everytime.
Out of ammo evry 2 minutes.
Consume all the hives for yourself because secondary are low capacity you will see.

That's the whole point of the flexibility of the logi suit. Of course, making those same changes to the other suits should outdo them on the logi. Adding shields or armor to either an assault or heavy should overmatch adding the same amount to the logi. Adding damage is the same all around. Scouts are faster at base level, so adding speed to a scout should make it faster than adding the same speed to the logi. The logi is supposed to be the adaptable suit. It just shouldn't do any other specialty as well as the specialized suits.

Well i'm gonna make a list about Logi disadvantages. :


1-Price an well fitted Logi is about 140.000 ISK.
All logi suits cost and equipement cost a lot.
Really hard to make some "rentable" suit.
In proto it's almost impossible.

Is weakier in :
2-Shield.
3-Armor.
4-Shield delay.
5-Slower.
6-Making it not having a big disadvantage but little everywhere making it in overall weakier.

7-He's yellow and always targeted first because the ennemy know his power for his teamate if alive.

At this point, wouldn't it be easier just to buff assault bonuses?"

As long as shield regulators get a buff.

Also, I see more Minmatar and Caldari assaults with shotguns than logis. You can't blame everything on the banana men.

This isn't a problem with Logi suits though... The problem here is that scout suits suck. An assault can be a better scout than a scout as well, does that mean we should take a light weapon slot way from assaults and nerf their speed so they can't be shotgun asscouts? No. It means scouts need a buff.

So instead of suggesting a way for scouts to have something like that, (possibly through biotics fitting reductions) you'd rather nobody have it because you can't? Brb, requesting to nerf all other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks.

That's you're territory- you play scout, we don't.

The problem with your argument is that it you are saying that the logi always has the step up from all other suits. What you fail to state is that while the logi may excel in one stat because of modules that never overcomes all of its shortcomings. And for the record any suit can equip another module to overcome its shortcomings. A logi, like any suit, can equip a module and be near the level of another suit, but never on par or beyond if they equiped the same module.

4 Kin Cats and a 12 second sprint duration.

King, thanks for proving my point with your bold lettering. The Logi would be a speed freak but unable to compete with the scouts other basic stats - hitbox, regen, stamina, etc. The logi can take one or two points about another suit and that is all. It then suffers because of its other shortcomings. Though the scout needs some major love regardless.

The reason I don't like it is that I don't really like any of the sidearms we have. I can definitely see how they can be nasty in the right hands. But none of the sidearms really appeal to my play style, and I don't want to be forced to use something I don't like, just because I want to be a healer class.

I'm afraid I can't quite put my finger on it, but I'm uncomfortable advocating a damage increase for assaults. I prefer making specific roles easier to fulfil, rather than making them outright better at it.

As for those race specific logi bonuses, I think most of them are much more applicable to scouts. For example, scanning, uplink deployment & RE deployment are far more suited to scouts (as in scouts that do scouty things).

Normally I agree with much of what tech says, but the sidearm only idea is crazy. And seriously, before you mention for the 18th time that you only run your SMG and do great, don't. It's like all those troll posts regynum makes where he says "well I just went 38/1 with that weapon, it works fine" Yeah, it works fine if you are f@cking regynum with proto everything else, maxed out core skills, and exceptional gun game. The example is pointless because it doesn't account for 99% of people who don't have an ishukone at level 5 proficency. Same with checkmate dual wielding his proto scrambler pistol and core flaylocks. How many have that option, and how are you going to do that when you only have the ONE sidearm slot, can't dual wield there.

Let's take the average noob, and set him loose out of the academy with his militia SMG and no proficiency. He is going to get straight up murdered every 5 seconds.

Just go with the required equipment fitting, simple, doesn't gimp people without maxed out sidearms. Done.