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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 260	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:35:00 - [1] - Quote Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb" Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens. Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed. So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them. But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank. That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance. Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod. These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest. And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 260	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:39:00 - [2] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Moar swarm buffs plz, tanks are OP I'm not saying tanks are OP. I'm saying that they would become OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 260	Posted - 2013.10.21 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: AV is supposed to be buffer damage to assist your allied armor in taking out enemy tanks. Sorry that you want to camp on a tower spamming the right trigger thinking you're good. Reading comprehension: 0 You did read the part where I said that long ranges with swarms are not good for effectively using AV right? AV is supposed to be used for ANTI--VEHICLE. Where does the description does it say that it's main purpose is to help allied tanks?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 260	Posted - 2013.10.21 20:13:00 - [4] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: hang on... let me just... there we go brain is successfully unplugged. I think I might be on your level now... so, AV call it 50k suit should be able to solo a 1m tank. "tanks shouldn't be balanced around price!" right, so a tank should cost as much as a dropsuit? "long range swarms are easy to avoid" and they are also invisible, didn't know swarms had cloaking devices did you? EDIT: bolding for better visibility... maybe we should bold swarms. Never had a problem with invisible swarms in my Madrugar Then again, I guess we are both probably ignorant of the glitches that the other side faces while in combat.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 271	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:34:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Attim I was starting to like you.... then this.... Auto Locking double DPS weapons that are fire and forget do not deserve to be, nor should have the capability to solo HAV. We need to reach a point of balance where players actually want to deploy tanks to the map, this way we get the fights that we see in trailers..... However as you and many others would have it. AV dominates the map with no downsides nor need to leave the red line granting free 150 + 50 WP at regular intervals for doing nothing. Your 500K SP, and 300K ISK investment is denying dynamic gameplay and destroying 10+ Million SP, and destroying 1-2 Million SP vehicles with too much ease. Swarm Lock time needs an increase, fire rate needs to remain the same, with swarms not making 180- degree turns and able to be unlocked by terrain and such. It's sad when you've earned the respect of someone that you've sworn to kill over and over again. It's even sadder when s/he has earned your respect as well. Anyways "fire and forget". Yes, but swarms are only "fire and forget" when they are in the perfect situation that I listed here. And I kinda forgot to bold some text that you should read again. Reading comprehension: 6.2 (Rusty)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 273	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:47:00 - [6] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Atiim wrote: Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb" Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens. Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed. So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them. But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank. That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance. Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod. These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest. And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! This post is so one sided. -With 5 Tanks on the field they have 5 less infantry to take Objectives. Most objectives can be defended against Infantry without exposing yourself to a Tank, although having a tank there makes it a real pain. -If it takes 3 guys to kill a tank, the same 3 guys can kill the next tank, and then the next. The other 3 guys should be keeping the infantry off your back. By the time you get the third tank they will be recalling the other two. -Militia Swarm Launchers will still suck, but they are free and everyone has them, so it would not be unusual to see 4 blueberries with militia swarms and some dude on a turret. -The 3 AV to kill a Tank idea applies to properly tanked tanks. Glass Cannons, and half-ass fits will still fall to a single Proto Swarm Launcher. Fox Guide: Swarm Launcher, Unleashing the Swarm ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013. 1.) Wow 5 people in a match won't make a difference when they can help clear objectives (unless it is an indoor map). And if the objectives are outdoor then yeah... What was your argument again? 2.) That is assuming that the other 4 tanks don't kill the people going AV. And if all else fails, then you can still rely on the infantry to take out the people using AV. 3.) Yeah MLT Swarm Launchers suck. But there are some loltankers who think that MLT AV can OHKO a dedicated player's tank. 4.) 3 AV to kill a good tank doesn't matter because a bad tank will die easily. Yeah well that assumes that well fitted tanks are rare, and If this is a TANK SQUAD, then they are gonna have good Tank fits. What was your argument again? No actually I don't even want to know what your argument was there.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 274	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:51:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Thats what i think, but loltankers here want chromo tanks back... Pfft... I do. But that was a golden time when I was a young Aver hunting down great monsters. Back then it was an accomplishment to AV well, not something every joker out there could do. I do want Chromo Tanks back, as our proto type HAV. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT! You want chromo tanks back, AND AN AV NERF!! Thanks for proving my point in the OP, you loltankers do want to stomp with no AV resistance. Then again Amarr are incapable of good reasoning.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 274	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:54:00 - [8] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Thats what i think, but loltankers here want chromo tanks back... Pfft... Exactly, I don't want tanks to be paper, but these guys are crazy. They want an AV nerf and a Tank buff at the same time! And their teamwork model Idea is evil!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 274	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:55:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There has to be a way to lessen the gap between easy and impossible to kill. Surya was a good start. At proto level tanks need to be tough to kill. At proto level AV should be hard to not be killed by.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 275	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:59:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb" Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens. Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed. So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them. But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank. That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance. Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod. These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest. And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! Double standards blaring in the face, infantry doesn't have to use teamwork to destroy tanks, but tankers have to use teamwork to stay alive. Stop lying, you're not a tanker, go back to Call of Duty. In 2hrs i'll be on and I'll show you my tank if your available. I mailed you last time asking if you wanted a look and you said that you had 3 back to back PCs, so I decided not to bother you. Go back to COD? You clearly haven't heard my COD514 jokes. But anyways who the F*** wants to play COD? If I wanted to play COD then I'd beat myself with a stick. The pain would give me more excitement.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 278	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:30:00 - [11] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: Please correct me If I am wrong, but I am seeing a majority of players who complain about AV hate swarms, and don't get me wrong they really are kind of a stupid weapon, but if this is the case then this discussion is going All wrong. If forge guns are deemed acceptable or at least not "game breaking" and AV mades are fine, then why don't we talk about only the crux of the issue. Swarms suck, they take no skill to deal a huge chunk of damage. Decrease damage rate and level of target tracking, increase clip size and ammo count. Is this not a solution? No it's not. We already had lock time nerfs DPS is only OP when tanks are out in the open and exposed. Do you use swarms?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 278	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:41:00 - [12] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: Right I am seeing horrible reasoning If we make it team work and you guys call in 6 tanks we will need 12 to 16 guys in AV to take them all out. Actually no you would only need 4 smart AV players to clear the field easily. Yes there might be a little choas right away But truely if we mad it using team work where at least 2 AV needed to take down a tank at decent rate of time. 4 good av guys working together would handle 6 tanks no problem. You do not run around like chickens with your heads cut off you actually play smart. You set up in a location you know a tank is coming to jump it 1 down. You move as a group behind your team next tank comes to kill them you kill it 2 down. pretty soon you have the tanks down to 1 or 2 with just 4 guys. Yes if you run in throwing AV nades sucidal against 2-3 tanks together expect to die. Just because something takes teamwork does not mean that if there are more then 1 tank in the game that you need to keep doubling to match with AV. Hell it is even better for AV to have more tanks because that means less infantry to counter while setting up to jump tanks. Sorry your reasoning is thrown out the window. One thing I expect is during those 30-45 seconds I am running my modules is to be able to take AV fire and push a little help my team. then retreat to recover before my next push. As a smart tanker I will be thinking and looking out for any traps that might happen as I recover. A smart AV team will work to push as I attack but have a guy set up to catch me on retreat when my modules are down and I am easy pickings. Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build. During the time I am running my modules I should expect 4-5 guys taking 20 seconds+ to bust my tank. Yes one guy should be able to take me if my pants are down and I am on full cool down but he should be bent over for trying to take me on while I have access to active modules. If I run a full passive fit I should expect 2 guys take around 20 seconds to drop me 3+ will do quick work. Remember this is me running full proto and them running full proto. I do not want to be god but I do expect fo be rewarded for playing smart. And forcing AV players to play just as smart to take me out. Yeah CURRENTLY it only takes 4 AV players to take down LOLTank squads. Now with the an AV nerf and the fact that most tankers want to see ppl have to use 3-4 ppl to take out ONE tank, It WILL take an entire team of AV to deal with them. And BTW it's proto AV. It does it's job. Do you think that they are supposed to tickle? Do you think that they are supposed to fire warning shots to tanks out in the open? And If your tanks modules are down and/or your are retreating then why complain if we destroy your crap Has your IQ dropped to 30? And other than the brown (or blue) aura around your tank when your reppers are on, how do we push together and know when your tank's modules are down? From my 4+ months of tanking I can guarantee that it is not possible. Huh look. My friend named Common Sense grabbed my reasoning and placed it back on the table. Now look, he won't even let your bad reasoning in through the back door.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 279	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:53:00 - [13] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build. t This is the kind of BS tankers want us to believe LOL If thats true: You tank sucks balls and so do you And why do i know its a lie?: I have tried soloing tanks with a LOT of damage at the same time: 4-PE + PRO Packed Grenades + up to 5 PROTO SWARMS WITH PROF AND DAM MODs , and they survive and run away. SURVIVE and RUN AWAY. This means in good theory if he had seen me before i saw him he could have killed me without me able to inflict ANY important damage. I run ADV P/E + Proto SWARMS + Lai Dai Packed nades on an Amarr logi.And even while emptying EVERYTHING tanks have been able to survive. Your pitiful.'' aw gawd my tank gets soloed all the time by 1 AVer'' just makes you look bad, you are not fooling anyone. On other notes. Yeah tanks need a buff, just not chromo level buff.... First off you need to go talk to any recognizable player in this forum. And ask him who I am. And if I am good. Before you say I suck and do not know what I am doing. Consider me a ******* god compared to your scrawny noobie self. And yes any armor tank can be dropped in 10 seconds by AV. While modules are running. I can run a 4 damage mod LOL Swarm Fire 2 Shots then throw 4 AV nades in 10 seconds. Nah you suck. Consider ME a god compared to your scrawny noobie tank. Where do you go of addressing people like that?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 279	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:02:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Right I am seeing horrible reasoning If we make it team work and you guys call in 6 tanks we will need 12 to 16 guys in AV to take them all out. Actually no you would only need 4 smart AV players to clear the field easily. Yes there might be a little choas right away But truely if we mad it using team work where at least 2 AV needed to take down a tank at decent rate of time. 4 good av guys working together would handle 6 tanks no problem. You do not run around like chickens with your heads cut off you actually play smart. You set up in a location you know a tank is coming to jump it 1 down. You move as a group behind your team next tank comes to kill them you kill it 2 down. pretty soon you have the tanks down to 1 or 2 with just 4 guys. Yes if you run in throwing AV nades sucidal against 2-3 tanks together expect to die. Just because something takes teamwork does not mean that if there are more then 1 tank in the game that you need to keep doubling to match with AV. Hell it is even better for AV to have more tanks because that means less infantry to counter while setting up to jump tanks. Sorry your reasoning is thrown out the window. One thing I expect is during those 30-45 seconds I am running my modules is to be able to take AV fire and push a little help my team. then retreat to recover before my next push. As a smart tanker I will be thinking and looking out for any traps that might happen as I recover. A smart AV team will work to push as I attack but have a guy set up to catch me on retreat when my modules are down and I am easy pickings. Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build. So when we have proto tanks you will not cry OPwhen we shrug off your ishukone forge guns? During the time I am running my modules I should expect 4-5 guys taking 20 seconds+ to bust my tank. Yes one guy should be able to take me if my pants are down and I am on full cool down but he should be bent over for trying to take me on while I have access to active modules. If I run a full passive fit I should expect 2 guys take around 20 seconds to drop me 3+ will do quick work. Remember this is me running full proto and them running full proto. I do not want to be god but I do expect fo be rewarded for playing smart. And forcing AV players to play just as smart to take me out. Yeah CURRENTLY it only takes 4 AV players to take down LOLTank squads. Now with the an AV nerf and the fact that most tankers want to see ppl have to use 3-4 ppl to take out ONE tank, It WILL take an entire team of AV to deal with them. And BTW it's proto AV. It does it's job. Do you think that they are supposed to tickle? Do you think that they are supposed to fire warning shots to tanks out in the open? And If your tanks modules are down and/or your are retreating then why complain if we destroy your crap Has your IQ dropped to 30? And other than the brown (or blue) aura around your tank when your reppers are on, how do we push together and know when your tank's modules are down? From my 4+ months of tanking I can guarantee that it is not possible. Huh look. My friend named Common Sense grabbed my reasoning and placed it back on the table. Now look, he won't even let your bad reasoning in through the back door. So you will not cry OP when I am shrugging off you Ishukone forge gun in my Proto Tank? I mean it is a proto tank and its supposed to do its job. ENGLISH MOTHERFLUXER DO YOU READ IT!! I use SWARM LAUNCHERS. And yeah if we both go toe to toe in PRO gear then yeah I would have a problem with that. You wanna know why? Because we are both in PRO gear and if PRO gear can be shrugged then that makes the PRO tank OP. For example, if You and I were 1v1, You with an Imperial and me with a Freedom, what if I absorbed all your shots, shrugged it off and then blew you to pieces? Wouldn't that be a problem? STD=STD ADV=ADV PRO=PRO PRO>ADV & STD Your logic implies: PRO>PRO ADV & STD SMH
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 279	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:07:00 - [15] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build. t This is the kind of BS tankers want us to believe LOL If thats true: You tank sucks balls and so do you And why do i know its a lie?: I have tried soloing tanks with a LOT of damage at the same time: 4-PE + PRO Packed Grenades + up to 5 PROTO SWARMS WITH PROF AND DAM MODs , and they survive and run away. SURVIVE and RUN AWAY. This means in good theory if he had seen me before i saw him he could have killed me without me able to inflict ANY important damage. I run ADV P/E + Proto SWARMS + Lai Dai Packed nades on an Amarr logi.And even while emptying EVERYTHING tanks have been able to survive. Your pitiful.'' aw gawd my tank gets soloed all the time by 1 AVer'' just makes you look bad, you are not fooling anyone. On other notes. Yeah tanks need a buff, just not chromo level buff.... First off you need to go talk to any recognizable player in this forum. And ask him who I am. And if I am good. Before you say I suck and do not know what I am doing. Consider me a ******* god compared to your scrawny noobie self. And yes any armor tank can be dropped in 10 seconds by AV. While modules are running. I can run a 4 damage mod LOL Swarm Fire 2 Shots then throw 4 AV nades in 10 seconds. Nah you suck. Consider ME a god compared to your scrawny noobie tank. Where do you go of addressing people like that? well: 1. he has more likes than you, so its probably that he has more respect overall because his posts appeal to people. 2. hes in imperfects, without a doubt one of the best corps to be in this game even in retirement status. 3. iv never heard of you before a month ago lol. 4. your just making yourself a joke with these threads. XD Dude with this POS reasoning, I'm suprised CCP and IWS take you seriously! It doesn't matter if you've only heard about him a month ago, his likes, or his corp. If he has a point then he has a point END OF STORY
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 281	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:42:00 - [16] - Quote Hey for all those who doubt that I have a tank, I'll be on in 10 minutes if you have to see it to believe it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 281	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:50:00 - [17] - Quote Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Hey for all those who doubt that I have a tank, I'll be on in 10 minutes if you have to see it to believe it. I doubt you have the ability to order a pizza from one of the restaurants in my town and have it delivered to me, PROVE ME WRONG! Pepperoni please! I'll bet you 20 Million ISK
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 281	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:51:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Commander Tzu wrote: Atiim wrote: Hey for all those who doubt that I have a tank, I'll be on in 10 minutes if you have to see it to believe it. I doubt you have the ability to order a pizza from one of the restaurants in my town and have it delivered to me, PROVE ME WRONG! Pepperoni please! I'll bet you 20 Million ISK Mail me in-game if your on
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 290	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:36:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: This? Again? But here is a simple question, why should 1 man in a tank, require more than 1 man with av to neutrilize? Answers that aren't valid: I have invested Money and SP So did the guy using Proto AV Its a tank Against anti-tank weaponry It doesn't fit the rock paper scissors style of this game Of course it does Infantry < Tank < AV < Infantry Its supposed to be highly armoured So is the heavy Our weapons are useless The new ones coming soon look pretty damn good to me I can't fufill my role if I can't stay on the frontline of course you can, tanks are infantry close support, not muderous juggernauts Why cant the best counter to a tank be another tank? Investing less than 2mil for lolswarms is not an investment when it takes at least 8mil for the basic tank and costs 10times more at least, at least investing in the FG is more of an investement because of the suit Its a tank, meaning its supposed to be the most heavily armored thing on the battlefield, yet it get solo'd frequently because lolbasic vehicle vs proto AV The heavy is not that highly armored, also a scout or medium suit using swarms is not highly armored at all so that goes out the window completely as they bunny hop the map Our weapons are useless, blaster hit detection is poor, railguns have less damage and splash than a FG while costing 10times more in ISK, missiles barely hit infantry half the time unless you get a direct hit and cant kill with splash while the MD can Bad hit detection with missiles? Railgun sand Blasters maybe, but not Missile Launchers. I have no problem killing people with my Missiles, and they are the basic ones. Just ask Commander Tzu about how I blew that guy clean of the mountaintop when he was charging up a forge on his Gunnlogi
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 290	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:48:00 - [20] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: This? Again? But here is a simple question, why should 1 man in a tank, require more than 1 man with av to neutrilize? Answers that aren't valid: I have invested Money and SP So did the guy using Proto AV Its a tank Against anti-tank weaponry It doesn't fit the rock paper scissors style of this game Of course it does Infantry < Tank < AV < Infantry Its supposed to be highly armoured So is the heavy Our weapons are useless The new ones coming soon look pretty damn good to me I can't fufill my role if I can't stay on the frontline of course you can, tanks are infantry close support, not muderous juggernauts Why cant the best counter to a tank be another tank? Investing less than 2mil for lolswarms is not an investment when it takes at least 8mil for the basic tank and costs 10times more at least, at least investing in the FG is more of an investement because of the suit Its a tank, meaning its supposed to be the most heavily armored thing on the battlefield, yet it get solo'd frequently because lolbasic vehicle vs proto AV The heavy is not that highly armored, also a scout or medium suit using swarms is not highly armored at all so that goes out the window completely as they bunny hop the map Our weapons are useless, blaster hit detection is poor, railguns have less damage and splash than a FG while costing 10times more in ISK, missiles barely hit infantry half the time unless you get a direct hit and cant kill with splash while the MD can Tanks can't be the best counter because that forces everyone to use a tank. And I don't want to have to pull mine out every time I want to take down an enemy HAV. So if I pay 300k AUR for a BPO with IA Swarm Launchers, Lai Dais, and two complex damage mods, I should be a god killer and be the best because I paid more? LOL NO! Again, it's PRO AV. Should it tickle? Should it fire warning shots? Should I just try spraying and praying with my SMG to let you know that I'm about to fire at you? Has your IQ dropped to 30?

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 290	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:57:00 - [21] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: This? Again? But here is a simple question, why should 1 man in a tank, require more than 1 man with av to neutrilize? Answers that aren't valid: I have invested Money and SP So did the guy using Proto AV Its a tank Against anti-tank weaponry It doesn't fit the rock paper scissors style of this game Of course it does Infantry < Tank < AV < Infantry Its supposed to be highly armoured So is the heavy Our weapons are useless The new ones coming soon look pretty damn good to me I can't fufill my role if I can't stay on the frontline of course you can, tanks are infantry close support, not muderous juggernauts Why cant the best counter to a tank be another tank? Investing less than 2mil for lolswarms is not an investment when it takes at least 8mil for the basic tank and costs 10times more at least, at least investing in the FG is more of an investement because of the suit Its a tank, meaning its supposed to be the most heavily armored thing on the battlefield, yet it get solo'd frequently because lolbasic vehicle vs proto AV The heavy is not that highly armored, also a scout or medium suit using swarms is not highly armored at all so that goes out the window completely as they bunny hop the map Our weapons are useless, blaster hit detection is poor, railguns have less damage and splash than a FG while costing 10times more in ISK, missiles barely hit infantry half the time unless you get a direct hit and cant kill with splash while the MD can Tanks can't be the best counter because that forces everyone to use a tank. And I don't want to have to pull mine out every time I want to take down an enemy HAV. So if I pay 300k AUR for a BPO with IA Swarm Launchers, Lai Dais, and two complex damage mods, I should be a god killer and be the best because I paid more? LOL NO! Again, it's PRO AV. Should it tickle? Should it fire warning shots? Should I just try spraying and praying with my SMG to let you know that I'm about to fire at you? Has your IQ dropped to 30? It used to be Was awesome back in the day 300k is nothing, i pay upto 2mil for a basic hull/mods and a proto turret which gets outshined by a handheld AV weapon which is cheaper and easier to use Also proto AV vs basic vehicles which cannot be upgraded PRO Modules
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 309	Posted - 2013.10.23 13:57:00 - [22] - Quote chase rowland wrote: chase rowland wrote: [quote=Atiim]Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb" Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens. Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed. So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them. But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank. That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance. Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod. These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest. And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! you sir are an idiot. that being said, you are a troll. did you forget the cost of a tank? how about we make swarms 2 mill isk and 10 mill sp to use? sorry you cant do your 360 no-scope with a basic swarm and solo tanks and infantry. this is dust, if you hate vehicles then go back to COD Cost: So if I pay 400k AUR for a BPO suit with Wirykomi swarms, 2 complex damage mods, 2 slots with Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades, I should be able OHKO you because I paid more? LOL NO! Basic swarms do jack $#!t against a Madrugar and a Gunlogi. No basic swarm is capable of soloing a good tanker. TRY AGAIN DUDE! Who the heck wants to play COD? Yep 400k per tank is enough do justify making the entire other team go to AV to deal with them. Good Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 309	Posted - 2013.10.23 13:59:00 - [23] - Quote chase rowland wrote: chase rowland wrote: chase rowland wrote: [quote=Atiim]Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb" Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens. Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed. So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them. But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank. That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance. Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod. These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest. And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! you sir are an idiot. that being said, you are a troll. did you forget the cost of a tank? how about we make swarms 2 mill isk and 10 mill sp to use? sorry you cant do your 360 no-scope with a basic swarm and solo tanks and infantry. this is dust, if you hate vehicles then go back to COD. ps: i tank and use AV. i solo them and i get solod by them. AV needs a COMPLETE rework. i bet you never even drove a tank. I use Madrugars. But I'll take you on that bet. 20 Million ISK says that i'm both a tanker and AV.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 354	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:35:00 - [24] - Quote Void Echo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: No no it does. Every AVer in that equation is self sufficient and can work together without even need to use team chat. If you mean to say a tank needs, a driver, gunner, and moduler to be useful not only do you kill any sense of vehicle balance you kill driving vehicles as a whole. Why do infantry not understand this. Your game would be so boring, not to mention dead without the 500 or more vehicle users in this game. I mean I'd head straight for battlefield and never look back. Congratulations you would all have your CoD514. No a Tanker Should be able to efficiently drive his tank solo, hell he could even choose to remove the small turrets and run it alone,but it shouldnt be very effective , same as 1 single AV is not very effective vs a good tanker. Now as I see it, tankers feel they should be able to solo whole games since their tanks are expensive. IMO You are just wearing a 6000HP + Dropssuit that is immune to all but 4 weapons and moves fast. We've had this discussion 10000000000000000 times. like srsly ,wait for the changes then we can whine and rant.... well... the difference is that our vehicles cost over 10x more than a single dropsuit you have, we also spent 10x the amount of SP you do to deploy anything.. and if balance isn't based around personal investment in this game, then why the ** do we even have personal investment, might as well make this call of duty where even the most ****** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want. DUDE QUIT LYING TO YOURSELF! MY MADRUGAR (at least my cheapest one) COST 400K. THEY COST 1M BECAUSE YOU MAKE THEM COST 1M! My AV suit costs about 100k to deploy, and If i die at least 3-4 times (which normally happens) I match the cost of my tank
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 354	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:39:00 - [25] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb" Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens. Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed. So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them. But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank. That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance. Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod. These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest. And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! LOL *You are not a tanker. Stop lying to everybody.* I'll bet 50 Million ISK right now. 50 MILLION ISK!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 354	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:47:00 - [26] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: calvin b wrote: Tanks will be harder to destroy that's for sure. Like it was said to have 3 individuals to fight one tank, now lets just say 3 are on the field with a proto squad. Yep like I thought, throws hand in the air and camps in MCC. lolno They now have less HP, have to rely on active hardners, no more passive resists, 1 time boosters and no more broken reppers with less slots/skills/mods/vehicles and no adv/proto vehicles either It means you have to use teamwork which of course is an alien concept to the vast majority of crutch users who like to solo all vehicles by sitting on a mountain spamming missiles It means you have to put yourself at risk you know like a tank does It means you actually have to adapt like vehicle pilots have done for the past 6+months This is swarms 1st set of nerfs after 6+months of buffs Get good Actually, swarms had locking nerfs. Now we have to look directly at the tank to lock on, and our lock times have been nerfed. (If you thought the Specialist variant took for ever, wait until you see it know!) All my redline swarms ever do is crash into a wall, and the range isn't even that long most of the time. AV does put itself at risk, against infantry ADAPT? Like how we need to be the best at sidearms or get buttplugged by enemy infantry? Don't be biased dude. At least try to get the views from the other side.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 355	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:04:00 - [27] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Atiim wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: calvin b wrote: Tanks will be harder to destroy that's for sure. Like it was said to have 3 individuals to fight one tank, now lets just say 3 are on the field with a proto squad. Yep like I thought, throws hand in the air and camps in MCC. lolno They now have less HP, have to rely on active hardners, no more passive resists, 1 time boosters and no more broken reppers with less slots/skills/mods/vehicles and no adv/proto vehicles either It means you have to use teamwork which of course is an alien concept to the vast majority of crutch users who like to solo all vehicles by sitting on a mountain spamming missiles It means you have to put yourself at risk you know like a tank does It means you actually have to adapt like vehicle pilots have done for the past 6+months This is swarms 1st set of nerfs after 6+months of buffs Get good Actually, swarms had locking nerfs. Now we have to look directly at the tank to lock on, and our lock times have been nerfed. (If you thought the Specialist variant took for ever, wait until you see it know!) All my redline swarms ever do is crash into a wall, and the range isn't even that long most of the time. AV does put itself at risk, against infantry ADAPT? Like how we need to be the best at sidearms or get buttplugged by enemy infantry? Don't be biased dude. At least try to get the views from the other side. You should have to look at the target to get a lock on, still tho after you have locked on you can look away and still fire anyways without looking at the target Lock times nerfed? locking on in a second currently, havnt seen any numbers which say the opposite Is that because you can lock on through objects? i can and then i try and curve em around by looking up or to the side so the missiles get fired a few meters out Best at a sidearm at the top or a mountain or a tower? No you dont need that I use lolswarms, the changes are good, it means if i use swarms i have to actually risk something to get my target instead or lol up on the mountain lock and fire all day erryday Swarms don't have that kind of range, and even if you tried they would just crash into a wall. I could care less about not being able to lock on through walls, as that was OP. Doubt that lock times were nerfed? Use a specialist swarm launcher and get back to me on that one. Swarm launcher users don't redline. (At least I don't)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 361	Posted - 2013.10.25 20:24:00 - [28] - Quote Evolution-7 wrote: Atiim wrote: Many loltankers say "We should be able to solo you and you shouldn't because we're just dumb" Well lets name the most common example of AV (with swarms). You are mid range (because long range swarms are easily avoidable), the tank is firing at you and so are the enemy infantry. If you are really lucky then you are able to wail on the tank, and destroy it, which most times is not the case. We will be gunned down by infantry long before this happens. Now lets name the perfect example (The ones people QQ about). The tank drives in a wide open field. Not paying attention, the Swarms wail on him to death with everything it's got, and the tanker QQs about being destroyed. So CCP listens to thier BS reasons and balance AV around teamwork. So for arguments sake, lets say that it now takes 3 people (half a squad) to tank out a tank. The LOLTank squad now uses 5-6 tanks, and we all have to use teamwork to defeat them. But it is "balanced" to force 3 people to take out ONE Tank. That would mean 15-16 people on AV just to deal with them (WHICH IS ONE ENTIRE TEAM!). And what about the enemy infantry? You think that they are just gonna sit there and watch the fireworks? NO!! They will go after all the objectives while the tanks freely stomp everyone without good AV resistance. Then you have the drug users who say MLT AV OHKO's thier "good" loltank. Well the only way to OHKO a "good" loltank would be to have Profecincy lvl 4 or 5 and a complex damage mod. These loltankers want tanks to become god and have MCC level health and resistance. They know what would happen if we "balance" AV this way. Don't let them stomp us! AV users unite! Let your voice be heard and put this evil to rest. And if CCP does listen to the tankers and tanks become the most OP thing in video game history, I'm gonna file a help ticket and Demand 1B ISK and 1M AUR, as well as a store front picture on the market of me saying I TOLD YOU SO! Arn't you that bad tanker that I killed twice with my assault dropship? Yes you are...... who jumps out their tank to fire swarms at a dropship... lolz Yeah, I am. That made me wish I had Wiki swarms on my main account that day.

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