Why do we care what some "top 100" tryhards think? I don't care about their epeen, I want character customization to matter. Right now it doesn't. I have 19 million SP right now and if I suddenly dropped to 12 million, I wouldn't know the difference. I'd just not train the armor, shield and medic skills...all blam, no tank or support.

There would be no difference in the game. None. If I wanted a shooter like that I wouldn't be playing Dust, I'd be playing call of duty. We have that game already. We want something different.

Why do we care what some "top 100" tryhards think? I don't care about their epeen, I want character customization to matter. Right now it doesn't. I have 19 million SP right now and if I suddenly dropped to 12 million, I wouldn't know the difference. I'd just not train the armor, shield and medic skills...all blam, no tank or support.

There would be no difference in the game. None. If I wanted a shooter like that I wouldn't be playing Dust, I'd be playing call of duty. We have that game already. We want something different.

Seriously? because ask any person considered to be competitive top 100 gun gamer's... And the TTk in beta was awesome.. everything about the gun game in beta was awesome...

Most of us are still here today because we got addicted to this game in beta... And everytime we log on it makes us sad at what DUST has become from people who just don't know much...understand the history or that it even has repeated itself like 10 times already.... but those people *cough* have a giant opinion...

Just go back and do the research... we had suit's that where half the health point values and guns that did just as much damage... but gun game was at an all time high... Even hit detection is no different.. So let's ask what is the change that made this problem....

Ahhhhh Aim assist... welcome to the giant elephant all you users keep trying to explain away. You can nerf damage and change weapon ranges and do whatever... a computer generated aiming system takes any dualing potential based on players skill a way... and makes this giant TTk issue. when gunning...

OHKO weapons aside... *shakes fist at CCP*

I don't agree with Bethhny, because she's wrong.

"Even hit detection is no different"

Hit detection is very, very different. Anyone who played 1.3 would know that. It's very clearly not aim assist. I'm a mouse user, I don't even use aim assist. My ARs drop people now just as fast as a viziam with stacked damage mods used to, which was nerfed because it was killing people too quickly. If aim assist was the problem I shouldn't have noticed any difference.

The gun-game in Beta was utter crap, and you showed a video to prove it. I'm not saying this from just the video though; I played pre-launch and it was crap then too. How long do you think it was taking to kill people in that first video you posted? 1 or 2 seconds?

Please after this your very amusing.

An so little understanding about gun game then. if you leave your head exposed or in a area for a long time a slayer will take it off every time... two Markof22 "dueling" and its a much different video(how dare i have a typo that you took literally..) Did you actually watch how many times a skilled player died with low health values? or did you dismiss that part of the video as "tryhard's" ?

everyones top 100 changes a bit... but the big names are usually always present.


And if your counter post is about correcting my poor grammar... then you will win every time. i have poor grammar and even poorer spaeeeeeeeelling.

TTK's in pub's is nothing... maybe you need to come to PC more... OHKO's and AA is to blame for TTK.... not some 10% damage value that has always existed... No matter how much you tell yourself that, it isn't true.

TTK's in pub's is nothing... maybe you need to come to PC more... OHKO's and AA is to blame for TTK.... not some 10% damage value that has always existed... No matter how much you tell yourself that, it isn't true.

It wasn't "a" typo; it was tons of typos. If your posts can't even follow at least some sort of simple high-school level logic, then they'll ultimately all be pointless. You already seem to be assuming that other posters weren't around back in beta, which is a faulty assumption on your part. I started playing within a couple weeks of you.

For instance:

That's not even a sentence. What can we parse from that?
1. TTK in pub's is nothing
TTK in pub's what are nothing?
2. Maybe you need to come to PC more
Your case for trying to introduce me to the consensus opinion is to tell me to play a mode that's been called broken by many players?
3. OHKO's and AA is to blame for TTK.... not some 10% damage value that has always existed
One-hit-Knock-Out's what?
That and Aim-Assist are to blame for TTK... being bad?
4. No matter how much you tell yourself that, it isn't true.
What isn't true? What am I telling myself?

I was observing TTK in that video. TTK isn't the max time the best possible player in the best possible circumstances can live; it's an average. The average time people were living in that video was short. Check it against the average time people live in the Halo video. The end result is that people live longer in Halo (with no system of learning defensive skills) than they do in Dust. I have never used the word "tryhard", but if I did I wouldn't somehow make it into a possessive for no apparent reason.

I have no idea what you're talking about with a "top 100".

TTK in pubs was all there was in beta (unless you count corp matches), which is what you were using as your example of "good". So, if it's "nothing" in pubs, and it was only good back when PC didn't exist - you seem to have some hardcore logic fail going on.

It doesn't matter how international the game is. If your ideas aren't communicated on at least a junior high level, then I'll have no idea what you're talking about. The distribution of a game doesn't change how language works. The fact you can't see this speaks loudly to how willfully ignorant or intellectually lazy you choose to be.

I've already stated that a 10% damage debuff wouldn't be enough to fix the issues, but you keep coming back around to it anyway. This suggests to me that you can't read.

I've also pointed out repeatedly that there are some key issues if a player in Dust lives a shorter amount of time than a player in another game where you can't train skills. The issue there is that the skills and equipment you train to protect yourself can take months of investment, but they leave you surviving for a shorter amount of time than a player in a game that has no need for strategic investment of SP/EXP/whatever.

The point is the life of a person that has invested in skills to protect themselves is too short given the time required to achieve those skills. You would expect that the TTK of a tanked person would be longer than a game with no skills, not shorter. This is talking about TTK as an average.

Zeylon Rhio


Your experiences are not in any way unique, special, or correct. The video you posted was just evidence of the TTK being shorter than Halo/etc. even back in beta. So, I suppose I should thank you for providing additional evidence at how screwed up the TTK is in this game.

You keep assuming a player should automatically live longer when he's getting shot in the head repeatedly...

and i keep coming around to the 10% buff because u seem to think it came out of thin air and argued that point on 2 separate counter posts to me.


No one has to assume your skill... it's well documented and kinda abysmal, 3700 kills and you talk about experience in the game...from Subdreddit? and shooting loads of proto suits... You seriously are the exact example of every person who has a giant opinion with no experience or little to speak of... and are posting on forums. My 5th alt has more kills then you.... by a significant amount.

Simple fact is much more credible sources can be quoted all over these forums that gun game and TTk in beta was amazing... And if you continue to argue that it wasn't you only show yourself out.

Even the death's that happened in that round against the team that got stomped werent even HALF of what the average death's are now... the hit detection didn't make everyone die a lot... Welcome to the extra deaths from OHKO's and AA, adding to players that never should of got that kill to begin with.

Junior highschool? had to google that... is that so the big kids don't pick on the little ones?

you could grammar **** 50% of the developer posts in DUST if you really wanted... as most of them don't speak english as their first language either...

And no i doubt you where playing in closed beta... Do you even know one of the blackop's tank names without googling it? did you even know black op's tanks existed in the game?

There is a reason i had to post a video from a year ago almost to the week. People don't know this game has gone backwards almost for the sake of UI upgrades and a broken PC system.

Yes, a player in a game a with armor/shield skills that can choose to preferentially skill towards tanking should live longer when being shot in the head than a player player in Halo where you don't have any skills to train. Is that succinct enough for you?

I quoted the lines about the 10% buff since you said we claimed in magically appeared, and I cited the exact dev comments about when the 10% buff. I've gone on to state in multiple posts that a 10% "debuff" probably wouldn't fix TTK.

At what point did I say loads of protosuits? I've worn them, shot at them, and shot from them. I've played a primarily logistics role since launch. I've capped out my SP every week until last week since April. I'm sorry that my play-time doesn't match someone that has a "fifth alt", because clearly you have tons of time to invest in the game. If you want to prove you have no life beyond this game, good job? However, playing until SP-cap since before official release seems like more than a large enough amount of play-time to have an informed opinion to me.

Capping every week already puts me at more time spent than the average player. You're more of an outlier than me. I'd hate to think how crappy this game would be if you had to be the sort of player with a "5th alt" to have an opinion, or pay attention to things like Top 100 whatevers of nobodies.

This may surprise you, but you don't actually need to shoot at "loads" of protosuits to get a feel for how long it takes to kill one. In fact, in pubs you would get a chance to compare the people in protosuits to the people in advanced/standard in the same game. Imagine that!

Though I've already pointed out that you like to dismiss other people's opinions under the guise of your leetness, and so I'm certain you didn't JUST make a post doing exactly that.

Your video proves TTK in beta was crap, because we can actually see it. There's a time running on the video, and it's easy to count.

Junior High is where boys and girls go around puberty to learn basic grammar and logic. I have pointed out issues to Devs on grammar in their posts, and they typically correct them after I do. The difference there is that they're not proud of being ignorant like yourself.

The problem is with hitscan weapons in general, combined with the ridiculous aim assist and the OP AR specifically. All of these combined with a modest increase in hit registration has basically ruined Dust.

Until CCP wakes up though, this is what we have.

Hail AR 514. Hail king AR.

10% damage buff should be removed, +1

Nothing about the short TTK in the patch notes, here's hoping for ninja fixes. If not, I might just take another break.

Yeah... I was thinking that because all the new weapons will be out in 1.7 that they'd put the TTK balance tweaks in there.

But since they put a Heavy HP buff in before making the hypothetical balance pass, I'm not sure where on the roadmap it wound fall at this point.

And looking at the new rifle stats...

Maybe a short TTK is an actual design goal (ugh).

With the second video, what's his character skill with the AR?