This became a huge thing when 1.4 launched, and it's killed a lot of the satisfaction in the game for a significant chunk of the player-base.

The assumption when 1.4 launched is that is was all because of aim-assist (remember all those threads), yet there was also a matter where hit-detection of various weapons had improved in tandem. This was something you (CCP) said you'd be watching. I hope you've seen by now how laughably short someone's life is under the gun of even a MLT-grade quality.

What do you think makes Dust unique in comparison to something like Halo or Quake? You would think the fact that character advancement allows you to customize your suit would be a large factor, no?

Take a look at this Halo video.

From the point at which the video starts, you can see it takes him a couple direct volleys with his rifle to drop/kill his opponent. It's about 6 seconds or so, and his aim is pretty good. Halo is a deathmatch sort of game where your suits are not custom and the battles are meant to be frantic and short.

Compare that to Dust 514 in 1.4. (this is from CEOPyrex's video)

Aside from the fact that his aim was all over the place and he was barely hitting him, it's even quicker to kill people in Dust, a game where you can fit armor/shield modules and be customized after MONTHS of play. The fact you can drop people super-quick now isn't a newsflash; it's been all over the forums since 1.4 dropped.

I've heard a few suggestions for fixes, but perhaps removing the 10% across the board damage increase you gave with all the hit-detection issues at launch would be a good start.

Please fix this. Fittings, skills, etc. are supposed to matter. Right now you've rendered 90% of skills pointless as a Frontline Starter with a MLT rifle and Zero SP invested can drop just about anyone faster than those guys in Halo, etc. If you want your game to be something different, then realize shooting for faster/more-death-laden gameplay than a Halo, etc. game is not the direction you want to be heading.

I agree, too. There's no time to react. The balance is gone: continuous DPS-weapons (e.g. AR, SMG) kill mercs faster than high alpha-damage weapons (shotgun, sniper).

Remove the 10% buff for weapons with aim assist, please.

Just my opinion, but I think that TTK is perfectly fine.

If we're talking about 1v1 situations with cover, fights can last about 10 seconds.

If you're caught off guard it's only natural you should be taken down mercilessly.

This encourages moving as a team and not running out into the open.

In that regard it's important not to make us invincible as well as immortal.

HOWEVER, I agree that it does make much of the fitting for HP redundant, although with my Exile AR the HP difference between a mlt fit and a proto fit is VERY noticeable (although I don't use aim assist so maybe it's just my aim).

What really is suffering from short TTKs are dropships vs. railguns and/or forges and swarms.

I think all except HMG should lose the 10% buff. those guys need a break. getting out gunned vs a basic AR when you have full hp and an mh82 point blank, isn't logical

Id agree with that, I mean, I feel like I should be a little more worried when someone with a huge armored suit and mini gun is coming at me (at short/mid range) and I'm kinda not. Another decent option is to increase the kick/recoil on the AR to be more like an AScR to make it a little less of a long range weapon.

Tl;dr version:
GÇó In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill bonus.
GÇó HMG damage buffed to 18 HP (including aforementioned 10% increase) and given a 5% dispersion buff.
GÇó In the near future, we will address range issues by removing the hard stop that currently takes place at maximum weapon range.

In Chromosome, the Weaponry skill gave an across the board 2% damage bonus to handheld weapons per level. Given the low SP cost of the skill (and the fact that itGÇÖs a pre-req for every weapon in the game) the majority of players would just skill straight to level 5 making the skill pretty pointless. So, in Uprising we removed the skill bonus. The side effect of this, of course, is that time-to-kill has increased.

This, combined with some of the control issues weGÇÖve been seeing, has led to combat feeling worse than it did in Chromosome. We will address this with a hot-fix that gives an across the board 10% increase to all handheld weapon damage to put DPS back to where it was. Additionally, weGÇÖve increased HMG damage and reduced the dispersion penalty when moving by 5% to address issues with the weapon.

The removal of the Sharpshooter skill (which gave bonuses to range) has also highlighted some issues with range in general. Weapon classes need unique range profiles. I doubt anyone would dispute that. And the sharpshooter skill was pushing far too many weapons beyond their intended engagement ranges. While itGÇÖs removal has caused some issues, the SS skill was a crutch and it hid more deep-seated problems with range in the game. It will not be coming back.

Aiming and control system in general: We have done a massive amount of updates to this area of the game with Uprising, laying an enhanced tech foundation for all of these systems to iterate on into the future, and of course, this has come with a lot of feedback as well in the days since Uprising deployment. We are aware of the issue that some players are experiencing GÇ£slipperyGÇ¥ feel of aiming and general gameplay experience, and our team is carefully looking into tweaking controls schemes for both keyboard and mouse and the Dualshock controller. For example, we have made changes to the input settings on the mouse which should improve the smoothness and fine aiming. The new values are very similar to those in Chromosome (though not identical). Expect CCP Wolfman to have detailed discussions about this particular issue on the forums here. Again, there are updates to this going out right now as I type this.

I've been an AR apologist for a long time. But since 1.4 dropped... yeah. They have since degraded the Aim Assist from what was OP day one, which I think everyone acknowledges, but the increase in hit detection has significantly increased AR dps.

I will say the path to non-AR FOTM is a slippery slope though... a STD aur laser with 0 SP invested still eats through ~750 hp in less than 0.5 seconds at extreme ranges if it is hot due to the aim assist helping it at range. Nerf the AR and it will be king again. If you nerf AR in conjunction with fixing SG hit detection and a shotty scout can charge through concentrated AR fire to two-shot you in the face... that's too much. A shield-tanked massdriver is still very effective in CQC, and if you nerf AR back to pre-1.4 levels and the AR can't out DPS a weapon that splashes around corners... it is going to return as the weapon to use.

10% nerf might be too much, but I agree there is an issue.

I would have to say that the time to kill is a bit quick for a tracking dps game . This only really occurd after the birth if aimassist combind with its twin improved hit detection. Niw the only way round this is either 1 of 3 ways


1 leave it all allone and allow dust to remain a fast pased semi twich shooter.

2 give everything 100% more hp in total.leaving the dps the same

3 lower the dps of every thing by 50% and leave the hp where it is

The first option really explains its self and tge secont 2 options would increas engagement times across the board as well as make for more tactical gameplay as you simply wouldent be able to just appear and kill in less than half a second. Now I can see allot of flame from the ar cod boys who suddenly got good at this game after the introduction of improved aim assist and hit detection.

If we're talking about 1v1 situations with cover, fights can last about 10 seconds.

If you're caught off guard it's only natural you should be taken down mercilessly.

This encourages moving as a team and not running out into the open.

In that regard it's important not to make us invincible as well as immortal.

HOWEVER, I agree that it does make much of the fitting for HP redundant, although with my Exile AR the HP difference between a mlt fit and a proto fit is VERY noticeable (although I don't use aim assist so maybe it's just my aim).

What really is suffering from short TTKs are dropships vs. railguns and/or forges and swarms.

Just tested a pure shield tanking fit with a shield recharge delay of 2 seconds. I can't even live long enough to get to cover so my shields can pop. What a joke...

Iv found shield tanking seems a bit too hit and run, do or die now.