I don't really mind the TTK as it is now. I don't really think it is the problem. I would like to see the game move more towards tactical-squad style FPS. If anything, I think that until recently we were too bullet spongy, shields were OP and Armor Tanking wasn't useful. I wouldn't mind seeing Heavies become a bit more bullet spongy (they are Heavies after all). Assaults just shouldn't be trading shots with each other but trying to out maneuver each other by bounding from cover to cover and maneuvering for advantage. Snipers should pop off a few shots then hoof it to another vantage point before some one finds them.

Just tested a pure shield tanking fit with a shield recharge delay of 2 seconds. I can't even live long enough to get to cover so my shields can pop. What a joke...

500 shields?

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damm, caldari sucks at dropsuits too, im a caldari user :\

it's funny their are points in dust now where I know i'm dead, and I just need to accept it.

before 1.3 I used to think maybe I can juke till I get into cover, or maybe i can dodge long enough to reload and maybe i'll get lucky.

in 1.4 though if you get ambushed after a 1 v 1 or get caught slightly in the open you are just done, straight up no chance.

also I can often times AR someone peaking out of cover before they can get back in lol.

This would also stop the logi witch hunt since there wouldn't be such an emphasis on EHP.

I'm running around being a medic using an SMG only, I have 801 armour and 241 shield, I need the HP.

Perhaps it would help to view this more as an RPG in part. The character customization and scope of development REQUIRES us to be measured and thoughtful in how we approach building a character because it's such a long process (or at least it would...). If you think of a game like Borderlands, you're potentially spending a lot of time strafing and putting fire down on a single target. There are slower targets with more HP, and that would be vaguely equivalent to something like our armor/heavy tradeoff.

I think Dust could probably stand to handle teamwork, tactics, and synergy a bit better than that title mind you (though the 2nd was a bit better with cross-team skills). The idea is that you're going to focus on communication, tactics, and strategy to make intelligent decisions in combat (and when preparing by making fittings). Use your head, not your wrists. Stack damage mods OR use an AR (or both) isn't indicative of depth (neither is get high ground->forge everything really, but it's a bit more involved).

The short lifespan is the enemy of thought here, and it negates the rest of the game design.

Some people may like run-n-gun solo-quick-kill gameplay, but that's not really where this should be. It's something they probably became accustomed to in certain games that had no sense of progression and were intended to be twitch. I might enjoy running around in some other game with hacks on that let me insta-kill too (for awhile anyway), but it's essentially exchanging a strategic element for... Fruit Ninja. It gets old quick either way.

Some people might argue that there are in fact tactical/team considerations in Dust, but this doesn't invalidate complaints about TTK. Take the previous example: organized insta-kill modders in a game would be more effective than unorganized as well, no? The tactics used right now are overly simplistic in part because of these sorts of balance issues.

I really don't agree.

Basic reason? If you get caught in the open at optimal range by a long burst of AR fire (or any other type of automatic weapon), it's my frank feeling that you should usually die horribly. Shields and armor are a supplement to cover, not a replacement for it, and proto should just increase your margin of error.

(As an aside, I still do not run AR's. SMG's, yes; not AR.)

Run and gun is a pretty retro mechanic, folks. I'd rather be finding some decent cover to murder you from than dancing around with sci-fi super soakers.

How many maps have cover again?

If you want that kind of play style, character customization should allow that. Throw on some damage mods, max out your proficiency and wreck people in a glass cannon or armor tanked fitting. The way things are now, there's no point in making a fitting like that when you can do that with a starter fit. It's not about tank vs gank, but gank < all since 1.4.

The change won't hurt the AR because it's still doing insane DPS with AA. Next to nothing will change except you maybe taking an extra bullet for a Duvolve with 2 damage mods. The change will hurt Lasers, MDs, and Snipers way more.

All of them.

No, really. There's just a lot of open ground to get yourself cut to ribbons on, which most people aren't as wary of as they should be. Take it from a scout: there's plenty of cover. I couldn't survive without it.


If gank were actually that strong, we'd be seeing fewer heavies. If anything, we're seeing more, including whole teams that seem to run nothing but.

Are we playing the same game? If I do see heavies, or even scouts, they're usually using ARs and SCRs nowadays since 1.4 completely killed any form of diversity. I'm glad you can still get it done, but what about newer players that dare to try scout and heavy? You think they'll stick with it in the current state things are in?

No joke, I've been getting killed by ARs outside of my draw distance. Complete BS...