Turn it off, if its so offensive.

All suits track and are tracked equally well.

Assault Rifle tracks to 60m
Scambler Rifle tracks to 60m
HMG tracks to 50m
SMG tracks to 30m
Shotgun tracks to 16m
Scrambler Pistol tracks to 55m!

Mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks and plasma cannons do not track.

With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

congrats several people just insulted their own intelligence with their owns posts.

actually the video shows that aim asssist is not able to track you down, strafing at 1/2 is enough to outrun it.

and what it does not show is that as soon as you touch your stick it stops assisting you.

in short, all the whiny scrubs ranting about aim assist are after all still only whiny scrubs.

congrats several people just insulted their own intelligence with their owns posts.

actually the video shows that aim asssist is not able to track you down, strafing at 1/2 is enough to outrun it.

and what the video does not show is that as soon as you touch your stick it stops assisting you.

in short, all the whiny scrubs ranting about aim assist are after all still only whiny scrubs.

Actually, now i looking at it carefully, without playing the game myself. It does looks a bit like a "Mouse Emulator" for the PS3, i thought this game already supported the mouse CCP.

Why Emulate the mouse, when you can actually use it ?

show AA being that overt in a live fire, real battle scenario, instead of with your buddies manipulating the mechanics to prove a point...

All suits track and are tracked equally well.

Assault Rifle tracks to 60m
Scambler Rifle tracks to 60m
HMG tracks to 50m
SMG tracks to 30m
Shotgun tracks to 16m
Scrambler Pistol tracks to 55m!

Mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks and plasma cannons do not track.

With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

because some of us prefer a controller and shouldn't be penalized for it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6QI4wmuzjmU#t=95
1.35

Good video however I wish you had tested more.

Tested for bullet magnetism
Tested hitbox size while standing and on the move.
Tested hitbox for grazing rounds.

However this video does show fast suits can easily break aim assist if they increase the SIZE of their strafe pattern left to right instead of taking small rapid steps left to right and slightly back and forth like they have learned to, changing your strafe pattern to longer strafes would help combat aim assist in a significant manner. It also shows heavys have a larger disadvantage to aim assist then any other suits due to a slowest strafe speed and strafe acceleration.

Also i did not see the HMG tested.

because some of us prefer a controller and feel like having a huge advantage of M/KB is 'balance'?

Nice video man, laughed pretty hard at that dropship for some reason but on topic, the aim assist is too strong. We never had it before and I don't think we need it now, the 2 arguments I have seen are:

other games have it

need to compete with Kb/m

I don't see why we need it here if other games have it, we have never needed it before and if the other games have it then play them instead. As far as the dualshock vs kb/m goes ill say this, im competent with both and the only real advantage I get with the mouse over the dualshock is how accurate I throw grenades and forge gunning. Forge gunning is super easy with the mouse.

just my 2 isk....

Had it in chromosome. No QQ. Didn't have it in uprising. QQ.

Had it in chromosome. No QQ. Didn't have it in uprising. QQ.

lol more proof AA is not that bad...

seriously, with this vid all you did was show how AA works, but you did it purley under test circumstances.

in a real battle, the enemy and you wont be moving like that, real battles are much more frantic.

show AA being that overt in a live fire, real battle scenario, instead of with your buddies manipulating the mechanics to prove a point...

lol more proof AA is not that bad...

seriously, with this vid all you did was show how AA works, but you did it purley under test circumstances.

in a real battle, the enemy and you wont be moving like that, real battles are much more frantic.

show AA being that overt in a live fire, real battle scenario, instead of with your buddies manipulating the mechanics to prove a point...

congrats several people just insulted their own intelligence with their owns posts.

actually the video shows that aim asssist is not able to track you down, strafing at 1/2 is enough to outrun it.

and what the video does not show is that as soon as you touch your stick it stops assisting you.

in short, all the whiny scrubs ranting about aim assist are after all still only whiny scrubs.

lol more proof AA is not that bad...

seriously, with this vid all you did was show how AA works, but you did it purley under test circumstances.

in a real battle, the enemy and you wont be moving like that, real battles are much more frantic.

show AA being that overt in a live fire, real battle scenario, instead of with your buddies manipulating the mechanics to prove a point...

DUST university seems to be strongly committed to support AA. I've seen some of you play pretty solid w/o AA. You guys like AA because you go around recruiting noobs that need it? I mean it's good to have a very large corp of drones who pay taxes. I don't even really mean to troll. Just really curious why you gusy rally behind AA.

Lawls. You want it to really track w/o any input on the player side, really? If it does not do just that then it's not that big-a-deal and hardly does anything? I think I just insulted my intelligence by spelling this out for you.

Full video is too long to upload atm, so no promises there. While it seems AA is easy to break, a little guidance allows it to keep the lock on on any strafing pattern. Basically, anyone who tries to hit you, will.

As a mouse user myself, If aim assist helps retain new players; I'm all for it.

Either way, tactics will always trump aim assist.

Just think of AA as though you are engaging a player that's of similar skill level to you, instead of a player who's aim is being subsidized by code.

Thanks for the video, and I agree with Nemo, there needs to be a better falloff to AA activation. CQC is fine, ranged: tune it down a tad, gradually.

I hate that I'm dying more often. But I'm ready to HTFU, and adapt.

congrats several people just insulted their own intelligence with their owns posts.

actually the video shows that aim asssist is not able to track you down, strafing at 1/2 is enough to outrun it.

and what the video does not show is that as soon as you touch your stick it stops assisting you.

in short, all the whiny scrubs ranting about aim assist are after all still only whiny scrubs.

Not everything in FPS is about tactics. Some ppl enjoyed having a skill with a weapon. That's kinda a big deal in FPS. If you take it away, you may as well go play chess.

The sheer level of idiotic posts in this thread is overwhelming. How do you argue with someone who actually WANTS the game to play itself for you simply because you dont have to skill to play it yourself?

For someone that talks about other people intelligence, you not very smart yourself.

Tracking the target is EXACTLY what this aim-assist does. It doesn't help you to aim, it helps you to "maintain" your aim in the target.

Hey guys

Please post your general feedback for Uprising 1.4 in this thread. For any technical issues you may encounter, please use this thread

We are aware of the numerous complaints about the current aim assist, and it is something we will be looking at

so if the assist stops when you move your right stick then why exactly is it even here? the moment you touch the right stick you need to track yourself but I suppose your just running around now now just letting the game aim for you?

if you strafe left and right there are short moments where the stick is neutral position.
it also helps "awareness" when someone jumps on you cause it will already start aiming towards the enemy before you reacted by yourself.

arent you done posting nonsense when you are out of arguments? point is, it does not magically aim keeps the aim on the target nonstop. 1/2 strafe speed the TRACKING.

All suits track and are tracked equally well.

Assault Rifle tracks to 60m
Scambler Rifle tracks to 60m
HMG tracks to 50m
SMG tracks to 30m
Shotgun tracks to 16m
Scrambler Pistol tracks to 55m!

Mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks and plasma cannons do not track.

With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

so if the assist stops when you move your right stick then why exactly is it even here? the moment you touch the right stick you need to track yourself but I suppose your just running around now now just letting the game aim for you?

who would guess, semperfi1999 answers with a idiotic post of no value about idiocy.

how often does someone need to bust your "theories" till you wake up from your tunnelvision? I guess there is no cure for you.


arent you done posting nonsense when you are out of arguments? point is, it does not magically aim keeps the aim on the target nonstop. 1/2 strafe speed the TRACKING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6QI4wmuzjmU#t=95
1.35

I think you're only commenting on the test and not the implications of what that means in an actual game.

While in a match, you get someone in your AR sights up to 60m, (which is huge) and you can throw a volley of bullets at them and connect with, what? 5-6 before they realize what is happening, then they start to move (usually in a sprint, which the strafing is significantly slower, especially when you're not a scout), so you might lose the track, move the stick just to get back and have them touch your sight, then you get another 5-6 shots in. Which is most likely a kill at that point, with little work, at crazy long ranges.

With that context, can you see why some people are anti-AA, at least to this extent, in a 'high health' shooter?

im a sad panda so I changed your quote
, not necessarily for you, but for what a lot of pro-AA pad players sound like.

who would guess, semperfi1999 answers with a idiotic post of no value about idiocy.

how often does someone need to bust your "theories" till you wake up from your tunnelvision? I guess there is no cure for you.


arent you done posting nonsense when you are out of arguments? point is, it does not magically aim keeps the aim on the target nonstop. 1/2 strafe speed the TRACKING.

All suits track and are tracked equally well.
With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

You act like you have "busted" anyones supposed theory......dude your bad...just horribly bad at this game. Your arguments are that AA doesnt track you...well it does all videos prove it. Someone might eventually find a way to beat the tracking but honestly the tracking is way to high on a game where maintaining your target is so important to kills. I didnt feel any need to argue anything more in this thread because so far I have debunked any arguement for the AA but ppl like you still insist that AA is perfect where it is. Sorry I know you like it because you need it to actually kill people but AA has made this game even worse than it was before. AA should only consist of lowering your sensitivity a little when you actually move your crosshair over a target...it should never move your actual crosshair (which it does).

BTW aim assist of course still works while you are moving your joystick. Now you can move it away from the target itself but (which you obviously havent noticed) the aim assist will actually fight you for a half moment when you are trying to move your crosshair off of a target.

Look Jack....I know you think you know alot about FPS games but the vast majority of your posts and proven that your FPS knowledge is almost nonexistent. You have obviously never played a FPS game competitively so you have no idea of anything related to what a game needs to succeed.

BTW its pathetic that you even note how good AA is because it will move your crosshair on a target if they hop out in front of you and catch you by surprise. Sorry buddy if your surprised and you dont have the reflexive skills to target and quickly engage them then you should lose. The game should not hand you a crutch because you take 2 seconds to respond to stimuli.

kb/m users have a huge advantage over controller users... AA levels the ground.

what you did was make me look like English is my second language...ill repeat...

kb/m users have a huge advantage over controller users... AA levels the ground.

Turn it off, if its so offensive.

Gotta ask. Have you tried m/kb since Uprising dropped? Or do you just think that its sooooo amazing?

your point is? since aim assist does not do this for you, why complain?



and why would this be different without AA? there was aim assist before in dust, even in close beta and no one ever complained about it. what most people dont get is that there were significant changes to hit detection and movements speeds and a 10% dmg buff over the course of the dust development. those changes just stacked up to a very low TTK. AA is just the tip of iceberg and actually had the least impact, you still have to aim by yourself but you shots now actually connect.

Does that turn it off for everyone else too?

Gotta ask. Have you tried m/kb since Uprising dropped? Or do you just think that its sooooo amazing?

I disagree. People went from hitting 40-50% of shots to 80-90% overnight. A lot of what you have being saying in this thread is blatant lies, such as aim assist not working when moving, aim assist not working when you try to aim... I sincerely hope you are not in a position of power at Dust Uni - you shouldn't be.

I disagree. People went from hitting 40-50% of shots to 80-90% overnight. A lot of what you have being saying in this thread is blatant lies, such as aim assist not working when moving, aim assist not working when you try to aim... I sincerely hope you are not in a position of power at Dust Uni - you shouldn't be.

I don't use it...I know many who do, and the consensus is, without getting into detail, it works well...

I can also make the logical conclusion that if it was terrible, no one would use kb/m.

I disagree. People went from hitting 40-50% of shots to 80-90% overnight. A lot of what you have being saying in this thread is blatant lies, such as aim assist not working when moving, aim assist not working when you try to aim... I sincerely hope you are not in a position of power at Dust Uni - you shouldn't be.

Does it matter if he is? Have you ever seen the dust uni kids? They have less of a clue on how to play this game than the average blue dot. If they were a true university they would be one of those online universities that hand out free degrees for a couple thousand dollars.

What this video shows is a great example of the scientific method. You keep all variables constant but the one that you're trying to measure.

What aim assist does is allow people to get "close enough" with their own input, and the "auto track" function will take care of the rest.

Now... what I would like to see answered is the following:

Why do DS3 users get aim assist, when mouse users (when the mouse is basically a DS3 emulator, not raw input) does not get the aim assist?



Here's a better point:

When people are further away, their radial velocity is smaller than when they are close. I other words:

If I am moving at 7.0 m/s:
At 20m away from you. move across your screen at one speed (faster)
At 80m away from you, that same 7.0 m/s has me moving across your screen slower (from your perspective).

From an EVE perspective... the farther a ship is away from you, the less tracking speed you need in order to hit it. That is why blasters track faster than rail guns... because Blasters are short range, and Rails are long range.

So.... I understand that controllers may have problems tracking at short range, when the radial velocity is higher... so aim assist levels the playing field with the faster mouse users.

However, at longer ranges, radial velocity is lower... so Aim Assist at the same "strength" becomes WAYYYY over powered. The strength of Aim Assist should vary based on your distance to target.

show us the video of the epic aimbot during a firefight. it does not exist because it is not how aim assist works... sorry to bust your tunnelvision.

Good video however I wish you had tested more.

Tested for bullet magnetism
Tested hitbox size while standing and on the move.
Tested hitbox for grazing rounds.

However this video does show fast suits can easily break aim assist if they increase the SIZE of their strafe pattern left to right instead of taking small rapid steps left to right and slightly back and forth like they have learned to, changing your strafe pattern to longer strafes would help combat aim assist in a significant manner. It also shows heavys have a larger disadvantage to aim assist then any other suits due to a slowest strafe speed and strafe acceleration.

Also i did not see the HMG tested.

I SEE! If your opponent strafes normally, it magnetizes for about 0.2 seconds but if your opponent strafes side to side at 2m per minute, you can actually track them without having to adjust your aim! That is soooo OP!

Now, how do I convince enemies to do that...

Edit: However, shotguns having that much tracking with such a large hit radius is a little much tho

Side note: When they are that far away and strafing it looks like that tracking is doing a lot, but if you fire while doing that your hipfire spread will make over 1/2 of your shots miss so it's pointless to do so

You want a "logical" conclusion ? If it was very good and give you a huge advantage, everyone will be using one, the same way as everyone is using the aim-assist right now.

I SEE! If your opponent strafes normally, it magnetizes for about 0.2 seconds but if your opponent strafes side to side at 2m per minute, you can actually track them without having to adjust your aim! That is soooo OP!

Now, how do I convince enemies to do that...

Edit: However, shotguns having that much tracking with such a large hit radius is a little much tho

There are other factors that come into play with regards to what input system is used. Some peeps use the DS3 out of convenience even if they believe that the kb/m is a better input system.

I personally use the DS3(without AA) because i'm bad at it and want to get better. kb/m was always my preferred input style for fps games.

The tracking is identical for all weapons and suits. The video is only a small part of the testing, and the reason I was in short strafe cycles was because we were determining the range at which aim assist works for each weapon.

With some input from the user, it becomes easy to stay 100% on target. The assist does too much.

I don't use it...I know many who do, and the consensus is, without getting into detail, it works well...

I can also make the logical conclusion that if it was terrible, no one would use kb/m.

I don't use it...I know many who do, and the consensus is, without getting into detail, it works well...

I can also make the logical conclusion that if it was terrible, no one would use kb/m.

If I might enquire, when you do long strafing patterns, did you get longer stick or the same, also what about a static input?

Against someone who isn't using the right stick at all, long strafing patterns are better. To be honest though, against someone who is actually playing, you gotta try throw em off, because as long as they can vaguely follow you, AA will make sure their bullets hit you.

what you did was make me look like English is my second language...ill repeat...

kb/m users have a huge advantage over controller users... AA levels the ground.

Yes because all of the top players are KBM users

The vast majority of top players are DS3 users.

Would you say prehaps, just theorising here, the reason its too strong is because it appears to be almost perfect against chop/short strafing!!

I believe what CCP have done is they have added an anti-chop strafe function, and havent turned this off for whatever reason when the character doesnt chop strafe?? I know it would be hard to test, but I am asking wether or not CCP programmed it to be a counter to the chop strafe technique!!

show me statistic proof of this

I disagree. People went from hitting 40-50% of shots to 80-90% overnight. A lot of what you have being saying in this thread is blatant lies, such as aim assist not working when moving, aim assist not working when you try to aim... I sincerely hope you are not in a position of power at Dust Uni - you shouldn't be.

when we we post in GD we represent ourselves not the corp...stay on topic and don't try to drag the university into the AA QQ.

Except kbm doesn't have raw input, it emulates ds3. Protoman didn't need scrub excuses to own with ds3.

Scrub answer from scrubcorp

the bottom line is that the game is more brutal and competitive now....I know I die a lot more now, I think that's good.

and honestly this was the best move against stomping, it surpasses any matchmaking fix...

why are people really against a mechanic that levels the playing field, I mean we all have this advantage...awesome aimers are even more awesome and bad aimers are now better....

overall the game feels tighter and combat is more bloody, and more people who try dust for the 1st time will keep playing...

so seriously give me good reasons why AA and the hit detection fix are bad.

I think I just gave good reasons why its good...

show me statistic proof of this

Lowers time to kill - devaluing SP
Discourages tactical modules on suits, its all EHP fights now.
Scouts are getting murdered left right and centre. They used to have a chance in 1 v1's, now they don't.
Heavies are having a rough time too, once they start being hit, it doesn't stop. The extra HP only goes so far.

Lowers time to kill - devaluing SP
Discourages tactical modules on suits, its all EHP fights now.
Scouts are getting murdered left right and centre. They used to have a chance in 1 v1's, now they don't.
Heavies are having a rough time too, once they start being hit, it doesn't stop. The extra HP only goes so far.

when we we post in GD we represent ourselves not the corp...stay on topic and don't try to drag the university into the AA QQ.

You want statistic proof of this? Just so that you can then respond with a X %'s of statistics are made up like you did before? Aldin....uses DS3, Protoman used DS3, Zitro brothers used DS3's, Pdiggy uses DS3, bear uses DS3, and that is just to name a few off the top of my head of current/past players who used DS3 and were also considered to be some of the best players in Dust.

Regynum is the only person I know who fits in this category and uses a KBM.

funny that I don't see them QQing....

this is a team tactics FPS, know your role, what you describe are the results of Rambo tactics...theres no place for that here.

Wrong. Its a MMOFPS. In that order. It isn't battlefield, and its intended to be a HTTK game. You're trying to make it into a low time to kill game.

Thats because Protoman, Zitros, Pdiggy, and bear have all left because of how bad the game is. Aldin still plays and I do believe he commented on the rediculousness of AA but he doesnt psot on the forums very often.

The aim-assist in Chromosome was very different .This one tracks the target, the one in Chromosome "adjusted" your aim, two different things.

I agree its mmo but its also tactical...

if you deny that, then your playing wrong...

I agree its mmo but its also tactical...

if you deny that, then your playing wrong...

Of course its tactical, but it was designed to be MMO/FPS. A game where its worth aiming for the head in a firefight, because it will lower the time it takes to kill the enemy from 4s to 2s. A game where choices and progression are meaningful, and worthwhile, and it is being spoiled by auto-aim.

then they don't count.. also this is just naming names...not statistical proof of your assertions.

then they don't count.. also this is just naming names...not statistical proof of your assertions.

I still haven't heard a good reason why the new mechanics are bad...

And now I'm convinced that you are barely even reading any posts. Holy ****.

Yes they dont count because you dont want them to count. Nope not going to consider anyone who is good if they dont play on a daily basis. And your still asking for statistical proof (impossible to obtain in a double blind study on this game) so that you can then state that statistics are made up. Your an idiot.

Its called ignorance....Dust Uni is really good at this.

No laser? This thing bends the laser so it can land hits.aimbot ftw

I'm beginning to appreciate how people think they can continue to play the exact same way after significant changes and expect to do well. Especially when you can see this video, and see that strafing wider would help, or sprinting one way, stopping and shooting, and sprinting some more would be better than the tight strafing that people are used to.

what im saying is the posts I have read (which are a lot give no good reasons in my opinion, or the opinion of many others who laugh at the QQ)

the problem is the so called elite vets think this is their game, and aren't very good at adaptation...

it is illogical to count people who don't play.... you made the initial assertion most good players use DS3 without having any true knowledge of this, so who's the idiot?

and shame on you for resorting to personal attacks... it shows that you are frustrated and have no real argument... I expected more from you.

you need to compose yourself.

Wrong. It does not. The LR aim assist is no different than the rest of the aim assist.

the problem is the so called elite vets think this is their game, and aren't very good at adaptation...

THis is rich comming from (at least a corp) who claimed that a post from an imperfect should be attributed to all of the imperfects because you represent your corp.........

the problem is the so called elite vets think this is their game, and aren't very good at adaptation...

Anyone know any good FPS to play, because I've finally realized Dust isn't one anymore...

I'm beginning to appreciate how people think they can continue to play the exact same way after significant changes and expect to do well. Especially when you can see this video, and see that strafing wider would help, or sprinting one way, stopping and shooting, and sprinting some more would be better than the tight strafing that people are used to.

Payday 2 is pretty dope.
And its not an FPS, but War Thunder is f2p on steam. Its ok.

Anyone know any good FPS to play, because I've finally realized Dust isn't one anymore...

I don't think the corp ever said this... a member may have... but that was his/her opinion... not the corps.

The "elite vets" are the ones who have been playing the longest, and have given CCP the most amount of money thus far. Having such a dramatic core change to a game they've been playing for months is bound to get some backlash.

Also, there is no "adaption." There's no "well now do this! problem solved". The adaption you speak of is "have more health and get the first shot off". Lol, "adaption."

Not just your members...your (I assume) directors said this all the time. I assume they were your directors because they are people who have been with Dust U for a very very long time.

In fact your corp along with Zion and STB were the worst at constantly stating that when you post your representing your corp. There were others too but people from those 3 corps were the worst.

look I have spent A LOT of money on this game, and EVE. I think the issue here is not realizing that CCP tends to drastically change their games from build to build, if you play eve you understand this.

this game is a work in progress and it will be vastly different a year from now from what it is today...

the lesson here is don't get comfortable.

I read your reasons for why you think its a bad change, but your reasons come from a perspective of "you changed the way my game works"... its not yours, or mine and lets face it the way it was wasn't winning any awards...and they have a long way to go still.

the main reason why I think the new aim mechanics are good is because it has made the game more competitive and brutal...new players can jump in and be useful and feel powerful, old vets can adapt and use their knowledge of maps, and vast sp to still gain an edge.

so you cant proto stomp anymore... big deal...was that such a good thing for the game?... so you die quicker, well, so does everyone else...this game has been complained about constantly and I personally believe 1.4 is a turning point... no its not perfect, yes it needs tweaking, but the best reasons the anti AA people have come up with for turning it off is they die quicker, scrubs can aim now, and proto isn't worth using in a pub....to me these sound like all good reasons to keep it.

this is coming from someone who before 1.4 had his best game at 41/9 with a shotty and REs and an average game of 15-20/6-10 only using BP fits and spent over 400$ on dust alone. now my average game is 12/10 AND im using proto half the time just to hold ground or advance a point before switching back to BPs... its effing brutal and I like it

I stopped reading when you tried o defend aim assist as a balancing mechanic for new players. With that logic, a starter frigate should be allowed to shoot down a Titan in EVE.

lol a t2 frig with max skills couldn't down a titan... bad analogy

Not just your members...your (I assume) directors said this all the time. I assume they were your directors because they are people who have been with Dust U for a very very long time.

In fact your corp along with Zion and STB were the worst at constantly stating that when you post your representing your corp. There were others too but people from those 3 corps were the worst.

PS: Big fan of the Uni's efforts in uptraining our newcomers, by the way. Keep up the good work. o7

The "elite vets" are the ones who have been playing the longest, and have given CCP the most amount of money thus far. Having such a dramatic core change to a game they've been playing for months is bound to get some backlash.

Also, there is no "adaption." There's no "well now do this! problem solved". The adaption you speak of is "have more health and get the first shot off". Lol, "adaption."

Too bad they indoctrinate them with nooblogic so they actually think they have real skills in this game. Noobs teaching noobs doesn't make anyone play better, notice how DU is all for AA, makes their efforts actually seem like they worked, when in fact they never actually got better at anything. IF you want to learn2aim pick up old school goldeneye, perfect dark, or CS and learn to aim overtime. Its not a difficult skill to develop.

Ummm while I agree with you, I'm pretty sure he spelled adaptation right and it was you, in fact, who misquoted and misspelled it. Read your posts before you make yourself look like an idiot.

@Cosgar
Not really, your proto suit still has the significant edge. The DPS/armor and equipment difference is very noticeable. Bullets kill, that is the way it should be, if you slip up your movement and positioning or choke your shots and he gets ya that is on you. If you rush in take out 2 of his buddies and have to reload and he takes you out its still on you. if you 1v1 and he lands head shots and you land body and he beats you it means he beats you. Suck it up. And the economy was always based on running PRO suits for PRO matches, its costs are supposed to be significant to warrant that you don't use it all the time. Its like using your Mclaren for street racing, Save it for Le Mans there buddy. And if your good and can aim better you can run STD and or MLT and win. Just get heatshots there vet or play smarter with all your experience. Not to mention you have friends with injectors that can help you out and keep you from losing so many suits. Plenty of options available to you. And I can still proto stomp solo and make money when I play smart and dont make bad calls, and I am a heavy, so what is your excuse exactly?

Fact is heavies are better at making good tactical decisions then any other class. Why? well for one our suits used to cost more then DOUBLE a PRO assault suit. We cant run away so if meet a group of enemies we have to win, Choking has always cost heavy's more so we are used to the stress of this type of gameplay. We have to hit our targets because we have been a nerfed class for so long and we have the biggest uphill battle in pro PC then any other class.

What your experiencing now? that tight feeling in your chest in a fight and that dull throbbing in the back of your mind. Welcome to my entire dust experience. Get used to it.

There is a famous racing saying Minutes are cheap but seconds will cost ya, the same applies to PRO gear.

The aim-assist in Chromosome was very different .This one tracks the target, the one in Chromosome "adjusted" your aim, two different things.

Neg lrn 2 aim is hard. I want the game to do it for me so I can be on a similar playing field as someone who has spent years playing games that hone their hand eye coordination.

Meh I still run proto gear only and I run isk neutral/positive.

Then why should a militia suit be able to kill a proto as fast another militia? Makes all that SP, time, and ISK invested pointless, huh?
Aim assist is supposed too assist aim. Matchmaking is supposed to prevent proto stomps. Don't confuse the two unless you want to see this kind of balancing applied to EVE as well.

Wow that really is a bad analogy... A frigate is like a scout and a titan is like... the MCC. Proto gear does not turn your suit into a titan.

A militia suit does not kill proto as fast as another militia. The difference is more subtle now, but that's a good thing. SP should (and does) give you an edge in combat, but not decide the winner beforehand. Otherwise it would just be a game of who played the longest and has the saddest real life (like too many MMOs are).

+1 I hate people who get carried by time in, SP should help you play more dynamically and in new and interesting ways, it should not be a I win button and it should not carry players who have no head on their shoulders. It should subtly affect the danger level of combat raising the stakes and making it even more important that when you wear the best you play the best.

SP is definitely no longer an I win button........AA is the current I win button.

I am beating guys without it. Not that I don't think it needs some mild tweaking as a concept. I wish it was a friction based system that encouraged positive tracking towards the target and discouraged tracking away, but that also has its issues.

The tracking is identical for all weapons and suits. The video is only a small part of the testing, and the reason I was in short strafe cycles was because we were determining the range at which aim assist works for each weapon.

With some input from the user, it becomes easy to stay 100% on target. The assist does too much.

the bottom line is that the game is more brutal and competitive now....I know I die a lot more now, I think that's good.

and honestly this was the best move against stomping, it surpasses any matchmaking fix...

why are people really against a mechanic that levels the playing field, I mean we all have this advantage...awesome aimers are even more awesome and bad aimers are now better....

overall the game feels tighter and combat is more bloody, and more people who try dust for the 1st time will keep playing...

so seriously give me good reasons why AA and the hit detection fix are bad.

I think I just gave good reasons why its good...

the bottom line is that the game is more brutal and competitive now....I know I die a lot more now, I think that's good.

and honestly this was the best move against stomping, it surpasses any matchmaking fix...

why are people really against a mechanic that levels the playing field, I mean we all have this advantage...awesome aimers are even more awesome and bad aimers are now better....

overall the game feels tighter and combat is more bloody, and more people who try dust for the 1st time will keep playing...

so seriously give me good reasons why AA and the hit detection fix are bad.

I think I just gave good reasons why its good...

All suits track and are tracked equally well.

Assault Rifle tracks to 60m
Scambler Rifle tracks to 60m
HMG tracks to 50m
SMG tracks to 30m
Shotgun tracks to 16m
Scrambler Pistol tracks to 55m!

Mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks and plasma cannons do not track.

With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

congrats several people just insulted their own intelligence with their owns posts.

actually the video shows that aim asssist is not able to track you down, strafing at 1/2 is enough to outrun it.

and what the video does not show is that as soon as you touch your stick it stops assisting you.

in short, all the whiny scrubs ranting about aim assist are after all still only whiny scrubs.

@Cosgar
Not really, your proto suit still has the significant edge. The DPS/armor and equipment difference is very noticeable. Bullets kill, that is the way it should be, if you slip up your movement and positioning or choke your shots and he gets ya that is on you. If you rush in take out 2 of his buddies and have to reload and he takes you out its still on you. if you 1v1 and he lands head shots and you land body and he beats you it means he beats you. Suck it up. And the economy was always based on running PRO suits for PRO matches, its costs are supposed to be significant to warrant that you don't use it all the time. Its like using your Mclaren for street racing, Save it for Le Mans there buddy. And if your good and can aim better you can run STD and or MLT and win. Just get heatshots there vet or play smarter with all your experience. Not to mention you have friends with injectors that can help you out and keep you from losing so many suits. Plenty of options available to you. And I can still proto stomp solo and make money when I play smart and dont make bad calls, and I am a heavy, so what is your excuse exactly?

Fact is heavies are better at making good tactical decisions then any other class. Why? well for one our suits used to cost more then DOUBLE a PRO assault suit. We cant run away so if meet a group of enemies we have to win, Choking has always cost heavy's more so we are used to the stress of this type of gameplay. We have to hit our targets because we have been a nerfed class for so long and we have the biggest uphill battle in pro PC then any other class.

What your experiencing now? that tight feeling in your chest in a fight and that dull throbbing in the back of your mind. Welcome to my entire dust experience. Get used to it.

There is a famous racing saying Minutes are cheap but seconds will cost ya, the same applies to PRO gear.

@Cipher:
+1 for your experiment. And the laughs (who the heck was that DS pilot!?).

@Seymor:
Demanding statistical evidence is a 'bit of an underhanded tactic. Only CCP has access to datasets requisite in meeting such a demand. If I had access to CCP's logs, these are the things I'd look for first:

1) Change in DPS from 1.0 to 1.4, by weapon type.
2) Change in TTK from 1.0 to 1.4, by weapon type.
3) Change in Accuracy from 1.0 to 1.4, by weapon type.
4) Current engagement outcomes, by weapon type.
5) Current engagement outcomes, by engagement range.
6) Current weapon usage statistics in Pubs.
7) Current weapon usage statistics in PC.

^ I suspect that the above queries would support a frequently voiced concern. A concern in that the aim-assisted automatic assault rifle is consistently outperforming every other weapon in every role and environment. Such findings -- should tye exist -- would be clear indication of imbalance. Even so, causality remains to be proven.

So is AA to blame?
Are ARs to blame?
Are Aim-Assisted ARs to blame?

Who knows. But even without statistics in-hand, one may safely hypothesize through repeated observation...

Today, "winning in Dust" has less to do with tactics and more to do running a medium-frame and an assault rifle. And enabling Aim Assist, of course. Playing smart is indeed effective, but doing so without the right gear is to operate at substantial disadvantage.

- Shotty GoBang
~ 18M Shotgun Scout

PS: Big fan of the Uni's efforts in uptraining our newcomers, by the way. Keep up the good work. o7

Should have shown the controller in the video.

Actually, it continues to assist when you aim too. You only need to keep the crosshairs semi-close to your target for it to lock on and follow it. However it's extremely hard to show that in a video, because all you would see is someone strafing, being followed perfectly.

@Cosgar
Not really, your proto suit still has the significant edge. The DPS/armor and equipment difference is very noticeable. Bullets kill, that is the way it should be, if you slip up your movement and positioning or choke your shots and he gets ya that is on you. If you rush in take out 2 of his buddies and have to reload and he takes you out its still on you. if you 1v1 and he lands head shots and you land body and he beats you it means he beats you. Suck it up. And the economy was always based on running PRO suits for PRO matches, its costs are supposed to be significant to warrant that you don't use it all the time. Its like using your Mclaren for street racing, Save it for Le Mans there buddy. And if your good and can aim better you can run STD and or MLT and win. Just get heatshots there vet or play smarter with all your experience. Not to mention you have friends with injectors that can help you out and keep you from losing so many suits. Plenty of options available to you. And I can still proto stomp solo and make money when I play smart and dont make bad calls, and I am a heavy, so what is your excuse exactly?

Fact is heavies are better at making good tactical decisions then any other class. Why? well for one our suits used to cost more then DOUBLE a PRO assault suit. We cant run away so if meet a group of enemies we have to win, Choking has always cost heavy's more so we are used to the stress of this type of gameplay. We have to hit our targets because we have been a nerfed class for so long and we have the biggest uphill battle in pro PC then any other class.

What your experiencing now? that tight feeling in your chest in a fight and that dull throbbing in the back of your mind. Welcome to my entire dust experience. Get used to it.

There is a famous racing saying Minutes are cheap but seconds will cost ya, the same applies to PRO gear.

that is not aim assist but 2 people strafing in the same direction at the same speeds while ADS

please proceed to amuse us more and post again some "proof"

What this video shows is a great example of the scientific method. You keep all variables constant but the one that you're trying to measure.

What aim assist does is allow people to get "close enough" with their own input, and the "auto track" function will take care of the rest.

Now... what I would like to see answered is the following:

Why do DS3 users get aim assist, when mouse users (when the mouse is basically a DS3 emulator, not raw input) does not get the aim assist?



Here's a better point:

When people are further away, their radial velocity is smaller than when they are close. I other words:

If I am moving at 7.0 m/s:
At 20m away from you. move across your screen at one speed (faster)
At 80m away from you, that same 7.0 m/s has me moving across your screen slower (from your perspective).

From an EVE perspective... the farther a ship is away from you, the less tracking speed you need in order to hit it. That is why blasters track faster than rail guns... because Blasters are short range, and Rails are long range.

So.... I understand that controllers may have problems tracking at short range, when the radial velocity is higher... so aim assist levels the playing field with the faster mouse users.

However, at longer ranges, radial velocity is lower... so Aim Assist at the same "strength" becomes WAYYYY over powered. The strength of Aim Assist should vary based on your distance to target.

I am beating guys without it. Not that I don't think it needs some mild tweaking as a concept. I wish it was a friction based system that encouraged positive tracking towards the target and discouraged tracking away, but that also has its issues.

OH I also noticed that if you dont want to memorize distances it always seemed to stop tracking at around 33% efficiency..... oddly enough that didn't seem to change with base efficiencies, but there you go.

I agree...this video shows me how quickly you pull away...strafing works well here. Hands down the most fun the game has ever been. Wish we could see how it works while shooting.

I think you're only commenting on the test and not the implications of what that means in an actual game.

While in a match, you get someone in your AR sights up to 60m, (which is huge) and you can throw a volley of bullets at them and connect with, what? 5-6 before they realize what is happening, then they start to move (usually in a sprint, which the strafing is significantly slower, especially when you're not a scout), so you might lose the track, move the stick just to get back and have them touch your sight, then you get another 5-6 shots in. Which is most likely a kill at that point, with little work, at crazy long ranges.

With that context, can you see why some people are anti-AA, at least to this extent, in a 'high health' shooter?

Yes because all of the top players are KBM users

The vast majority of top players are DS3 users.

I don't use it...I know many who do, and the consensus is, without getting into detail, it works well...

I can also make the logical conclusion that if it was terrible, no one would use kb/m.

show me statistic proof of this

IM sorry if that offended you but what do you call someone who asks for something that they know A) cannot possibly be obtained and B) have already stated that X %'s of statistics are made up?

All suits track and are tracked equally well.

Assault Rifle tracks to 60m
Scambler Rifle tracks to 60m
HMG tracks to 50m
SMG tracks to 30m
Shotgun tracks to 16m
Scrambler Pistol tracks to 55m!

Mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks and plasma cannons do not track.

With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

Love the testing.

Love the music.

Love the dropship.

Love the LAV barrel roll.

+1

First, thanks for putting the time/effort to test, edit and upload this.

I think the video clearly shows that the magnetism is limited to fairly short distances. My hope is that the design intent here is to discourage the chop strafing tactic. Trying to hit someone who is spastically maneuvering around is not fun, it's annoying and obnoxious. People don't evade fire this way in real life combat, and I hate seeing in games. One of DUST's greatest aspects is the fear of loss of your expensive suit leads to gameplay that is much more similar to real life. There's a tension between wanting to complete the objective, but not wanting to be killed in the process: risk vs. reward, duty vs. survival. Chop strafing and bunny hopping destroy this illusion, as do evasive rambo players who can take out several players while dodging fire. This isn't "hardcore," is evidence that things were broken.

Ultimately, the most important aspect of AA is if it helps retain new players significantly better than before. DUST needs to grow by a couple orders of magnitude to have much of a future (and for us to see all of the amazing ideas CCP has for this game become reality), and that's not going to happen if new players aren't sticking around. AA is in-line with industry standards (if not weaker), and consequently will match new players' (and game reviewers') expectations for how the aiming experience on a console should feel.

I do agree that the TTK has become too low, and the best suggestion I've heard to fix it (and not reverting to chop strafing/bunny hopping) is to reduce all weapon damage by the 10% that was added at the uprising launch. Some weapons will need to be buffed back some, but that can be handled on a case-by-case basis. This will result in module choices having a greater impact on gameplay. Also scouts need a speed buff so it's easier to break AA, but still prevents chop-strafing tactics.

Since 1.4 matches have been the best I've ever played in DUST so far. They tend to play out more realistically to how a real firefight would, there are much fewer 1-sided battles and less proto-stomping in general. I've been getting a few more kills per match and dieing significantly more than before. Combat feels more tactical, with cover being more important than ever before.

I realize that players at the highest levels want to be rewarded for skill more. I have proposed a compromise solution that I think is fair to them, but still keeps gameplay fun for the other 75% of us. AA should have 3 settings [Standard] which is how things are now, [Weak] which has the effects reduced, and possibly 0 magnetism, and [Off]. [Standard ] is available only in pub matches (which are in highsec and has been stated by CCP that they want to be friendly for everyone); it's not available in FW or PC. [Weak] is available everywhere, and conveys a small SP bonus that won't count towards the SP cap (maybe 2%). [Off] is obviously available everywhere and it provides an even better SP bonus (say 10%). This seems like a very reasonable compromise that won't turn off new players, still gives vets who like AA the option, and rewards the most elite players the most. It also means that to compete at the highest levels (i.e. FW & PC) you need to be a better shot.