I am beating guys without it. Not that I don't think it needs some mild tweaking as a concept. I wish it was a friction based system that encouraged positive tracking towards the target and discouraged tracking away, but that also has its issues.

The tracking is identical for all weapons and suits. The video is only a small part of the testing, and the reason I was in short strafe cycles was because we were determining the range at which aim assist works for each weapon.

With some input from the user, it becomes easy to stay 100% on target. The assist does too much.

the bottom line is that the game is more brutal and competitive now....I know I die a lot more now, I think that's good.

and honestly this was the best move against stomping, it surpasses any matchmaking fix...

why are people really against a mechanic that levels the playing field, I mean we all have this advantage...awesome aimers are even more awesome and bad aimers are now better....

overall the game feels tighter and combat is more bloody, and more people who try dust for the 1st time will keep playing...

so seriously give me good reasons why AA and the hit detection fix are bad.

I think I just gave good reasons why its good...

the bottom line is that the game is more brutal and competitive now....I know I die a lot more now, I think that's good.

and honestly this was the best move against stomping, it surpasses any matchmaking fix...

why are people really against a mechanic that levels the playing field, I mean we all have this advantage...awesome aimers are even more awesome and bad aimers are now better....

overall the game feels tighter and combat is more bloody, and more people who try dust for the 1st time will keep playing...

so seriously give me good reasons why AA and the hit detection fix are bad.

I think I just gave good reasons why its good...

All suits track and are tracked equally well.

Assault Rifle tracks to 60m
Scambler Rifle tracks to 60m
HMG tracks to 50m
SMG tracks to 30m
Shotgun tracks to 16m
Scrambler Pistol tracks to 55m!

Mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks and plasma cannons do not track.

With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

congrats several people just insulted their own intelligence with their owns posts.

actually the video shows that aim asssist is not able to track you down, strafing at 1/2 is enough to outrun it.

and what the video does not show is that as soon as you touch your stick it stops assisting you.

in short, all the whiny scrubs ranting about aim assist are after all still only whiny scrubs.

@Cosgar
Not really, your proto suit still has the significant edge. The DPS/armor and equipment difference is very noticeable. Bullets kill, that is the way it should be, if you slip up your movement and positioning or choke your shots and he gets ya that is on you. If you rush in take out 2 of his buddies and have to reload and he takes you out its still on you. if you 1v1 and he lands head shots and you land body and he beats you it means he beats you. Suck it up. And the economy was always based on running PRO suits for PRO matches, its costs are supposed to be significant to warrant that you don't use it all the time. Its like using your Mclaren for street racing, Save it for Le Mans there buddy. And if your good and can aim better you can run STD and or MLT and win. Just get heatshots there vet or play smarter with all your experience. Not to mention you have friends with injectors that can help you out and keep you from losing so many suits. Plenty of options available to you. And I can still proto stomp solo and make money when I play smart and dont make bad calls, and I am a heavy, so what is your excuse exactly?

Fact is heavies are better at making good tactical decisions then any other class. Why? well for one our suits used to cost more then DOUBLE a PRO assault suit. We cant run away so if meet a group of enemies we have to win, Choking has always cost heavy's more so we are used to the stress of this type of gameplay. We have to hit our targets because we have been a nerfed class for so long and we have the biggest uphill battle in pro PC then any other class.

What your experiencing now? that tight feeling in your chest in a fight and that dull throbbing in the back of your mind. Welcome to my entire dust experience. Get used to it.

There is a famous racing saying Minutes are cheap but seconds will cost ya, the same applies to PRO gear.

@Cipher:
+1 for your experiment. And the laughs (who the heck was that DS pilot!?).

@Seymor:
Demanding statistical evidence is a 'bit of an underhanded tactic. Only CCP has access to datasets requisite in meeting such a demand. If I had access to CCP's logs, these are the things I'd look for first:

1) Change in DPS from 1.0 to 1.4, by weapon type.
2) Change in TTK from 1.0 to 1.4, by weapon type.
3) Change in Accuracy from 1.0 to 1.4, by weapon type.
4) Current engagement outcomes, by weapon type.
5) Current engagement outcomes, by engagement range.
6) Current weapon usage statistics in Pubs.
7) Current weapon usage statistics in PC.

^ I suspect that the above queries would support a frequently voiced concern. A concern in that the aim-assisted automatic assault rifle is consistently outperforming every other weapon in every role and environment. Such findings -- should tye exist -- would be clear indication of imbalance. Even so, causality remains to be proven.

So is AA to blame?
Are ARs to blame?
Are Aim-Assisted ARs to blame?

Who knows. But even without statistics in-hand, one may safely hypothesize through repeated observation...

Today, "winning in Dust" has less to do with tactics and more to do running a medium-frame and an assault rifle. And enabling Aim Assist, of course. Playing smart is indeed effective, but doing so without the right gear is to operate at substantial disadvantage.

- Shotty GoBang
~ 18M Shotgun Scout

PS: Big fan of the Uni's efforts in uptraining our newcomers, by the way. Keep up the good work. o7

Should have shown the controller in the video.

Actually, it continues to assist when you aim too. You only need to keep the crosshairs semi-close to your target for it to lock on and follow it. However it's extremely hard to show that in a video, because all you would see is someone strafing, being followed perfectly.

@Cosgar
Not really, your proto suit still has the significant edge. The DPS/armor and equipment difference is very noticeable. Bullets kill, that is the way it should be, if you slip up your movement and positioning or choke your shots and he gets ya that is on you. If you rush in take out 2 of his buddies and have to reload and he takes you out its still on you. if you 1v1 and he lands head shots and you land body and he beats you it means he beats you. Suck it up. And the economy was always based on running PRO suits for PRO matches, its costs are supposed to be significant to warrant that you don't use it all the time. Its like using your Mclaren for street racing, Save it for Le Mans there buddy. And if your good and can aim better you can run STD and or MLT and win. Just get heatshots there vet or play smarter with all your experience. Not to mention you have friends with injectors that can help you out and keep you from losing so many suits. Plenty of options available to you. And I can still proto stomp solo and make money when I play smart and dont make bad calls, and I am a heavy, so what is your excuse exactly?

Fact is heavies are better at making good tactical decisions then any other class. Why? well for one our suits used to cost more then DOUBLE a PRO assault suit. We cant run away so if meet a group of enemies we have to win, Choking has always cost heavy's more so we are used to the stress of this type of gameplay. We have to hit our targets because we have been a nerfed class for so long and we have the biggest uphill battle in pro PC then any other class.

What your experiencing now? that tight feeling in your chest in a fight and that dull throbbing in the back of your mind. Welcome to my entire dust experience. Get used to it.

There is a famous racing saying Minutes are cheap but seconds will cost ya, the same applies to PRO gear.

that is not aim assist but 2 people strafing in the same direction at the same speeds while ADS

please proceed to amuse us more and post again some "proof"

What this video shows is a great example of the scientific method. You keep all variables constant but the one that you're trying to measure.

What aim assist does is allow people to get "close enough" with their own input, and the "auto track" function will take care of the rest.

Now... what I would like to see answered is the following:

Why do DS3 users get aim assist, when mouse users (when the mouse is basically a DS3 emulator, not raw input) does not get the aim assist?



Here's a better point:

When people are further away, their radial velocity is smaller than when they are close. I other words:

If I am moving at 7.0 m/s:
At 20m away from you. move across your screen at one speed (faster)
At 80m away from you, that same 7.0 m/s has me moving across your screen slower (from your perspective).

From an EVE perspective... the farther a ship is away from you, the less tracking speed you need in order to hit it. That is why blasters track faster than rail guns... because Blasters are short range, and Rails are long range.

So.... I understand that controllers may have problems tracking at short range, when the radial velocity is higher... so aim assist levels the playing field with the faster mouse users.

However, at longer ranges, radial velocity is lower... so Aim Assist at the same "strength" becomes WAYYYY over powered. The strength of Aim Assist should vary based on your distance to target.

I am beating guys without it. Not that I don't think it needs some mild tweaking as a concept. I wish it was a friction based system that encouraged positive tracking towards the target and discouraged tracking away, but that also has its issues.

OH I also noticed that if you dont want to memorize distances it always seemed to stop tracking at around 33% efficiency..... oddly enough that didn't seem to change with base efficiencies, but there you go.

I agree...this video shows me how quickly you pull away...strafing works well here. Hands down the most fun the game has ever been. Wish we could see how it works while shooting.

I think you're only commenting on the test and not the implications of what that means in an actual game.

While in a match, you get someone in your AR sights up to 60m, (which is huge) and you can throw a volley of bullets at them and connect with, what? 5-6 before they realize what is happening, then they start to move (usually in a sprint, which the strafing is significantly slower, especially when you're not a scout), so you might lose the track, move the stick just to get back and have them touch your sight, then you get another 5-6 shots in. Which is most likely a kill at that point, with little work, at crazy long ranges.

With that context, can you see why some people are anti-AA, at least to this extent, in a 'high health' shooter?

Yes because all of the top players are KBM users

The vast majority of top players are DS3 users.

I don't use it...I know many who do, and the consensus is, without getting into detail, it works well...

I can also make the logical conclusion that if it was terrible, no one would use kb/m.

show me statistic proof of this

IM sorry if that offended you but what do you call someone who asks for something that they know A) cannot possibly be obtained and B) have already stated that X %'s of statistics are made up?

All suits track and are tracked equally well.

Assault Rifle tracks to 60m
Scambler Rifle tracks to 60m
HMG tracks to 50m
SMG tracks to 30m
Shotgun tracks to 16m
Scrambler Pistol tracks to 55m!

Mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks and plasma cannons do not track.

With thanks to Scat Mania and Big Popa Smurff
Highlights - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY