Damn right you said it and shut up don't nerf scrambler assault pistol they are meant to be heavier as in CPU and PG

Given all th disadvanteges a forge gun user has i think its very silly to call them OP. Lets list the disadvantages of a forge gunner.
at best 1.5 seconds between shots
1 shot is only likely to take out 1 person IF you hit
4 shots per reload
16 shots normal carry
slow as hell because they are a heavy
no scope to snipe with you rely greatly on a combination of skill and luck to snipe with

- A forge gun can be fired almost immediately after the first shot
- Yet 2 shots will kill pretty much anyone because it's not hard to aim with something that's a massive ball of energy that blows up
- That's enough to kill 2-4 people
- So?
- Again, so? They'll hide behind walls and the ground below them
- The reticule turns red any time you have a shot, meaning all you need to do is get that giant ass reticule on the speck in the distance to do the splash damage... we're not even discussing direct hits.

If there is such a problem with forge sniping why dont people complain more about snipers in general?
Forge gunners dont get the nice zoom scope and are very slow moving unlike a sniper. A good sniper changes positions. Forge gunners are unlikely to change positions till killed.
Also your experiance with charge and shoot does not speak for everyone. I myself have never really gotten used to it and find it much harder to aim if the weapon shoots as soon as its charged unless i am shooting a tank those things are pretty easy to hit especially from above. But if i am tank hunting i am using my breach proto forge ( starts with a w ) to shoot those with a damage mod.
Given all th disadvanteges a forge gun user has i think its very silly to call them OP. Lets list the disadvantages of a forge gunner.
at best 1.5 seconds between shots
1 shot is only likely to take out 1 person IF you hit
4 shots per reload
16 shots normal carry
slow as hell because they are a heavy
no scope to snipe with you rely greatly on a combination of skill and luck to snipe with

The forge gun snipers that are REALLY effective pair up with a logi so really forge guns are not OP but more like very effective in the right circumstances.
If i go it alone and fly a dropship up to a hi spot I have at most 16 shots to use before i have to reload.
Snipers can operate much more effectivly from the same spot a forge gunner might use because they get to carry nanohives if they wish and might be able to stay in that same spot all match.

Snipers can operate much more effectivly from the same spot a forge gunner might use because they get to carry nanohives if they wish and might be able to stay in that same spot all match.
snipers rarely change spots until the realize they have been spotted or need ammo. snipers also have to hit their target to do damage and do less damage then FG splash unless they get a headshot which is harder then getting a splash hit on the FG by a massive amount on moving targets. btw the FG isn't a hard weapon to no scope with and get direct hits with even at near max ranges.

now first off I'm pointing this to FG vrs Vehicles because this is where I see its supposed to be used.


the Assault Forge gun DOES need nerfed because its damage stat alone with charge time.
The damage needs nerfed to be weaker than the normal variant to have a real reason to not just use the assault FG.
the AFG DMG needs nerfed to be 200 dmg weaker than the normal variant to have the three choices of - Speed - Dmg-or mix.
Right now its - Speed AND dmg - dmg - or mix, witch would you choose? yes, unless you have no idea what a FG is you choose the AFG because theres plenty of dmg without any real downs.

now first off I'm pointing this to FG vrs Vehicles because this is where I see its supposed to be used.


the Assault Forge gun DOES need nerfed because its damage stat alone with charge time.
The damage needs nerfed to be weaker than the normal variant to have a real reason to not just use the assault FG.
the AFG DMG needs nerfed to be 200 dmg weaker than the normal variant to have the three choices of - Speed - Dmg-or mix.
Right now its - Speed AND dmg - dmg - or mix, witch would you choose? yes, unless you have no idea what a FG is you choose the AFG because theres plenty of dmg without any real downs.

I am not going to argue if the afg is op or not. However I think a big concern with it is that the maps aren't balanced enough. Typically a good forge gunner gets up to a high Roof. Smart tactic I am not mad. The issue is the 2 ways to counter him are simply defeated. You can fly a dropship up to him and drop some friends off. This is a fine tatic against say a sniper but against a primary a/v weapon it sucks. The other counter a sniper will have troubles killing him why. The heavy can just back up to regen. I think to balance elevation we need to look at how much cover and view they area has.

For dropship only location You should have either very little cover so you need to contend with people shooting at you or at a view limited view of the battlefield. So for the 2 extremes you could have a small rooftop where you can always be shot at with a huge view of the map or enough to room to back up but very limited few of the battle view say a view area looking over a major path to an objective.

If the location has a ladder you should receive more cover/view area. If there are steps leading to your rooftop you should get the most view/cover.

I think changes like these means we could nerf the afg less as well a keep the tatical advantage of rooftop. This will also lead to more small squad fighting to gain the tactical advantages to increase their chances of taking objectives

I have used a forge gun before, thats how I know so much about it. After firing, I am able to immediately charge the second shot. And come to think of it, I think I've seen you up on the top of a building using an assault forge gun before. Sooo what you're saying is just the ignorant bullsh**t coming out of your mouth to try to protect your precious gun, which is probably the only thing you can get a kill with? So, you know, the next time you want to try to counter, you had might as well try to get some better evidence. Your half a page of lies versus my entire post worth of copious amounts of evidence, 99% of which is true, some may be by chance or faltered, since every merc and every shot is different. Now, I'm not going to rack up 2 pages worth of going back and forth with you, because that's just stupid and not worth my time. You'll get your last word, but no one will listen to it.
Except your friends on the roof.

@ Exionous=

You know how many ways we have to counter LLAVs? NONE ATM.

You are just salty but the fact is, its not entirely the FG's fault. Is BAD MAP DESIGN.What makes the Forge gun ''OP'' is the fact that they abuse terrain, but thats the way to use them, thats the way they were meant to be. If you cant effectively get to that point then thats not the Forge gunners fault.

im a Forge gunner and i agree in 2 things.

a)The A Forge gun IS the most powerful variant
b)They need a tweak

The weapon is not OP is just way more powerful than the other Forge guns.


I would:
-Regular Forge guns: Leave them as they are
-Assault Forge guns: Nerf their damage under regular FG's OR INCREASE their damage to around 1800 at ADV level but GREATLY reduce the splash damage AREA so that only DIRECT hits are worth. (and i would probably use the assault variant more if the last was the case XD)
-Breach Forge guns: AFTER the shot is CHARGED, the player is able to move. 6 seconds standing still and then not even being able to move is WAY too much penalty for the damage increase when: 1st you already have to wear a heavy dropsuit to use the FG and 2nd, The speed of the Assault FG is proven to be better than the extra damage of the Breach (6 seconds for 2700 dm or 3000+ dm in 5 secs of the assault forgegun?).

my 2 cents

you want to know how to counter LLAVs...



















tanks. there are counters to LLAV thus you point is made invalid.

its a hard decision to make... if the FORGE GUN was removed or nerfed the...

TANKERS will be over powered..

DROPSHIPS will be balanced...

LAVs will be overpowered...

INFANTRY will be buffed....

SNIPERS will be nerfed (no stationary targets i.e forge gunners)...







the only viable answer i can see is to

BUFF THE DROPSHIP.

reason;-

drop ship wont get shot down when attacking forge gunner on roof

drop ships will finally be balanced

it doesnt impact any of the other roles as much as a nerf to the forge gun would.

and finally...

THE COUNTER TO THE FORGE GUN.

i kinda think the mlt tanks need a price reduction as they die so easily...


its not funny..

The assault variant should deal a lil less damage than the standard variant. But here's the thing. You know what would really help with forge gun sniping? Make the thing have a small blast radius. The thing is meant to take out vehicles which Im pretty sure are larger than any dropsuit. So why must it need blast radius to do direct damage to a LAV or HAV. Skill shooters can still OHK with forge gunners but not make it annoyance by spamming forge rounds. The gun keeps it damage, keeps its effectiveness against vehicles, and can still OHK infantry but more difficult to do. Seems pretty fair to me.

The OP is a genius!!!!! I have used forge guns and I believe they are completely OP, especially if they do more damage than a flipping rail cannon from a tank or installation.

A very satisfied +1 to the OP

Agreed BUT YOU CANT NERF BOTH the splash area AND the Damage becuse then the weapon becomes UNDERPOWERED.
-Either great reduction on splash damage area
-Or reduction to overall damage.

The gun would still be pretty good. (me myself i would go with the splash damage area reduction leaving the damage the same or buffing it)

- A forge gun can be fired almost immediately after the first shot
- Yet 2 shots will kill pretty much anyone because it's not hard to aim with something that's a massive ball of energy that blows up
- That's enough to kill 2-4 people
- So?
- Again, so? They'll hide behind walls and the ground below them
- The reticule turns red any time you have a shot, meaning all you need to do is get that giant ass reticule on the speck in the distance to do the splash damage... we're not even discussing direct hits.

@ Exionous

I've shot LLAvs with 3 shots of an assault FG and they LIVED and then Hide, plus they are so fast that hitting them more than once is pure luck.

I've seen LLAvs take on TANKS, nad guess what? AND WIN.

What you are talking, plasma cannons? LOOOL , swarms? LOOL bro they have no counters .
If you EVEN HIT an LLAV twice with the same weapon is because the driver sucks, and by these standards a Forgunner that sucks can be killed:
by a Scrambler Pistol,Scrambler Rifle,Grenade,Assault rifle of any kind,HMG,another FG, sNiper rifle,Plasma cannon, Mass driver, LLAv, Tank, Dropship, Stationary turret; all 3 types,SMG,Nova knifes,shotguns,flux grenades to the face,Melee,Flaylock pistol,R/E, Proximity mines with a proper trigger, and basically anything that does at least 1HP of damage.

THere by making the whole Original Post invalid >..>

''There's only three ways I've found to kill them:''

YEah well, it depends of the skill of the forge gunner now doesnt it?
Plus i already posted some fixes for the FG's that Forge gunners would agree with. If you dont like them, then HTFU and let Forge guns as they are and deal with it.

AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME

The forge gun's projectile is so large that it instantly kills players...which is why players think it's OP.

If the projectile's size was not as big, it would be harder to get direct hits with, therefore making it only do splash damage. This would keep the direct hits for vehicles, and the splash for infantry, balancing the forge.

its a hard decision to make... if the FORGE GUN was removed or nerfed the...

TANKERS will be over powered..

DROPSHIPS will be balanced...

LAVs will be overpowered...

INFANTRY will be buffed....

SNIPERS will be nerfed (no stationary targets i.e forge gunners)...







the only viable answer i can see is to

BUFF THE DROPSHIP.

reason;-

drop ship wont get shot down when attacking forge gunner on roof

drop ships will finally be balanced

it doesnt impact any of the other roles as much as a nerf to the forge gun would.

and finally...

THE COUNTER TO THE FORGE GUN.

@ Exionous

I've shot LLAvs with 3 shots of an assault FG and they LIVED and then Hide, plus they are so fast that hitting them more than once is pure luck.

I've seen LLAvs take on TANKS, nad guess what? AND WIN.

What you are talking, plasma cannons? LOOOL , swarms? LOOL bro they have no counters .
If you EVEN HIT an LLAV twice with the same weapon is because the driver sucks, and by these standards a Forgunner that sucks can be killed:
by a Scrambler Pistol,Scrambler Rifle,Grenade,Assault rifle of any kind,HMG,another FG, sNiper rifle,Plasma cannon, Mass driver, LLAv, Tank, Dropship, Stationary turret; all 3 types,SMG,Nova knifes,shotguns,flux grenades to the face,Melee,Flaylock pistol,R/E, Proximity mines with a proper trigger, and basically anything that does at least 1HP of damage.

THere by making the whole Original Post invalid >..>

''There's only three ways I've found to kill them:''

YEah well, it depends of the skill of the forge gunner now doesnt it?
Plus i already posted some fixes for the FG's that Forge gunners would agree with. If you dont like them, then HTFU and let Forge guns as they are and deal with it.

Exionous, you didn't respond to a thing I said. I'm curious to hear your counter-arguments to my points.

The assault variant should deal a lil less damage than the standard variant. But here's the thing. You know what would really help with forge gun sniping? Make the thing have a small blast radius. The thing is meant to take out vehicles which Im pretty sure are larger than any dropsuit. So why must it need blast radius to do direct damage to a LAV or HAV. Skill shooters can still OHK with forge gunners but not make it annoyance by spamming forge rounds. The gun keeps it damage, keeps its effectiveness against vehicles, and can still OHK infantry but more difficult to do. Seems pretty fair to me.

What they need to do with forge guns is reduce the range by 50%. Oh, now you have to get too close to my tank. Aww I feel sorry for you, really I do. But you know, you have been shooting my tanks from hidden places and your FG does more damage then my rail gun.
So you know taking a range nerf will force you to start playing tactically to reduce tanks to piles of ruin and rubble. Sniper no sniping.

That's because half of what you said does not refer to the fact of the matter that this gun is still OP, even if we could counter them. By the way, I put all the stuff about "Get Ready to Troll" and "before you go whining and sh*t" and all the stuff you presumably believe is "immature" because I know that riles up kids that love to look tough over the Internet by trying to be as dumb as they possibly can on a forum. And I love making them look like the ignorant sh*ts they are.
Yes, I may seem whiney or biased on this thread, but right now, simple "can you please change this?" isn't going to work anymore. This problem has escalated too far for that now.

What they need to do with forge guns is reduce the range by 50%. Oh, now you have to get too close to my tank. Aww I feel sorry for you, really I do. But you know, you have been shooting my tanks from hidden places and your FG does more damage then my rail gun.
So you know taking a range nerf will force you to start playing tactically to reduce tanks to piles of ruin and rubble. Sniper no sniping.

I can somewhat see your point from a balance perspective, but it doesn't really make any sense thematically. Forge guns are railguns, just like sniper rifles. They're supposed to be long range weapons, because all they do is super charge a chunk of metal with kinetic energy and fire it out at crazy high speeds. Would be a tad strange if my railgun slug barely left the barrel. I'm more in favor of nerfing either the splash radius or damage. And as always, better designed maps.

Well consider this, your railgun out performs the small rail turrets on my tank. By freakin 3 or 4 times more. And yet it is the same size as your forge gun, and being both "Rail Guns" you would expect them to operate in much the same way. Why should the forge gun operate beyond my large actual RAILGUN turret.

Though Heavies need a bit of lovin. I say reduce the optimal range on forge guns and make them less accurate at extreme ranges. Forcing the FG to engage a bit closer, say 250 to 300M optimal.

So why is the forge gun so much more powerful. I need that ***** strapped on my tanks low turret slots.

This is another good idea. Reducing the range so they can't snipe. I like that. +1.

But see now we're discussing why vehicles aren't good enough, not why forge guns are too good. And for the record I 100% agree with you, tanks and dropships definitely need a buff (obviously LAVs don't). So lets maybe wait till 1.5 to see how forge guns hold up against vehicles?

Honestly, I think the major armor buffs in 1.4 will be plenty lovin. Then all they've gotta do is fix the HMG dispersion and make the sentinel suit bonuses not suck, and you've got yourself a totally useable (and fun) role! And then we can work on scouts...

The forge Gun just does too many things too well. It is the only weapon besides the Plasma Cannon that can kill both infantry and vehicles effectively. It actually outclasses the Plasma Cannon in every way other than splash damage and radius. not only that, it make Charged Sniper Rifles fairly useless as well, as the only thing it has better than a forge gun is its scope. As of right now the splash damage on a FG actually out damages most SRs.
As most can agree that the FG was intended to be an AV weapon, i suggest the removal or extreme reduction of its splash damage (and/or) radius. This is because the splash doesn't even really pose a threat to vehicles, but poses a huge threat to infantry, which (is not/ shouldn't be) their intended targets.
I feel that this would do little to no damage to the AV aspect of the weapon, but would make it actually require a much larger amount of player skill to use as an anti-infantry weapon.
That is all.

Also, snipers can not be countered by any means.
nothing can hit a sniper at 599m other than other snipers.

nothing can out dps an AR from 5 meters to 75 meters.

so if oyu want to talk about non-counterable, then nerf snipers and ARs too.

Caldari suits are uncounterable aswell. they have netter ehp than heavies, better movement speed than every other suit save minmintar, and shields themselves are OP. So, those need to be nerfed.

You are just mad that your caldari suit and AR got killed by a forgun.

Well consider this, your railgun out performs the small rail turrets on my tank. By freakin 3 or 4 times more. And yet it is the same size as your forge gun, and being both "Rail Guns" you would expect them to operate in much the same way. Why should the forge gun operate beyond my large actual RAILGUN turret.

Though Heavies need a bit of lovin. I say reduce the optimal range on forge guns and make them less accurate at extreme ranges. Forcing the FG to engage a bit closer, say 250 to 300M optimal.

So why is the forge gun so much more powerful. I need that ***** strapped on my tanks low turret slots.

The forge Gun just does too many things too well. It is the only weapon besides the Plasma Cannon that can kill both infantry and vehicles effectively. It actually outclasses the Plasma Cannon in every way other than splash damage and radius. not only that, it make Charged Sniper Rifles fairly useless as well, as the only thing it has better than a forge gun is its scope. As of right now the splash damage on a FG actually out damages most SRs.
As most can agree that the FG was intended to be an AV weapon, i suggest the removal or extreme reduction of its splash damage (and/or) radius. This is because the splash doesn't even really pose a threat to vehicles, but poses a huge threat to infantry, which (is not/ shouldn't be) their intended targets.
I feel that this would do little to no damage to the AV aspect of the weapon, but would make it actually require a much larger amount of player skill to use as an anti-infantry weapon.
That is all.

Plz dont nerf my gun...

its the only thing i get kills with...

we should nerf everything else so i can be the dominant soldier on the battlefield...

also lets make this game stupid...

YES.

by your very same logic ARs are OP. because:

1. there is no other weapon that can challenge them (except forge guns and thats a 50/50 chance) from 5meters to 75meters.

2. the dps on a milita AR without damage mods proficiency, or headshots can kill a full proto heavy sentinel or proto basic with 1591 ehp in 3.7 seconds. (assault forgun charges in 4 seconds). so AR > forgun.

3. has enough ammo to kill 23 people (48 in clip +300 max). if they dnt miss a single shot. if they miss on averge they can get 12 kills per life.

4. people complain about heavies hiding behind walls how about your Caldari logistics suit gaining back its 500 shields in 2 seconds after jumping behind a wall?

5. splash damage is only 2m and is 233 damage. remember every 4 seconds my assualt forge gun is doing 233 damage of splash. Your milita AR does 467 dps.

6. Forge gun dps.
1533 hp damage /4 seconds = 383.25
milita AR = 467 dps

so milita AR dps > forgun dps.

difference is milita does only 10% damage to vehicles, and forguns do the complete damage to vehicles.



Finall point. if TL;DR
the forgunis the only heavy weapon that works right now do you really want to nerf that too?

You mean like an AR right so Exionous where is your nerf AR thread eh? Thats right you are a Cal Logi AR scrub who cant beat a tactical use of the FG.

first point totally incorrect. Unless by immediate you mean 1.5 seconds. Charge time NEVER changes.
2 also incorrect the actual size of the ball plays nearly no part in hit detection.
How is that different from a good sniper. Totally situational.
splash damadge almost never means instant kill.
Have you ever even used a forge gun or are you bent over and trying to talk using gas and movement of your hands?

I will agree with you on the point number one.

Give it 1200-1300 damage, 1 meter splash radius, and slightly higher splash damage.

However, being unable to reach isn't really a good point. I can have a sniper up there with AV nades and a high quality SMG, and get similar AI results. Only that the suit I would be more inclined to fit it on would have MUCH lower HP, and therefore can be counter sniped. While fat suits can't get CSsed as easily as a lighter frame, you technically could, through perserverence and good aim. And a charge sniper.

Now you pointed that out in point #1, that should be changed. However, the othe forges I think are fine.

should the assault forge base charge up time be changed to 2.75 or 3 secs?

Again as a forge gunner, i wouldn't mind a reduction in splash damage OR splash damage AREA.

But i insist its not needed.

the forge gun in general is overpowered, it should not do the same damage to drop suits that it does to vehicles , its crazy ,the first forge gun to the highest point wins, make it single shot like the poor plasma cannon and make it 75 percent less effective against drop suits,which would still be hundreds of damage, justify it logically with the fact that the projectile is larger than the dropsuit target, like 75 percent larger, so that damage misses, bam , op forge problem solved for vehicles and dropsuits

No way.

As I explained in another thread, the Splash Damage on the FG is there to scatter Vehicle's infantry support. It is very negligible at best about 140 Splash DPS. 277/2 sec charge time.

The FG is perfect where it is at.

Sorry the infantry support should be scattered by your squad infantry players. As you describe it, forge should be able solo tank and his support. I'm not for a forge splash nerf but logic like yours , Jaraiya, just gives it a good point to get one, lol. Perhaps a shield damage only splash is the best of both worlds. You can heavily cripple tanks and infantry, but must hit directly to get the kill. Don't even say hip fire direct hits are hard with a forge, I've used since pre-chrome, and am amazed it took so long to be utilized.

It's a railgun. Making the splash only effect shields makes no sense. It only does 277 splash damage anyway. If you get hit with FG splash, you have more than enough time to get out of the way to avoid getting hit a second time.

I never said it should be able to 1vHAV+support infantry. It makes the infantry scatter so that my team can more easily engage them.

Direct hits are not necessarily "hard", but do require a great deal of skill to pull off with the Assault FG.

The FG is perfect how it is.

I was starting to believe you again, until that laughable part about assault Forge guns. I've used forge guns extensively, and find it easier to aim the assault variant as you don't have to watch the charge meter as with the others.

So you are saying that in your opinion it is easier to time your shots perfectly or lead your targets with perfect aim than it is to walk around with your FG charged up until some poor red dot crosses your path.

LOL nobody watches the charge more meter. When I used the standard FG I went by the sound and the graphic.

I'm convinced you are playing devil's advocate.

Militia Dropships only cost 70k ISK, require no skills trained to fly, and can get you there pretty fast.

If you can't be bothered to fly up there, land, then spray and pray with your AR until you get a kill, then you deserve to get sniped over and over.

If you can't be bothered to load the FREE SNIPER FIT and suppress them, you deserve to get blown to bits by blue balls of death.

If you can't be bothered to work as a team, you deserve to die alone.

No sir, I just see through your smoke and mirrors. You are trying to make the forge, more particularly the assault variant sound as if they are for skilled players only, and they should be left as is because they have so many disadvantages. Which of course is false. The assault is offers the best survivability plus time to shoot, so therfore is the best AV and ant-infantry weapon at the same time. By your own account, you go by sound to tell when the charge is ready. This is beneficial to all forge guns, including the assault, as you can head glitch, fire than are back behind cover as your next shot is charging.

What is this "head glitch" you speak of?

Ohhhhh when you just barely pop your head over the edge of the tower while camping on top! Yea I see snipers and sniper tanks doing that all the time!

I don't sit on top of towers. I stay on the ground where a heavy belongs!

How does a weapon offer survivability? I always though that was the Job of your Dropsuit with Armor and/or Shield modules.

Time to shoot is lowered yes, but that time to shoot is negated by not being able to hold a charge, so you must use a level of intelligence many have not been able to display in order to track your enemy, or time your shots ergo they sit on top of towers!

FG are not OP!

Some players ability to counter FG tower snipers are UP!

I seriously don't get the problem. You have to get a direct hit which is near impossible unless the person is sitting perfectly still. In which case said person deserved to get obliterated.

If you happen to get some splash damage from the FG, well guess what, you have 2 seconds to get up and GTFO!

Two Seconds!

What is the Sprint speed of an Amarr Logi Suit? (the slowest unless I'm mistaken.) 6.4m/s

6.4m/s x 2 seconds = 12.8 m in 2 seconds How much is that minus armor plate bonus? F' it lets just say 9!

So by the time I can charge up my FG you can be at the very least 9 meters if you use plates or more (depending on your Dropsuit and fitting) away from the last point of impact! Why are you still there do you want me to kill you??

What is this "head glitch" you speak of?

Ohhhhh when you just barely pop your head over the edge of the tower while camping on top! Yea I see snipers and sniper tanks doing that all the time!

I don't sit on top of towers. I stay on the ground where a heavy belongs!

How does a weapon offer survivability? I always though that was the Job of your Dropsuit with Armor and/or Shield modules.

Time to shoot is lowered yes, but that time to shoot is negated by not being able to hold a charge, so you must use a level of intelligence many have not been able to display in order to track your enemy, or time your shots ergo they sit on top of towers!

FG are not OP!

Some players ability to counter FG tower snipers are UP!

I seriously don't get the problem. You have to get a direct hit which is near impossible unless the person is sitting perfectly still. In which case said person deserved to get obliterated.

If you happen to get some splash damage from the FG, well guess what, you have 2 seconds to get up and GTFO!

Two Seconds!

What is the Sprint speed of an Amarr Logi Suit? (the slowest unless I'm mistaken.) 6.4m/s

6.4m/s x 2 seconds = 12.8 m in 2 seconds How much is that minus armor plate bonus? F' it lets just say 9!

So by the time I can charge up my FG you can be at the very least 9 meters if you use plates or more (depending on your Dropsuit and fitting) away from the last point of impact! Why are you still there do you want me to kill you??

if forguns are so powerful vs infantry can people explain to me why a GEK out dps an AFG?

[b]compare:
AFG needs 4 seconds to charge to do 1538 damage. so it does 1538 every 4 seconds.

LOL, never said forge were op, I think they are fine. Obviously you can read, but cannot comprehend my statements directed towards you, so I'll just leave you alone. I feel like I just beat a monkey with a stick for being bad, but the monkey can't figure out what is going on.

assault variant sound as if they are for skilled players only, and they should be left as is because they have so many disadvantages. Which of course is false

If I try to charge my AFG at the same time you start shooting your milita AR, and I have max ehp of 1591 you can kill me everytime before I get off a single shot with my AFG.

I have yet to here anyone complaining about forguns explain to me how ARs are NOT OP... OR are infact balanced.
why? because i think its certified fact now that ARs are the only usable weapon other than ADV forguns, snipes and shotguns.

If I try to charge my AFG at the same time you start shooting your milita AR, and I have max ehp of 1591 you can kill me everytime before I get off a single shot with my AFG.

from 5 meters to 75 meters nothing can beat an AR!

why is this^^ not considered OP?

I have lost a lot of respect for many heavies that have resorted to rooftop camping to pad their kdr, even though they can easily get great numbers on the ground.

What makes you think it has anything to do with KDR? I use this tactic because it helps my team. It's also a good way to make lots of ISK.

What makes you think it has anything to do with KDR? I use this tactic because it helps my team. It's also a good way to make lots of ISK.

I am primarily a Sniper. I use complex damage mods and a Charge Rifle, working my way up to level 5 profiency. I have a KDR of 1.6.

"Omg, he must be a bad sniper!" you say. Perhaps. In many matches where I just snipe, I go 20/1.

But I do more than just sit with a sniper rifle. Say there's a tank that's making life difficult for my team? I grab my sniper tank or my AV fit, and go to work. There's a firmly entrenched enemy with a small network of uplinks I can't snipe? I grab my shotgun, my grenades, and jump in, like a madman, shooting and tossing grenades until I die.

My team needs someone to suppress the enemy from calling in so many vehicles? I grab my forge gun and get to work.

Only morons care about KDR. Real players care about contributing to their team. If you like, I could make an alt, play it for a month doing nothing but padding my KDR, and I could come out 800/2.

And as mentioned, blowing up a store bought tank is one of the best things in DUST. I went through a match where I blew up FOUR Aurum Madrugars. I was happy happy happy knowing I punched this guy hard in the wallet.

It does have a much lower damage output compaired to its alternate the proto breach gun. But you cant move when charging the proto and it has a longer charge up time.

@ Exionous=

You know how many ways we have to counter LLAVs? NONE ATM.

You are just salty but the fact is, its not entirely the FG's fault. Is BAD MAP DESIGN.What makes the Forge gun ''OP'' is the fact that they abuse terrain, but thats the way to use them, thats the way they were meant to be. If you cant effectively get to that point then thats not the Forge gunners fault.

im a Forge gunner and i agree in 2 things.

a)The A Forge gun IS the most powerful variant
b)They need a tweak

The weapon is not OP is just way more powerful than the other Forge guns.


I would:
-Regular Forge guns: Leave them as they are
-Assault Forge guns: Nerf their damage under regular FG's OR INCREASE their damage to around 1800 at ADV level but GREATLY reduce the splash damage AREA so that only DIRECT hits are worth. (and i wo

What makes you think it has anything to do with KDR? I use this tactic because it helps my team. It's also a good way to make lots of ISK.