It's a railgun. Making the splash only effect shields makes no sense. It only does 277 splash damage anyway. If you get hit with FG splash, you have more than enough time to get out of the way to avoid getting hit a second time.

I never said it should be able to 1vHAV+support infantry. It makes the infantry scatter so that my team can more easily engage them.

Direct hits are not necessarily "hard", but do require a great deal of skill to pull off with the Assault FG.

The FG is perfect how it is.

I was starting to believe you again, until that laughable part about assault Forge guns. I've used forge guns extensively, and find it easier to aim the assault variant as you don't have to watch the charge meter as with the others.

So you are saying that in your opinion it is easier to time your shots perfectly or lead your targets with perfect aim than it is to walk around with your FG charged up until some poor red dot crosses your path.

LOL nobody watches the charge more meter. When I used the standard FG I went by the sound and the graphic.

I'm convinced you are playing devil's advocate.

Militia Dropships only cost 70k ISK, require no skills trained to fly, and can get you there pretty fast.

If you can't be bothered to fly up there, land, then spray and pray with your AR until you get a kill, then you deserve to get sniped over and over.

If you can't be bothered to load the FREE SNIPER FIT and suppress them, you deserve to get blown to bits by blue balls of death.

If you can't be bothered to work as a team, you deserve to die alone.

No sir, I just see through your smoke and mirrors. You are trying to make the forge, more particularly the assault variant sound as if they are for skilled players only, and they should be left as is because they have so many disadvantages. Which of course is false. The assault is offers the best survivability plus time to shoot, so therfore is the best AV and ant-infantry weapon at the same time. By your own account, you go by sound to tell when the charge is ready. This is beneficial to all forge guns, including the assault, as you can head glitch, fire than are back behind cover as your next shot is charging.

What is this "head glitch" you speak of?

Ohhhhh when you just barely pop your head over the edge of the tower while camping on top! Yea I see snipers and sniper tanks doing that all the time!

I don't sit on top of towers. I stay on the ground where a heavy belongs!

How does a weapon offer survivability? I always though that was the Job of your Dropsuit with Armor and/or Shield modules.

Time to shoot is lowered yes, but that time to shoot is negated by not being able to hold a charge, so you must use a level of intelligence many have not been able to display in order to track your enemy, or time your shots ergo they sit on top of towers!

FG are not OP!

Some players ability to counter FG tower snipers are UP!

I seriously don't get the problem. You have to get a direct hit which is near impossible unless the person is sitting perfectly still. In which case said person deserved to get obliterated.

If you happen to get some splash damage from the FG, well guess what, you have 2 seconds to get up and GTFO!

Two Seconds!

What is the Sprint speed of an Amarr Logi Suit? (the slowest unless I'm mistaken.) 6.4m/s

6.4m/s x 2 seconds = 12.8 m in 2 seconds How much is that minus armor plate bonus? F' it lets just say 9!

So by the time I can charge up my FG you can be at the very least 9 meters if you use plates or more (depending on your Dropsuit and fitting) away from the last point of impact! Why are you still there do you want me to kill you??

What is this "head glitch" you speak of?

Ohhhhh when you just barely pop your head over the edge of the tower while camping on top! Yea I see snipers and sniper tanks doing that all the time!

I don't sit on top of towers. I stay on the ground where a heavy belongs!

How does a weapon offer survivability? I always though that was the Job of your Dropsuit with Armor and/or Shield modules.

Time to shoot is lowered yes, but that time to shoot is negated by not being able to hold a charge, so you must use a level of intelligence many have not been able to display in order to track your enemy, or time your shots ergo they sit on top of towers!

FG are not OP!

Some players ability to counter FG tower snipers are UP!

I seriously don't get the problem. You have to get a direct hit which is near impossible unless the person is sitting perfectly still. In which case said person deserved to get obliterated.

If you happen to get some splash damage from the FG, well guess what, you have 2 seconds to get up and GTFO!

Two Seconds!

What is the Sprint speed of an Amarr Logi Suit? (the slowest unless I'm mistaken.) 6.4m/s

6.4m/s x 2 seconds = 12.8 m in 2 seconds How much is that minus armor plate bonus? F' it lets just say 9!

So by the time I can charge up my FG you can be at the very least 9 meters if you use plates or more (depending on your Dropsuit and fitting) away from the last point of impact! Why are you still there do you want me to kill you??

if forguns are so powerful vs infantry can people explain to me why a GEK out dps an AFG?

[b]compare:
AFG needs 4 seconds to charge to do 1538 damage. so it does 1538 every 4 seconds.

LOL, never said forge were op, I think they are fine. Obviously you can read, but cannot comprehend my statements directed towards you, so I'll just leave you alone. I feel like I just beat a monkey with a stick for being bad, but the monkey can't figure out what is going on.

assault variant sound as if they are for skilled players only, and they should be left as is because they have so many disadvantages. Which of course is false

If I try to charge my AFG at the same time you start shooting your milita AR, and I have max ehp of 1591 you can kill me everytime before I get off a single shot with my AFG.

I have yet to here anyone complaining about forguns explain to me how ARs are NOT OP... OR are infact balanced.
why? because i think its certified fact now that ARs are the only usable weapon other than ADV forguns, snipes and shotguns.

If I try to charge my AFG at the same time you start shooting your milita AR, and I have max ehp of 1591 you can kill me everytime before I get off a single shot with my AFG.

from 5 meters to 75 meters nothing can beat an AR!

why is this^^ not considered OP?

I have lost a lot of respect for many heavies that have resorted to rooftop camping to pad their kdr, even though they can easily get great numbers on the ground.

What makes you think it has anything to do with KDR? I use this tactic because it helps my team. It's also a good way to make lots of ISK.

What makes you think it has anything to do with KDR? I use this tactic because it helps my team. It's also a good way to make lots of ISK.

I am primarily a Sniper. I use complex damage mods and a Charge Rifle, working my way up to level 5 profiency. I have a KDR of 1.6.

"Omg, he must be a bad sniper!" you say. Perhaps. In many matches where I just snipe, I go 20/1.

But I do more than just sit with a sniper rifle. Say there's a tank that's making life difficult for my team? I grab my sniper tank or my AV fit, and go to work. There's a firmly entrenched enemy with a small network of uplinks I can't snipe? I grab my shotgun, my grenades, and jump in, like a madman, shooting and tossing grenades until I die.

My team needs someone to suppress the enemy from calling in so many vehicles? I grab my forge gun and get to work.

Only morons care about KDR. Real players care about contributing to their team. If you like, I could make an alt, play it for a month doing nothing but padding my KDR, and I could come out 800/2.

And as mentioned, blowing up a store bought tank is one of the best things in DUST. I went through a match where I blew up FOUR Aurum Madrugars. I was happy happy happy knowing I punched this guy hard in the wallet.

It does have a much lower damage output compaired to its alternate the proto breach gun. But you cant move when charging the proto and it has a longer charge up time.