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Master Jaraiya wrote:

Doshneil Antaro wrote:

Master Jaraiya wrote:

So you are saying that in your opinion it is easier to time your shots perfectly or lead your targets with perfect aim than it is to walk around with your FG charged up until some poor red dot crosses your path.

LOL nobody watches the charge more meter. When I used the standard FG I went by the sound and the graphic.

I'm convinced you are playing devil's advocate.

No sir, I just see through your smoke and mirrors. You are trying to make the forge, more particularly the assault variant sound as if they are for skilled players only, and they should be left as is because they have so many disadvantages. Which of course is false. The assault is offers the best survivability plus time to shoot, so therfore is the best AV and ant-infantry weapon at the same time. By your own account, you go by sound to tell when the charge is ready. This is beneficial to all forge guns, including the assault, as you can head glitch, fire than are back behind cover as your next shot is charging.

What is this "head glitch" you speak of?

Ohhhhh when you just barely pop your head over the edge of the tower while camping on top! Yea I see snipers and sniper tanks doing that all the time!

I don't sit on top of towers. I stay on the ground where a heavy belongs!

How does a weapon offer survivability? I always though that was the Job of your Dropsuit with Armor and/or Shield modules.

Time to shoot is lowered yes, but that time to shoot is negated by not being able to hold a charge, so you must use a level of intelligence many have not been able to display in order to track your enemy, or time your shots ergo they sit on top of towers!

FG are not OP!

Some players ability to counter FG tower snipers are UP!

I seriously don't get the problem. You have to get a direct hit which is near impossible unless the person is sitting perfectly still. In which case said person deserved to get obliterated.

If you happen to get some splash damage from the FG, well guess what, you have 2 seconds to get up and GTFO!

Two Seconds!

What is the Sprint speed of an Amarr Logi Suit? (the slowest unless I'm mistaken.) 6.4m/s

6.4m/s x 2 seconds = 12.8 m in 2 seconds How much is that minus armor plate bonus? F' it lets just say 9!

So by the time I can charge up my FG you can be at the very least 9 meters if you use plates or more (depending on your Dropsuit and fitting) away from the last point of impact! Why are you still there do you want me to kill you??


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Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 726	Posted - 2013.08.27 04:41:00 - [1] - Quote I will agree with you on the point number one. Give it 1200-1300 damage, 1 meter splash radius, and slightly higher splash damage. However, being unable to reach isn't really a good point. I can have a sniper up there with AV nades and a high quality SMG, and get similar AI results. Only that the suit I would be more inclined to fit it on would have MUCH lower HP, and therefore can be counter sniped. While fat suits can't get CSsed as easily as a lighter frame, you technically could, through perserverence and good aim. And a charge sniper. Now you pointed that out in point #1, that should be changed. However, the othe forges I think are fine.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 730	Posted - 2013.08.29 23:37:00 - [2] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Doshneil Antaro wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: So you are saying that in your opinion it is easier to time your shots perfectly or lead your targets with perfect aim than it is to walk around with your FG charged up until some poor red dot crosses your path. LOL nobody watches the charge more meter. When I used the standard FG I went by the sound and the graphic. I'm convinced you are playing devil's advocate. No sir, I just see through your smoke and mirrors. You are trying to make the forge, more particularly the assault variant sound as if they are for skilled players only, and they should be left as is because they have so many disadvantages. Which of course is false. The assault is offers the best survivability plus time to shoot, so therfore is the best AV and ant-infantry weapon at the same time. By your own account, you go by sound to tell when the charge is ready. This is beneficial to all forge guns, including the assault, as you can head glitch, fire than are back behind cover as your next shot is charging. What is this "head glitch" you speak of? Ohhhhh when you just barely pop your head over the edge of the tower while camping on top! Yea I see snipers and sniper tanks doing that all the time! I don't sit on top of towers. I stay on the ground where a heavy belongs! How does a weapon offer survivability? I always though that was the Job of your Dropsuit with Armor and/or Shield modules. Time to shoot is lowered yes, but that time to shoot is negated by not being able to hold a charge, so you must use a level of intelligence many have not been able to display in order to track your enemy, or time your shots ergo they sit on top of towers! FG are not OP! Some players ability to counter FG tower snipers are UP! I seriously don't get the problem. You have to get a direct hit which is near impossible unless the person is sitting perfectly still. In which case said person deserved to get obliterated. If you happen to get some splash damage from the FG, well guess what, you have 2 seconds to get up and GTFO! Two Seconds! What is the Sprint speed of an Amarr Logi Suit? (the slowest unless I'm mistaken.) 6.4m/s 6.4m/s x 2 seconds = 12.8 m in 2 seconds How much is that minus armor plate bonus? F' it lets just say 9! So by the time I can charge up my FG you can be at the very least 9 meters if you use plates or more (depending on your Dropsuit and fitting) away from the last point of impact! Why are you still there do you want me to kill you?? I have to say, like the OP said, reduce the AFG's direct, and bump up the Splash, as it seems odd the Assault Variant, which usually deals less damage, with a faster ROF, has more Damage then the STD variant.