Damn right you said it and shut up don't nerf scrambler assault pistol they are meant to be heavier as in CPU and PG

Given all th disadvanteges a forge gun user has i think its very silly to call them OP. Lets list the disadvantages of a forge gunner.
at best 1.5 seconds between shots
1 shot is only likely to take out 1 person IF you hit
4 shots per reload
16 shots normal carry
slow as hell because they are a heavy
no scope to snipe with you rely greatly on a combination of skill and luck to snipe with

- A forge gun can be fired almost immediately after the first shot
- Yet 2 shots will kill pretty much anyone because it's not hard to aim with something that's a massive ball of energy that blows up
- That's enough to kill 2-4 people
- So?
- Again, so? They'll hide behind walls and the ground below them
- The reticule turns red any time you have a shot, meaning all you need to do is get that giant ass reticule on the speck in the distance to do the splash damage... we're not even discussing direct hits.

If there is such a problem with forge sniping why dont people complain more about snipers in general?
Forge gunners dont get the nice zoom scope and are very slow moving unlike a sniper. A good sniper changes positions. Forge gunners are unlikely to change positions till killed.
Also your experiance with charge and shoot does not speak for everyone. I myself have never really gotten used to it and find it much harder to aim if the weapon shoots as soon as its charged unless i am shooting a tank those things are pretty easy to hit especially from above. But if i am tank hunting i am using my breach proto forge ( starts with a w ) to shoot those with a damage mod.
Given all th disadvanteges a forge gun user has i think its very silly to call them OP. Lets list the disadvantages of a forge gunner.
at best 1.5 seconds between shots
1 shot is only likely to take out 1 person IF you hit
4 shots per reload
16 shots normal carry
slow as hell because they are a heavy
no scope to snipe with you rely greatly on a combination of skill and luck to snipe with

The forge gun snipers that are REALLY effective pair up with a logi so really forge guns are not OP but more like very effective in the right circumstances.
If i go it alone and fly a dropship up to a hi spot I have at most 16 shots to use before i have to reload.
Snipers can operate much more effectivly from the same spot a forge gunner might use because they get to carry nanohives if they wish and might be able to stay in that same spot all match.

Snipers can operate much more effectivly from the same spot a forge gunner might use because they get to carry nanohives if they wish and might be able to stay in that same spot all match.
snipers rarely change spots until the realize they have been spotted or need ammo. snipers also have to hit their target to do damage and do less damage then FG splash unless they get a headshot which is harder then getting a splash hit on the FG by a massive amount on moving targets. btw the FG isn't a hard weapon to no scope with and get direct hits with even at near max ranges.

now first off I'm pointing this to FG vrs Vehicles because this is where I see its supposed to be used.


the Assault Forge gun DOES need nerfed because its damage stat alone with charge time.
The damage needs nerfed to be weaker than the normal variant to have a real reason to not just use the assault FG.
the AFG DMG needs nerfed to be 200 dmg weaker than the normal variant to have the three choices of - Speed - Dmg-or mix.
Right now its - Speed AND dmg - dmg - or mix, witch would you choose? yes, unless you have no idea what a FG is you choose the AFG because theres plenty of dmg without any real downs.

now first off I'm pointing this to FG vrs Vehicles because this is where I see its supposed to be used.


the Assault Forge gun DOES need nerfed because its damage stat alone with charge time.
The damage needs nerfed to be weaker than the normal variant to have a real reason to not just use the assault FG.
the AFG DMG needs nerfed to be 200 dmg weaker than the normal variant to have the three choices of - Speed - Dmg-or mix.
Right now its - Speed AND dmg - dmg - or mix, witch would you choose? yes, unless you have no idea what a FG is you choose the AFG because theres plenty of dmg without any real downs.

I am not going to argue if the afg is op or not. However I think a big concern with it is that the maps aren't balanced enough. Typically a good forge gunner gets up to a high Roof. Smart tactic I am not mad. The issue is the 2 ways to counter him are simply defeated. You can fly a dropship up to him and drop some friends off. This is a fine tatic against say a sniper but against a primary a/v weapon it sucks. The other counter a sniper will have troubles killing him why. The heavy can just back up to regen. I think to balance elevation we need to look at how much cover and view they area has.

For dropship only location You should have either very little cover so you need to contend with people shooting at you or at a view limited view of the battlefield. So for the 2 extremes you could have a small rooftop where you can always be shot at with a huge view of the map or enough to room to back up but very limited few of the battle view say a view area looking over a major path to an objective.

If the location has a ladder you should receive more cover/view area. If there are steps leading to your rooftop you should get the most view/cover.

I think changes like these means we could nerf the afg less as well a keep the tatical advantage of rooftop. This will also lead to more small squad fighting to gain the tactical advantages to increase their chances of taking objectives

I have used a forge gun before, thats how I know so much about it. After firing, I am able to immediately charge the second shot. And come to think of it, I think I've seen you up on the top of a building using an assault forge gun before. Sooo what you're saying is just the ignorant bullsh**t coming out of your mouth to try to protect your precious gun, which is probably the only thing you can get a kill with? So, you know, the next time you want to try to counter, you had might as well try to get some better evidence. Your half a page of lies versus my entire post worth of copious amounts of evidence, 99% of which is true, some may be by chance or faltered, since every merc and every shot is different. Now, I'm not going to rack up 2 pages worth of going back and forth with you, because that's just stupid and not worth my time. You'll get your last word, but no one will listen to it.
Except your friends on the roof.

@ Exionous=

You know how many ways we have to counter LLAVs? NONE ATM.

You are just salty but the fact is, its not entirely the FG's fault. Is BAD MAP DESIGN.What makes the Forge gun ''OP'' is the fact that they abuse terrain, but thats the way to use them, thats the way they were meant to be. If you cant effectively get to that point then thats not the Forge gunners fault.

im a Forge gunner and i agree in 2 things.

a)The A Forge gun IS the most powerful variant
b)They need a tweak

The weapon is not OP is just way more powerful than the other Forge guns.


I would:
-Regular Forge guns: Leave them as they are
-Assault Forge guns: Nerf their damage under regular FG's OR INCREASE their damage to around 1800 at ADV level but GREATLY reduce the splash damage AREA so that only DIRECT hits are worth. (and i would probably use the assault variant more if the last was the case XD)
-Breach Forge guns: AFTER the shot is CHARGED, the player is able to move. 6 seconds standing still and then not even being able to move is WAY too much penalty for the damage increase when: 1st you already have to wear a heavy dropsuit to use the FG and 2nd, The speed of the Assault FG is proven to be better than the extra damage of the Breach (6 seconds for 2700 dm or 3000+ dm in 5 secs of the assault forgegun?).

my 2 cents

you want to know how to counter LLAVs...



















tanks. there are counters to LLAV thus you point is made invalid.

its a hard decision to make... if the FORGE GUN was removed or nerfed the...

TANKERS will be over powered..

DROPSHIPS will be balanced...

LAVs will be overpowered...

INFANTRY will be buffed....

SNIPERS will be nerfed (no stationary targets i.e forge gunners)...







the only viable answer i can see is to

BUFF THE DROPSHIP.

reason;-

drop ship wont get shot down when attacking forge gunner on roof

drop ships will finally be balanced

it doesnt impact any of the other roles as much as a nerf to the forge gun would.

and finally...

THE COUNTER TO THE FORGE GUN.

i kinda think the mlt tanks need a price reduction as they die so easily...


its not funny..

The assault variant should deal a lil less damage than the standard variant. But here's the thing. You know what would really help with forge gun sniping? Make the thing have a small blast radius. The thing is meant to take out vehicles which Im pretty sure are larger than any dropsuit. So why must it need blast radius to do direct damage to a LAV or HAV. Skill shooters can still OHK with forge gunners but not make it annoyance by spamming forge rounds. The gun keeps it damage, keeps its effectiveness against vehicles, and can still OHK infantry but more difficult to do. Seems pretty fair to me.