The ar is overused not op
There is a difference

Saying it's op just because you die from it more frequently than not doesn't make it op
It just means people find it reliable in it's role of infantry suppression
Scr and ascr are amazing weapons in the right hands (I would know I have prof 5 in both ar and scr)
I do agree with the a balance though.....but for now feel my wrath!

Hey bro, in what FPS game do people NOT spam the AR? IMO, the AR should be the most balanced, most used gun in the game. Maybe you shouldn't post a thread with stupid complaints about a gun that everyone uses.

The ar is overused not op
There is a difference

Saying it's op just because you die from it more frequently than not doesn't make it op

It just means people find it reliable in it's role of infantry suppression

Scr and ascr are amazing weapons in the right hands (I would know I have prof 5 in both ar and scr)
I do agree with the a balance though.....but for now feel my wrath!

The reason people don't like the AR isn't because "Assault rifles" are over powered, it's because there is a class of weapon that has no real drawbacks and are able to stand toe-to-toe with the weapons that are supposed to econtrol a certain niche in their area of expertise while dominating every other weapon. You either spec into ARs or you waste your SP. That acts contrary to the balance and diversity that most people want to see in this game.

I want CCP to introduce the racial AR variants and achive racial symmetry before tweaking everything, but after that either CCP needs to change the AR so it isn't the obvious best weapon to use.


CCP really ****** up calling the Gallente racial rifle the "AR". The scrambler is supposed to be the amarrian ground force's "AR" , but you don't see anybody arguing that it is supposed to account for 90% of the kills that happen most games.

That's true, but it'll be easier to see exactly where the AR should be and what it's exact role is. Any changes CCP would make right now would just be a guess which could make things harder for themselves later.

This hasn't stopped them with regard to the flaylock, despite their being missing variants.

A nerf for the AR is long overdue.

A nerf to the AR without other weapons to fill all the niches this "master of all tades" currently fills could cause too many players to just straight up quit. We need to have racial symmetry for all of the different races "assault rifles" before nerfing the AR.

I'd hunt for the dev post if needed, but I believe it's been stated that 1.4 will be a massive infantry release and 1.5 will entail a balancing pass for all the weapons.

There is hope in sight, so we don't need to nerf the AR out of the game just yet, no matter how much I'd like to see that after what those qq'ers did to my laser rifle.

Actually nobody knows the Damage per clip of the Shotgun unless you can count all those pellets, also the AR is mean't to have its own niche and that is high DPS low range.

why hasn't Mint chip, or wolfman, or other DEVs posted here or on the other nerf AR threads? I see them posting on the Mass Driver nerf threads, flaylock threads... but AR nerf threads they have shown no attention.

If 1.4 doesn't bring me sme significant changes, im quiting DUST. I am pretty sure 1.4 will break or make this game as alot of people seem to share my sentiments. if, BALANCE is not here in 1.4 or shortly after, a arge chunk of gamers will leave.

Its said when players from DUST go back to MAG or CoD due to balancing issues

It's about 10. As the damage per shot on a heavies back is 300-350. Damage per pellet is 30-34 correct?

its sad if that is true because at 4m range out to 50 a milita AR can do 467 dps and a shotgun does 300-350 at 4m out to 6m. 7 and farther your getting only about 150-200, then at 10m on its 75-50 damage up to 0 damage at 20m.

So, every other weapon in this game gets nerfed just as soon as the AR nerf brigade gets going.

OP or Not, the AR is ruining Dust. This weapon is so overused it's just stupid. The weapon, in pubs, accounts for as many kills as 11 of the 14 weapons combined. Combined.

Does that sound like balance or diversity? no, it isn't.

CCP - Are other weapons supposed to compete with the AR? They aren't.

It's about damn time that CCP approaches balance with, you know, usage balance in mind.

You can not control peoples actions I have had some amazing fights with AR versus SR. I choose the SR because it was more original, new, and not so damn OP.

AR vs ScR is pretty well balanced right now, IMO. The basic SCR is perfect for winning the mid range game and spot removal I love popping a logi as they try to provide support for a squad, or taking out that uplink from range. If I'm forced into CQC I can just bring my aSCR and give any AR user a run for their money.

Nerfing the AR would make my weapon then seem overpowered. We need the other racial weapons and new heavy weapons before we nerf the crap out of the AR.

When heavies are using GEK Assault Rifles over HMGs for area denial/Infantry suppression, there's a problem.

AR vs ScR is pretty well balanced right now, IMO. The basic SCR is perfect for winning the mid range game and spot removal I love popping a logi as they try to provide support for a squad, or taking out that uplink from range. If I'm forced into CQC I can just bring my aSCR and give any AR user a run for their money.

Nerfing the AR would make my weapon then seem overpowered. We need the other racial weapons and new heavy weapons before we nerf the crap out of the AR.

Does anyone ever take into consideration the map that is being played and the weapons used?

The current maps promote use of the AR because of the distance and layout. As infantry I am gimping myself if I use a shot gun on Manus Peak. A sniper rifle on skim junction limits the amount of action I will see. Currently without all the racial variants of weapons in the game the AR is best weapon to be used in the majority of situations, this does not make the weapon OP. To me OP means there is no counter , clearly there are multiple counters to AR, bot h in weapon use and tactics. Too many threads on OPness and too few requesting the rest of the items be added sooner rather than later.

Once all the rifles are available, there needs to be a militia version available with each racial variant included on starter fits so that new players aren't funneled into using the Gallente rifle.

The AR is OP now. If it's the case that with a balanced AR, the SCR is revealed to be OP, then, well, that will need balanced as well. I don't think it will come to this though, because the SCR has some downsides that the AR does not.

Nerfing the AR is necessary for balance. Hiding some other imbalance can not be an excuse.

Still. FLAYLOCKS....

I keep bringin it up because it is an outstanding case. No one considered the maps it was used on, the people who died to it, and all its counters (hill, range, mobility, weapons that countered it, nor tactics that countered it). They just QQ'd OP and it was nerfed. thats it.

So, i dn't want to hear the is BS, because the same case was true of FLAYLOCKs, but to a greater degree, because way more people used ARs than flaylocks anyway.

Explain that way

We'll be closely watching your feedback on these changes as well as monitoring the data to see how they play out live after 1.3 rolls out. As we see Flaylocks and Contact Grenades being used more and more, we had to do something about it and quickly, so players start coming back to the other grenade and sidearm options we offer in game.

True enough, but this won't make the current AR any less OP.

This is under the assumption that all the racial rifles are rebalanced to have their own advantages, disadvantages and ranges. Hopefully we won't just be getting 2 more rifles that are less effective than the Gallente rifle that's good at everything.

The point I am trying to make is that actual lasting balance can't be done right now. We need to have the rail rifle and the combat rifle before it's possible to change the numbers in a way that will have a meaningful and lasting impact on game balance.

no we need to nerf the AR now, and then when the new rifles come out if the AR is UP buff it.

Thats what CCP does to every other gun. the AR should be no exception. Period

Well, if I were a betting man....


Secondly, CCP seems fine to nerf other weapons even though all the racial variants aren't in game. They also seem to be fine using the overuse of a weapon, or it's use outside of it's intended role as justifications.

All of this applies to the current AR in the current game.