Use the Frontline Militia Suit; Notice K/D, Notice how everyone with proto drops like flies, create opinion.

He is a GAYLOCKER

The weapon we call the AR has no real life analog.

The real life AR uses an intermediate power cartridge that's good for taking down lightly armored infantry at range in the hands of a skilled marksman.

The Dust 514 AR lets out a stream of plasma desgined to rip trough anything that's close enough.

The Gallente AR should be the best SMG in the game. it's efficacy at range should be an issue with the gun.

What the game needs more than any buff/nerf is racial symmetry. once all the other racial rifles are in place then we can actually get some semblance of balance.

He is a GAYLOCKER

Indeed.

I see all over this thread "Oh, but in real-life its the most used weapon on the battlefield!"

Well, this isn't real-life is it?

GAR-Short Range, High ROF, Moderate Damage, Bullet hose.

I'll bold the bits that it fits.

GAR-Short Range, High ROF, Moderate Damage, Bullet hose.

When the Caldari SMG comes, the GAR should get its range, provided it comes with the Racial ARs.

I agree that balance is rather difficult to achieve through what we have now, but several things can be done.

Change the fricking Name. I remember we we're saying this back in Open Beta, why wasn't it done?

Bump the ROF slightly. Enough so it bumps the DPS to something like 450, but not enough so that it sounds different.

Like I said, decrease the effective range. When I say that, I mean the range which the damage stops going down.

The Combat rifle should get the GARs current DPS, 425, and the CRR should get a DPS of around 400.

Then Several classes need buffs, along with guns.

Ignore variants of the same weapon like the TACAR, and the Breach etc which completely screw up this theoretical calculation of weapon damages and DPS.

Gallente Plasma rifle.
DPS= 500
Damage per shot= 35.39
ROF= 850 (full auto)
Range 35/60
Clip=45
Least dispersion, most kick

Minmatar Combat rifle
DPS= 388
Damage per shot= 38.8
ROF= 600 (full auto, burst)
Range 45/70
Clip= 40

Amarr Scrambler rifle, possibly assault.
DPS= 318
Damage per shot= 47.7
ROF= 400 (burst, full auto breach)
Range 55/80
Clip= 32

Caldari Rail rifle.
DPS= 269
Damage per shot= 64.56
ROF= 250 (single shot)
Range 65/90
Clip= 25
Most dispersion, least kick

All of these numbers are made to reflect the % difference of DPS and range into damage. Then using that damage to reflect a clip size with a total damage of 1500 then rounded slightly up.

not trolling... just curious what you are getting at or the point of this post. is it in response to something?

not trolling... just curious what you are getting at or the point of this post. is it in response to something?

So, every other weapon in this game gets nerfed just as soon as the AR nerf brigade gets going.

OP or Not, the AR is ruining Dust. This weapon is so overused it's just stupid. The weapon, in pubs, accounts for as many kills as 11 of the 14 weapons combined. Combined.

Does that sound like balance or diversity? no, it isn't.

CCP - Are other weapons supposed to compete with the AR? They aren't.

It's about damn time that CCP approaches balance with, you know, usage balance in mind.

Post above my post above, and a post in this thread I wrote stating this just with no numbers.

ah.... kinda agree... but there are questions i guess... is it a blaster or rail? aren't the sniper rifles the rail rifles? gallente are kinda complicated at what their ground specialty would be since in the lore of new eden, they specialize in electronic warfare and use hybrid weapons...

EDIT: forgot to add... i think that minmatar rifles should be the single shot, since SMG covers the short range projectile weapon... single shot long range, SMG is autocannon equivalent right? or is SMG a hybrid? i dont have dust on so cant read discription

You'd do better with the AR.

Like I said, there are people that don't use the AR, but it's not because the AR isn't the best gun in the game.

The AR is a blaster, the SMG is a projectile, the CR is going to be a projectile, and so on, and so one.

-right... but the sniper rifle is a rail, correct? AR is the short range for the race
-SMG is short range for minnie, so long range rifle would be similar to TAC yes?
-amarr has scrambler stuff, their long range is laser rifle
-gallente use other races' weapons but usually compensate with a either a good tank or good bonuses to support therefore they would not have a race rifle but get other stuff instead

i know this may be off topic, but im just trying to stick to the new eden lore

Ugh, another Edit: just throwing ideas... not arguing...

The AR we have now is a Gallante weapon, when I said CR, I meant combat rifle, and its going to be the burst AR.

The Rail Rifle is going to be Railgun like the current Sniper.

The minis are eventually going to get the precision rifle.

1st off, no.
The assault Rifle is GOOD at was is supposed to do.
Kill , and be effective at different ranges and circumstances .

2nd
What CCP needs to Do is to Buff all the other weapons to AR level except some of them,(Scram Rifle is ok/ Forgegun is ok/ Smg's are ok, Shotguns are ok....),and then Ignore AR players who every single time they get killed by something that is not an AR they whine for a nerf.....

And before someone says that IM the same ,since i asked for a nerf on the Flaylock?
Yeah i asked for nerfs on flay-locks but i USED them too.....

Sooooo true.

I'm almost 8mil sp and haven't touched an AR for more than a couple matches because I like the challenge of crapier weapons. I would say I'm a decent but not great player, especially for running shotgun and MD before 1.2. Anyways I got so sick of AR dominance, I threw 3 points into AR and bought an AUR duvolle. I went 6 - 2 with 8 assists and over 1000 WP in my first try.

What the hell are the AR drawbacks? I get MD qqing from player, I get 18 freaking ammo that's nearly 5 kills max before needing a nano. TAC gets 300 rounds with the games best range not incl sniper and no overheat mechanic? Jeez. Don't think ill e going back.

lmao thats full of ****... Gaylocker

Current reload time for the AR is 3.0 so um......3.25 is not a buff (LOL)

No I was thinking (if the only change to the ASCR is faster overheating) then the AR reload time should be brought down to a maximum of 2.5 (same as the ASCR)....and depending on how strong the overheating mechanic is for the ASCR and how many rounds the keep in their mag......possibly down to 2.0.

Edit: In fact on reviewing this I would say if the reload time for the AR was to be 2.5 and the scrambler only got a slight nerf in the OH mechanic then the ASCR reload time should be brought up to 3.0 seconds instead of 2.5.

Um you realize that with that score...............unless the enemy was redlined and you never saw anyone because of it.......that is a horrible score...I feel bad when I go 12-2 because I played badly that game. LOL if you are still using the Tac.....Noone has even come close to killing me with the Tac since the Tac nerf. If you actually come from using the MD I dont u/s how your kills arent more? I speced 1 lvl into the MD to verify it was OP and LOLed and I facestomped every protosuit I faced.....flux nades???? Only need them if there is a large group of enemies otherwise the MD easily destroys all in 3-4 shots (unless they are a heavy).

If the AR's damage was nerfed proportionately per level to have the same dps as the breach AR we would be on our way toward balancing.


CURRENT:
breach AR damage per shot = 51
breach AR rpm = 400
breach AR dps = 340
breach AR actual dps = 374
breach AR dps with 15% proficiecny = 430


STD AR damage per shot = 34 (33% less damage than breach. [67% of the damage a breach does})
STD AR rpm = 750 (has a 85% higher fire rate than breach)
STD AR dps = 425
STD AR actual dps = 467.5
STD AR dps with 15% proficiecny = 537.6

As you can see the std AR is clearly a supperior weapon.



SUGGESTED CHANGES:
breach AR damage per shot = 51
breach AR rpm = 400
breach AR dps = 340
breach AR actual dps = 374
breach AR dps with 15% proficiecny = 430


STD AR damage per shot = 27.5 (46% less damage than breach. {54% of the damage a breach does})
STD AR rpm = 750 (has a 85% higher fire rate than breach)
STD AR dps = 343.75
STD AR actual dps = 378.125
STD AR dps with 15% proficiecny = 434.8