One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP.

Ive been trying to say this same thing.

Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust.

In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here.

The biggest whiners are clearly those asking for repecs, and the AR nerf brigade.

One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they paid money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.

So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.

I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.

I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.

Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.

CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.

Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy.

Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time.

Players "wasted" SP to bandwagon on the next OP item. First it was the TAR, then it was the cal-logi's super shields, now its the flaylock. It was the player's fault for investing SP with the intention to exploit an item.

Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust.

Yeah but nerfs in Planetside 2 always seem final, like its something they never revisit or readjust again. 5-7 USD down the drain per gun they nerf and they always seem to nerf the best seller.

They wasted their SP on their own free will knowing full well that whatever they spec into could change any day. It only takes about 400K SP to get into a STD racial fit. Let's face it, you can still do well in a standard suit if you have any skill.

wasting a few dollars is nowhere near as aggravating then wasting a months worth of time to grind for something that eventually is rendered useless.

"oh m favorite gun just got nerfed, better throw my money at the game for the next FOTM"

For me the average gun takes me two months to unlock in planetside as a casual player.

In Dust 514 I had just about every gun type, base suit, module, base vehicle, unlocked by week one after reset.

Good players don't need prototype gear.

For me the average gun takes me two months to unlock in planetside as a casual player.

In Dust 514 I had just about every gun type, base suit, module, base vehicle, unlocked by week one after reset.

Good players don't need prototype gear.

Also I am probably a different sort of player, I generally gravitate towards weapons that I feel better in use, for example my favorite type of sniper rifle in most games is generally the closest thing to a bolt action rifle they have because the way the function usually is a very peculiar. I just find it upsetting that they would go to lengths to nerf a sniper rifle to do less damage than some small caliber pistols in that game.

Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust, you have to work for everything. Boosters just let you work a little less.


in planetaide 2, you can just throw money at the game, and instantly get what you want. You can't do that in Dust.

Ive been trying to say this same thing.

Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust.

In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here.

You literally have no ground to stand on with that argument IWS. You are a terrible player, and I have roflstomped you every single time I've played against you in instant battles.

You wouldn't last a second in PC against some of the opponents I've faced as part of PFBHz and TP.

You cannot say you don't need proto gear in this game, not when you're opponents are rocking all proto and playing as hard as they can.

You literally have no ground to stand on with that argument IWS. You are a terrible player, and I have roflstomped you every single time I've played against you in instant battles.

You wouldn't last a second in PC against some of the opponents I've faced as part of PFBHz and TP.

You cannot say you don't need proto gear in this game, not when you're opponents are rocking all proto and playing as hard as they can.

That's a good thing...


ITs not P2W

Tell 'em Z.
I notice that almost all of the players that say "NO MOAR RESPECZ EVARR" are bad players, noobs, and CCP fanboys. There's a reason the oldest players who were loyal to this game for a solid year quit- it doesn't get better and their advice was ignored. Now we're seeing the players who started playing near the end of the closed beta and the beginning of the open beta getting rather bothered, as it seems that the game took 4 steps back since Chromosome; as if they ignored all of our feedback.

I love this game and I've spent a lot of money on it, but I think I speak for a lot of the older players when I say: "Battlefield 4 looks pretty sweet." I want this game to succeed because I'm good at it and I love playing it, but CCP isn't making progress since Chromosome. Seriously, just bring us back to Chromosome, completely, and re-evaluate from there. It was an awesome build and was pretty balanced.

Let me inform you of my situation:

I specced into tanks, mass drivers, and the callogi. I specced into tanks in the beginning of Uprising because they were pretty good in Chromo, but they turned out to be absolutely awful due to having literally everything nerfed. So they buffed out resistance to 10% with a million SP investment and buffed infantry wqeapons 10% for free. Then they buffed our HP about 1000 points and that was fine bc I specced into logi lavs which were finally financially beneficial, if not boring; until i realized that everyone would use super lavs which meant everyone would spec into proto AV to counter them. Now i can't tank at all because everyone has proto AV in pubs AND pc. Then i specced into the callogi mass driver right before they announced the nerf- i spent 6 million SP getting that suit. Now I have a crap suit that i dont want anymore and crap tanks that arent worth their huge price tag (another 6 mil). All i have left is the llav, but that will be the next thing to get nerfed, after the flaylock- then i will have no effective suit and i will probably quit because i would have wasted hundreds of dollars and several months playing a game that punished me for doing well. I would like a respec- id even pay for it so i can have fun, again, but CCP insists on not letting us, so eventually, everyone will be bored with their current fit, and without vets encouraging new players to keep playing this game, nobody will stay and the game will die. CCP has to realize that if they dont appease their core audience, they will never aquire more players because we are the guys buying six months of boosters in advance, blogging about dust, and telling our friends to play- not casual CoD bois who are just waiting for bf4 to come out.

That's all I have.

Night

Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust, you have to work for everything. Boosters just let you work a little less.


in planetaide 2, you can just throw money at the game, and instantly get what you want. You can't do that in Dust.

Agreed, Planetside 2 is a hore.


Munch

LOL, these threads always start the same "I know somebody who quit because of no respec" Oh boo hoo. No one cares. We still enjoying killing clones in New Eden.

You and the other 1500 players of Dust when the vets leave? yah, you wont have a game by that time so we'll see you in bf4, CoD, Destiny, and ps2 to stomp you there like we stomp you here.

I doubt the vets amount to even 15% of the playerbase.

You and the other 1500 players of Dust when the vets leave? yah, you wont have a game by that time so we'll see you in bf4, CoD, Destiny, and ps2 to stomp you there like we stomp you here.

You and the other 1500 players of Dust when the vets leave? yah, you wont have a game by that time so we'll see you in bf4, CoD, Destiny, and ps2 to stomp you there like we stomp you here.

Besides a respec will come again soon enough, CCP basiscally state that logistic suit bonus are basically temporary. So anyone speccing into a logo could potentially not like the choice they chose. The ones crying no respec will soon join the masses asking for one when they become effected as well

Oh please. The vets are just as arrogant and self entitled like 13 year old bratty gamers who whine and take to internet petitions to get some silly agenda going.

Yea we will have a game. And you will return. And we will knock your dusty butt out of your wheelchair you old man. And you not stomping anything...anywhere.

Can you say, delusions of grandeur?

Trolls, of course. They must not have see dead games, dead games where not even a single match can be filled because the playerbase has simply moved on. We're trying to stop dust from dieing yet these trolls who are so anti-respec are killing the game w/out even knowing it. Its most obviously expressed by the people who say "bye, leave we dont want you then anyways." UMM the games this tiny and you want people to leave? And CCP is listening to you? Well. Now what kind of a predicament are we in here...hmm.

Can you say, "supported this game on hope and skill boosters, alone, for a year and questioning CCP's resolve just like Sony is?" You all realize that if you **** off the biggest long-time supporters of Dust, then Sony will notice and cut CCP off because they dont understand console gamers. There is plenty of bad press from noobs playing this game- imagine what bad press from hundreds of vets would do. If I were CCP, i'd listen to its core group who love this game and want it to succeed.

Do you honestly think Dust has ANY chance of competing with bf4 or destiny in it's current state?

no YOU can't see em. I catch em quiet room every now and then. You know why? Cause people are getting squads together in merc quarters, having a chat or laugh or two.

Yall not trying to stop Dust from dying because all yall do is respond with threats "vets this, vets that". "CCP do this or we would leave" Is that how yall got your mommies and daddies to respond to your spoiled rants? Oh shut the heck up. Getting tired of you old men whining all the time.

It's like you missed your show of the Price is Right and all hell is breaking loose.

Especially you, you've been talking about leaving for how long now? Forums talking about "doom and gloom" and the actual activity on Dust are two different things.

Yet it's vets that are punishing new players the most with pubstomping. You doing your best to make damn sure you are dust's only lifeblood apparently. Is it so you can have a stranglehold over the devs like you seem to think you do now? Cause let me tell you, I won't play a game guided by that BS. You say love this game and want it to succeed but all I'm seeing is BS like the OP saying "we don't care what you want from this game, do it our way or we're out."

Yet it's vets that are punishing new players the most with pubstomping. You doing your best to make damn sure you are dust's only lifeblood apparently. Is it so you can have a stranglehold over the devs like you seem to think you do now? Cause let me tell you, I won't play a game guided by that BS. You say love this game and want it to succeed but all I'm seeing is BS like the OP saying "we don't care what you want from this game, do it our way or we're out."

Until a real baseline of balance is established and the game's content is filled out I really think that respects should be allowed with each patch or at least a refund of the skills that a directly impacted by a balance change until we reach that baseline. I believe this would allow CCP to actually have more freedom to perform balance adjustments in a meaningful way.

The only issue is that the respect system really has to be automated (and that would mean coding), so that it doesn't eat up a HUGE chunk of resources in dealing with the respects by hand.

I know a lot of people want to point their fingers at Cal Logis and go "HA HA", but quite frankly there is no reason to punish players for using the resources given to them to the best of their ability. It's so important that we move forward together as a community to improve this game.

For me that means Devs communicating to the community changes that they plan BEFORE they are locked in and giving those optional respecs (character or skill specific) to allow both the developers and the community the freedom to test and find the game balance that we are all looking for.

Explain how you've wasted any SP? If this is about Logistics suits, the adjustments they're making are to try and let them perform their roles the way they were supposed to.

The only CPM member with half a clue.

This is wasted SP because most of the Logi don't have any of those support skills armor rep tool nanite inject. None of that stuff. All that stuff costs SP to proto it up. Making it worthless. Oh well just means I can't help anybody else out now I have to spec just for me now. You guys think it's a great thing but in the end the people that will suffer the most is everybody else that depends on the Logi to uplink and drop ammo. It won't be there no more.

How does having to spend SP on it make it worthless? And you also read that they're receiving bonuses for that equipment in the next build, right? One of which will likely be to fitting so that you can get them on the suit more easily?

Honestly, I'm looking forward to speccing back into running support.

How does having to spend SP on it make it worthless? And you also read that they're receiving bonuses for that equipment in the next build, right? One of which will likely be to fitting so that you can get them on the suit more easily?

Honestly, I'm looking forward to speccing back into running support.

Exploit. How is using an item, the way the game designers put it into the game an exploit? Obviously the game designers themselves did not think it was overpowered, or else they wouldn't have put it in the game that way. The designers didn't deem it OP, the forums did.
And to call it an exploit is completely incorrect. The players specced into it for the qualities it had at the time. CCP doesn't immediately come out and say(or refute) that "HEY these items are too good! Don't spec into them!"
No. CCP just changes them without any real communication to the players.

Imagine a newbro, never heard of these forums sees the flaylocks in action and spends his whole first month of playin to get proto flaylocks. Hes gets them. He loves them. THEN the next day the nerf comes. His flaylocks been nerfed to absolute garbage. He then proceeds to curse at the game, point out its flaws, and leaves. Deletes dust off his console.
Similar situations to this story have happend thousands of time on dust.

Go figure he's the only one that has been successful....

Link plz? I have not seen this.

Every FPS Developer ALWAYS changes stats for balancing purposes. You people need to grow up. The last respec was needed to because of a change in the skill tree. There is no change in the skill tree this time, only stats. So either stop the QQing and leave or MTFU. No player with real skills need to hear that your clutch suit and gun got nerfed so your going to leave with your BFF.

And every FPS developer has provided a means for players to adapt to the changes they make.

In dust? You get complete silence from CCP and HTFU from the community.

Every FPS Developer ALWAYS changes stats for balancing purposes. You people need to grow up. The last respec was needed to because of a change in the skill tree. There is no change in the skill tree this time, only stats. So either stop the QQing and leave or MTFU. No player with real skills need to hear that your clutch suit and gun got nerfed so your going to leave with your BFF.

And every FPS developer has provided a means for players to adapt to the changes they make.

In dust? You get complete silence from CCP and HTFU from the community.

That's horseshit. There is a game called BF3, and in this game there was a gun called the USAS-12( U SUK AT SHOOTING) which was nerfed through the earth. The dev never provided a means for players to adapt to the changes of that gun. Did you know what happened? It was never used again, and the only time you did see that gun, a SKILLED player was using it.

Why doesn't anyone wait until this game has all the content patched in as well as stats balanced. Is CCP really supposed to give out respec's everytime they make miniscule changes like this?

These things happen to every game, and the minute MR. KDR thinks they can't adapt because the upcoming changes aren't going to make him godly anymore, he jumps to the forums to cry and say he's leaving.

I play Amarr and the changes to the logistics suit had me reevaluate what I was going to have to give up. Now most of my modules have to be basic/advanced if I want to add a sidearm and a 3rd equipment. The extra PG doesn't help either. Yeah yeah the Amarr got a much needed buff, but caldari had to be nerfed somehow along with the flaylock and TAC AR. Those 3 set ups were god mode and you can't deny that.

wasting a few dollars is nowhere near as aggravating then wasting a months worth of time to grind for something that eventually is rendered useless.

planetside2: "oh my favorite gun just got nerfed, better throw my money at the game for the next FOTM"

Dust514: "Oh, my highly speced suit was just rendered useless, welp... there goes a month of my time"

Most people do pubstomp ya, and its a damn big problem for noobies and unfortunately it makes a cycle that everyone does once they attain proto, yet for this reason you troll the forums and slam people asking for a respec? Last i checked it was you people, who have cried about nerfing everything in sight who have had a stranglehold on dev decisions. We're constantly ignored as people like you troll the forums posting your opinion over & over. How many times have you denied people asking for respecs today? I've seen you on just about every respec thread being a complete Ahole

Players "wasted" SP to bandwagon on the next OP item. First it was the TAR, then it was the cal-logi's super shields, now its the flaylock. It was the player's fault for investing SP with the intention to exploit an item.

Did those players who use the gun grind for one month to be able to use ONLY THAT GUN? No? Well it is a bad comparison, isn't it.

See, your wrong again and pulling the old "SP" card out. Every FPS shooter nowadays has some type of grind to unlock something, the only difference in dust is you spend SP to get that particular item. It may not be as long as dust but there is still a grind.

So......what was that about comparison?

Did he say it doesn't appeal to the new bros? How is that possible when everybody started at the bottom at one point of time. Listen, when I first set my boots off to become a merc in New Eden, I got my butt handed to me on a silver platter with Quafe to help wash it down.

Did I stop? No. So yea, it does appeal to newbros. How could you say something so ignorant? It takes some fortitude to keep going against you "vets" who decide to pick on newbies who come out in the militia default fits and run across you proto pub stomping "vets" who are complaining about a "broken" game that yall demand change from with threats to leave. what a mind eff.

You are certainly most welcome to your opinion. But to take such an arrogant stance on the matter is absolutely absurd sir. I am appalled by your sentiments. Vets been saying they are leaving for the longest. None of those bingo night players has left yet.

And you know what? Dust 514 keeps on trucking along...with or without the "vets". Heck, it's time for some new "vets". They are just around the corner.

Why not just wait until the next major build update? Skill tree needs work, as in making it into an actual skill tree and not linear SP sinks, and bonuses across the board are probably going to be addressed. It's only a matter of time.

Why not just wait until the next major build update? Skill tree needs work, as in making it into an actual skill tree and not linear SP sinks, and bonuses across the board are probably going to be addressed. It's only a matter of time.

That's exactly my point. Every time CCP makes changes to balance the game people are going to come back to these forums and QQ about it saying CCP is bunch of $#!+ dev. I say wait until everything is fixed, all content is in and then ask for respecs. Right now asking for respecs because of 1 suit is ridiculous.

I definitely would agree, however i think we need a respec option sooner than later because many people are leaving, like nao-
otherwise id say ya stick it out til all the major contents released and balance is good then do a final respec. Unfortunately this is all supposed to be SOON tm and players are fed up of waiting for things we've been promised since closed beta and still dont even have a rough timeframe on.

One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they paid money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.

So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.

I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.

I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.

Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.

CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.

Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy.

wasting a few dollars is nowhere near as aggravating then wasting a months worth of time to grind for something that eventually is rendered useless.

planetside2: "oh my favorite gun just got nerfed, better throw my money at the game for the next FOTM"

Dust514: "Oh, my highly speced suit was just rendered useless, welp... there goes a month of my time"

You literally have no ground to stand on with that argument IWS. You are a terrible player, and I have roflstomped you every single time I've played against you in instant battles.

You wouldn't last a second in PC against some of the opponents I've faced as part of PFBHz and TP.

You cannot say you don't need proto gear in this game, not when you're opponents are rocking all proto and playing as hard as they can.

You and the other 1500 players of Dust when the vets leave? yah, you wont have a game by that time so we'll see you in bf4, CoD, Destiny, and ps2 to stomp you there like we stomp you here.

your comments make you look like a POS ... who are you to say who is and isn't good.... and why would you feel the need to pull that card even if its true? shame on you....

everything you say now is invalid imo cause you seem like an elitist and a bully.... I have no time for either...

The biggest whiners are clearly those asking for repecs, and the AR nerf brigade.

When i started this game i thought it was full of bs, it had way too long grinding times, it had bugs up the wazoo, and the game itself simply was not as fun as other shooters, the only reason i stayed was because i sold most of my games and didnt have an FPS. I now hear the exact same complaints from the guys in team chat that quit after a day. And yes those vets HAVE left, not only do i know around 40-50 people that i use to squad with that havent even turned dust on in the last....mm around a month id say? Mainly since the new build, but the ACTUAL PLAYER NUMBERS are dropping. Take a look. We've went from 9000+ at the start of the build to around 5000 now. The stats are undeniable.

One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they paid money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.

So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.

I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.

I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.

Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.

CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.

Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy.

Yea and you have an application that keeps track of that. Stop it. Stop it now. It's always one of you, either on forums or on youtube, defending to your last breath that the ACTUAL PLAYER NUMBERS are dropping. The whole irony of it all is that you guys talk poop all day in the forums. Fine. People enjoying Dust are still populating the servers.

You mercenaries have grown to become soft as daisy petals. Throw some dirt on it and stop being a Nancy.

Those same guys you chatted with would be the same guys I don't talk to. "Hey everybody is jumping off the bridge, including the vets...they must be on to something" LOL! Yea right, okay. Go right ahead. I will take the vets spot with no problem. I preferred a challenge. But if old men are willing to roll over and die...so be it, grandpapas.

your comments make you look like a POS ... who are you to say who is and isn't good.... and why would you feel the need to pull that card even if its true? shame on you....

everything you say now is invalid imo cause you seem like an elitist and a bully.... I have no time for either...

Oddly enough I've never cried for a nerf, but yes, I DO feel strongly about respecs. Yes, if you keep making threads on it I'll likely show up. And yes, I'll continue to argue against them. I don't think they have a purpose here and I think they ruin our progression system. I have yet to see an argument against that, only claims that people will get bored and leave or that people shouldn't train with balance in mind. Personally I think FOTM chasing needs to end as soon as possible. Denying respecs is a strong step towards that.

I think I've been rather fair and tempered with most of my posts, but if it's being an a-hole, so be it. You are not the only one passionate here.

The biggest whiners are clearly those asking for repecs, and the AR nerf brigade.

CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.

One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they paid money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.

So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.

I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.

I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.

Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.

CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.

Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy.

+1 like for speaking alot of peoples and my mind

As someone who played in squads with ZDubb when we were in PFBHz, I am going to stop you right there. ZDubb is anything but a bully. In fact whenever we had a random with us, he and his pal Spinner were always willing to help the random out.

Give them their respec but take a percentage off of their total SP.

And if i didnt do any of the things you mentioned and i just want to fly my derpships like a boss again?

One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they paid money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.

So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.

I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.

I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.

Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.

CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.

Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy.

M.A.G. is happening all over again.


once the vets playerbase is gone it's over, no decent player will continue to play a game if there is no competition left

Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time.

There should be a respec but not now. Once all the dropsuits and most or all of the weapons are out and they've gone through the major balance passes across the board...and when the dust settles a bit....then we should all get a fresh start.

good gear doesn't equal skill

I think that's why your mad.... you know this... and with this nerf you know your boys will see you for the scrub you are....

that is the ones that aren't in your little circle jerk of scrubness..... I mean all the ones who you have to make excuses to now as to why you suck....

"dude im still awesome at this game its just that they they nerfed my gear! DAMN YOU CCP!"

Demanding a respec simply because theyre changing your playstyle isnt a good thing, in fact its unhealthy for the game as it removes lasting decision-making, worthwhile investment and completely negates specialization. Whining has nothing to do with it, the Caldari Logi was insanely powerful and not being used forits intended purpose as players were running Assault Logis, hence the terminology.

In the future, all Logis will be changed to provide bonusesto their gear - which CCP has stated. This is important for them to be played for their intended purpose, which is support.

This is just something youre going tohaveto get used to. Instead of demanding a respec, why not suggest changes youd find appealing?

There must be something in the water that makes every corp in defiance delusional. Player numbers are dropping whether you are willing to admit or not. The game is not growing and is already in a state of being stale player count wise.

Know why we talk about vets? Who do you think this SP system, the theme of the game is based on? Players who spend lots of time in this game, people who are here for the long run. This game DOES NOT appeal to the newbros, it never has. Who do you see in 90% of matches? Veteran squads who you've played time & time again. With some newbro mixed in. Can you guess why? because WE are the playerbase, AND even more importantly, we're spending money on the game. And hmm how long have i been crying about leaving? Well this is the first post ive claimed i will leave, as you can see i dont have very many likes because im not a habitual forum poster. So you next time you troll on a personal level get your facts straight k?

There must be something in the water that makes every corp in defiance delusional. Player numbers are dropping whether you are willing to admit or not. The game is not growing and is already in a state of being stale player count wise.

As someone who played in squads with ZDubb when we were in PFBHz, I am going to stop you right there. ZDubb is anything but a bully. In fact whenever we had a random with us, he and his pal Spinner were always willing to help the random out.

I was there and he does not lie. In fact, almost all of the vets help noobs out, now that i think of it.

I have a funny feeling that sony will cut ties with ccp. They did it with ligjtbox the dev thst made starhawk. This game is not making money, and the playerbase keeps shrinking. No respecs lack of content, constant tweaks are killing this dieing game.

CCP needs to put Dust on PC and just forget about the console platform. I love CCP and i quit this game makes no sense. Video games are meant to be fun when did it turn into a job?

The grinding got to me i have 10 mill SP and im bored respecs would make the game fresh and fun. It will also help CCP with constant tweaks.

If they break something no biggie i could just respec into something else.

I wouldn't be suprised if the numbers are around 3000, right now.

The thing is that the bonuses are temporary. CCP have said that they're going to make new bonuses for logis.

I have a funny feeling that sony will cut ties with ccp. They did it with ligjtbox the dev thst made starhawk. This game is not making money, and the playerbase keeps shrinking. No respecs lack of content, constant tweaks are killing this dieing game.

CCP needs to put Dust on PC and just forget about the console platform. I love CCP and i quit this game makes no sense. Video games are meant to be fun when did it turn into a job?

The grinding got to me i have 10 mill SP and im bored respecs would make the game fresh and fun. It will also help CCP with constant tweaks.

If they break something no biggie i could just respec into something else.

Winning = fun
losing = unfun

therefore...


paying = winning
wasting time = unfun



so....



i'd rather pay and have fun then waste my time and not have fun.

Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time.

You're right, we should go play PS2 for a while and come back.... maybe.

On a serious note, whether or not PS2 engage in the same practice it has no bearing on whether or not it is right for Dust 514. I think most players don't mind things being tweaked but CCP have made sweeping changes without much warning and have never clarified the respec policy.

If they just came out tomorrow and said, "From now on we will only be offering SP for individual skills when those skills or core items associated with those skills are directly changed." then things wouldn't be so bad. As usual, it's a complete breakdown of communications that is at the heart of the issues with player-dev relations.

The only CPM member with half a clue.

Players "wasted" SP to bandwagon on the next OP item. First it was the TAR, then it was the cal-logi's super shields, now its the flaylock. It was the player's fault for investing SP with the intention to exploit an item.

Exactly.

Very well written and an excellent point.

Did he say it doesn't appeal to the new bros? How is that possible when everybody started at the bottom at one point of time. Listen, when I first set my boots off to become a merc in New Eden, I got my butt handed to me on a silver platter with Quafe to help wash it down.

Did I stop? No. So yea, it does appeal to newbros. How could you say something so ignorant? It takes some fortitude to keep going against you "vets" who decide to pick on newbies who come out in the militia default fits and run across you proto pub stomping "vets" who are complaining about a "broken" game that yall demand change from with threats to leave. what a mind eff.

You are certainly most welcome to your opinion. But to take such an arrogant stance on the matter is absolutely absurd sir. I am appalled by your sentiments. Vets been saying they are leaving for the longest. None of those bingo night players has left yet.

And you know what? Dust 514 keeps on trucking along...with or without the "vets". Heck, it's time for some new "vets". They are just around the corner.

The biggest whiners are clearly those asking for repecs, and the AR nerf brigade.

I am saying it's a waist because you want us to be support medics. I did not spec at all into becoming a nurse. To force me to become one is too costly to just turn around with SP I don't have and spec into that stuff OR a new suit. Either way I will make it work the -20 CPU isn't a big deal and neither is the bonus honestly If I got to I will drop Nanohives and uplinks.

I don't usually post, but it seems that you've put on a nurses uniform but don't want to be a nurse. It's the same idea. If you wanted to be a sniper, you don't spec into heavy armor. I only have 7 mil sp and have invested into the playstyle that suits me, assault. I don't have alot of powerful modules, but have been investing into several things to balance my suits weaknesses. I do not however place all my SP into a suit that doesn't compliment my combat style, as I know the logi suits are made for logistics,not frontline combat. I am also happy with my choice as it is what I wanted to play, not because it had a bonus I thought would give me an edge, that's what modules are for.

A note to everyone - please specialize into what play style suits you. Do not spec into something so you can stack bonuses, as it will only cause you grief when CCP eventually balances it to reflect its intended usage. This game is still going through growth spurts and will change as a result.

I don't usually post, but it seems that you've put on a nurses uniform but don't want to be a nurse. It's the same idea. If you wanted to be a sniper, you don't spec into heavy armor. I only have 7 mil sp and have invested into the playstyle that suits me, assault. I don't have alot of powerful modules, but have been investing into several things to balance my suits weaknesses. I do not however place all my SP into a suit that doesn't compliment my combat style, as I know the logi suits are made for logistics,not frontline combat. I am also happy with my choice as it is what I wanted to play, not because it had a bonus I thought would give me an edge, that's what modules are for.

A note to everyone - please specialize into what play style suits you. Do not spec into something so you can stack bonuses, as it will only cause you grief when CCP eventually balances it to reflect its intended usage. This game is still going through growth spurts and will change as a result.

That not fair at all. A lot of people specced into logi suits due to their versatility. We all specced into a suit based on the stats and slots it had, as it suited our playstyle.

Just because YOU think that logis aren't supposed to be frontline combatants doesn't mean that they weren't.

Now CCP has stated with their new blog that was their intention for these suits. If they want to change the suits... that's totally fine. However, since those suits are no longer what people put their SP into, they should have that SP refunded so they can spec into a new suit that actually does fit their playstyle.

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/logistics-dropsuit-changes-in-uprising-1.3/

Looking at this it looks like the bonus is actually awesome. It means that you'll have a 25% reduction to shiled recharge delay with lvl 5 into the Cal Logi suit. Combine this with a complex regulator and you'll have a whopping 50% reduction(not including extra regulators with stack penalties). Based of the new stats, that'll be a 2.5/4 second recharge delay. Not bad. I see that it would require a whole new investment (if you dont have regulators), but that doesnt mean you cant still use those complex extenders either. A CPU enhancer will more tham make up for the loss of 20 CPU and allow you to fit better modules in all those slots. Id like to see anyone use this setup and post some feedback about it if they already have it. Also looks like CCP will be doing smaller more rapid updates so we dont have to wait so long for changes. Damn, 2.5/4 is really good, compared to my 5/8.

They aren't additive, its 25% of the 25%.

At regulation 5 its .25*1.1*1.25 = 34.3% per complex regulator.

Being able to run proto everything kind of defeats the purpose of fitting. They should just give us the fit called I do everything the best way. You can't have it all. You want proto everything and it shouldn't work that way. You should have to run a CPU if you want complex extenders, prototype equipment and a full line of complex regulators. Just because it is top tier doesn't mean that is can fit the best everything all the time.

The problem with respecs is it will make everyone flock to the FOTM and reduce diversity. Im not running logi, im not running flaylocks. Why? Because I know both these things are clearly broken and will be nerfed. Everyone knew that. So if you put your sp into something everyone knew would eventually be nerfed, you were "renting" a short term advantage.

Id prefer it this way, where players with half a brain realize that investing in the OP stuff will likely cost them down the road. I could have put my 3x SP into core flaylocks. I would be reaping the rewards right now. But then a month down the road id be all sad that core flaylocks were nerfed and I wasted 700ksp.

Anyone who wanted to play front line pew-pew and saw the Logi OP and went that route kind of deserves the payback now. It was obvious that Logi was better at doing the assualt role than the assault and that it wouldnt last. Should have used your head and realized that. Or, if you did, you should have known youd be renting an advantage with your SP until it got nerfed.

It's so nice to see all Dust's players in one thread.