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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:36:00 -
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One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.
So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.
I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.
I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.
Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.
CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.
Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:48:00 -
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The whiners were the ones begging for nerfs. Then when they get thier way they claim everyone else are whiners. It is cleary a case of extreme hypocrisy and unfortunately CCP has listened to these forum trolls, and as a result, we have dust in its current state. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:05:00 -
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Ive been trying to say this same thing. Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust. In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here. Players "wasted" SP to bandwagon on the next OP item. First it was the TAR, then it was the cal-logi's super shields, now its the flaylock. It was the player's fault for investing SP with the intention to exploit an item. Exploit. How is using an item, the way the game designers put it into the game an exploit? Obviously the game designers themselves did not think it was overpowered, or else they wouldn't have put it in the game that way. The designers didn't deem it OP, the forums did. And to call it an exploit is completely incorrect. The players specced into it for the qualities it had at the time. CCP doesn't immediately come out and say(or refute) that "HEY these items are too good! Don't spec into them!" No. CCP just changes them without any real communication to the players.
Imagine a newbro, never heard of these forums sees the flaylocks in action and spends his whole first month of playin to get proto flaylocks. Hes gets them. He loves them. THEN the next day the nerf comes. His flaylocks been nerfed to absolute garbage. He then proceeds to curse at the game, point out its flaws, and leaves. Deletes dust off his console. Similar situations to this story have happend thousands of time on dust. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:10:00 -
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Oh and i'm getting rather tired of seeing the same 15 people troll the threads saying "NO MOAR RESPECS EVER DERP!111!" so at this point I'm going to stop replying and just hope CCP takes heed. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:37:00 -
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bumpidy bump replying should be intelligent & on point please-obvious trolling only hurts your opinions reputation. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 05:31:00 -
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Pikachu Power wrote:Michael Arck wrote:LOL, these threads always start the same "I know somebody who quit because of no respec" Oh boo hoo. No one cares. We still enjoying killing clones in New Eden. You and the other 1500 players of Dust when the vets leave? yah, you wont have a game by that time so we'll see you in bf4, CoD, Destiny, and ps2 to stomp you there like we stomp you here. Trolls, of course. They must not have seen dead games, dead games where not even a single match can be filled because the playerbase has simply moved on. We're trying to stop dust from dieing yet these trolls who are so anti-respec are killing the game w/out even knowing it. Its most obviously expressed by the people who say "bye, leave we dont want you then anyways." UMM the games this tiny and you want people to leave? And CCP is listening to you? Well. Now what kind of a predicament are we in here...hmm. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 05:50:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Pikachu Power wrote:Michael Arck wrote:LOL, these threads always start the same "I know somebody who quit because of no respec" Oh boo hoo. No one cares. We still enjoying killing clones in New Eden. You and the other 1500 players of Dust when the vets leave? yah, you wont have a game by that time so we'll see you in bf4, CoD, Destiny, and ps2 to stomp you there like we stomp you here. Trolls, of course. They must not have see dead games, dead games where not even a single match can be filled because the playerbase has simply moved on. We're trying to stop dust from dieing yet these trolls who are so anti-respec are killing the game w/out even knowing it. Its most obviously expressed by the people who say "bye, leave we dont want you then anyways." UMM the games this tiny and you want people to leave? And CCP is listening to you? Well. Now what kind of a predicament are we in here...hmm. no YOU can't see em. I catch em quiet room every now and then. You know why? Cause people are getting squads together in merc quarters, having a chat or laugh or two. Yall not trying to stop Dust from dying because all yall do is respond with threats "vets this, vets that". "CCP do this or we would leave" Is that how yall got your mommies and daddies to respond to your spoiled rants? Oh shut the heck up. Getting tired of you old men whining all the time. It's like you missed your show of the Price is Right and all hell is breaking loose. Especially you, you've been talking about leaving for how long now? Forums talking about "doom and gloom" and the actual activity on Dust are two different things. Know why we talk about vets? Who do you think this SP system, the theme of the game is based on? Players who spend lots of time in this game, people who are here for the long run. This game DOES NOT appeal to the newbros, it never has. Who do you see in 90% of matches? Veteran squads who you've played time & time again. With some newbro mixed in. Can you guess why? because WE are the playerbase, AND even more importantly, we're spending money on the game. And hmm how long have i been crying about leaving? Well this is the first post ive claimed i will leave, as you can see i dont have very many likes because im not a habitual forum poster. So you next time you troll on a personal level get your facts straight k? |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 06:01:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Pikachu Power wrote: Can you say, "supported this game on hope and skill boosters, alone, for a year and questioning CCP's resolve just like Sony is?" You all realize that if you **** off the biggest long-time supporters of Dust, then Sony will notice and cut CCP off because they dont understand console gamers. There is plenty of bad press from noobs playing this game- imagine what bad press from hundreds of vets would do. If I were CCP, i'd listen to its core group who love this game and want it to succeed.
Do you honestly think Dust has ANY chance of competing with bf4 or destiny in it's current state?
Yet it's vets that are punishing new players the most with pubstomping. You doing your best to make damn sure you are dust's only lifeblood apparently. Is it so you can have a stranglehold over the devs like you seem to think you do now? Cause let me tell you, I won't play a game guided by that BS. You say love this game and want it to succeed but all I'm seeing is BS like the OP saying "we don't care what you want from this game, do it our way or we're out." Most people do pubstomp ya, and its a damn big problem for noobies and unfortunately it makes a cycle that everyone does once they attain proto, yet for this reason you troll the forums and slam people asking for a respec? Last i checked it was you people, who have cried about nerfing everything in sight who have had a stranglehold on dev decisions. We're constantly ignored as people like you troll the forums posting your opinion over & over. How many times have you denied people asking for respecs today? I've seen you on just about every respec thread being a complete Ahole |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 06:11:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Ive been trying to say this same thing. Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust. In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here. Explain how you've wasted any SP? If this is about Logistics suits, the adjustments they're making are to try and let them perform their roles the way they were supposed to. This is wasted SP because most of the Logi don't have any of those support skills armor rep tool nanite inject. None of that stuff. All that stuff costs SP to proto it up. Making it worthless. Oh well just means I can't help anybody else out now I have to spec just for me now. You guys think it's a great thing but in the end the people that will suffer the most is everybody else that depends on the Logi to uplink and drop ammo. It won't be there no more. How does having to spend SP on it make it worthless? And you also read that they're receiving bonuses for that equipment in the next build, right? One of which will likely be to fitting so that you can get them on the suit more easily? Honestly, I'm looking forward to speccing back into running support. I think hes saying its wasted SP in a suit that they changed bonus's on which doesn't coincide with his planned SP path, meaning you spec into a suit w/ the modules that get a bonus, only to have that bonus be changed to a module you never got nor wanted to get like shield regulators, making it wasted SP on ur previously planned SP path |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 06:28:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Ive been trying to say this same thing. Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust. In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here. Players "wasted" SP to bandwagon on the next OP item. First it was the TAR, then it was the cal-logi's super shields, now its the flaylock. It was the player's fault for investing SP with the intention to exploit an item. Exploit. How is using an item, the way the game designers put it into the game an exploit? Obviously the game designers themselves did not think it was overpowered, or else they wouldn't have put it in the game that way. The designers didn't deem it OP, the forums did. And to call it an exploit is completely incorrect. The players specced into it for the qualities it had at the time. CCP doesn't immediately come out and say(or refute) that "HEY these items are too good! Don't spec into them!" No. CCP just changes them without any real communication to the players. Imagine a newbro, never heard of these forums sees the flaylocks in action and spends his whole first month of playin to get proto flaylocks. Hes gets them. He loves them. THEN the next day the nerf comes. His flaylocks been nerfed to absolute garbage. He then proceeds to curse at the game, point out its flaws, and leaves. Deletes dust off his console. Similar situations to this story have happend thousands of time on dust. Every FPS Developer ALWAYS changes stats for balancing purposes. You people need to grow up. The last respec was needed to because of a change in the skill tree. There is no change in the skill tree this time, only stats. So either stop the QQing and leave or MTFU. No player with real skills need to hear that your clutch suit and gun got nerfed so your going to leave with your BFF. Every FPS developer doesn't hav an SP system to unlock things taking months & months for progress, and i never used the flaylock, it was an example, my problem is exactly what ive said in the OP, that is players are getting screwed over because of sudden nerfs and changes to thier SP paths that CCP magically pull out of thier bunghole once a helluva people are specced into them, and because they feel so devalued, with no chance of redemption (respec) theyre quitting |
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
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Posted - 2013.07.20 07:20:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Pikachu Power wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Every FPS Developer ALWAYS changes stats for balancing purposes. You people need to grow up. The last respec was needed to because of a change in the skill tree. There is no change in the skill tree this time, only stats. So either stop the QQing and leave or MTFU. No player with real skills need to hear that your clutch suit and gun got nerfed so your going to leave with your BFF.
And every FPS developer has provided a means for players to adapt to the changes they make. In dust? You get complete silence from CCP and HTFU from the community. That's horseshit. There is a game called BF3, and in this game there was a gun called the USAS-12( U SUK AT SHOOTING) which was nerfed through the earth. The dev never provided a means for players to adapt to the changes of that gun. Did you know what happened? It was never used again, and the only time you did see that gun, a SKILLED player was using it. Why doesn't anyone wait until this game has all the content patched in as well as stats balanced. Is CCP really supposed to give out respec's everytime they make miniscule changes like this? These things happen to every game, and the minute MR. KDR thinks they can't adapt because the upcoming changes aren't going to make him godly anymore, he jumps to the forums to cry and say he's leaving. I play Amarr and the changes to the logistics suit had me reevaluate what I was going to have to give up. Now most of my modules have to be basic/advanced if I want to add a sidearm and a 3rd equipment. The extra PG doesn't help either. Yeah yeah the Amarr got a much needed buff, but caldari had to be nerfed somehow along with the flaylock and TAC AR. Those 3 set ups were god mode and you can't deny that. Did those players who use the gun grind for one month to be able to use ONLY THAT GUN? No? Well it is a bad comparison, isn't it. See, your wrong again and pulling the old "SP" card out. Every FPS shooter nowadays has some type of grind to unlock something, the only difference in dust is you spend SP to get that particular item. It may not be as long as dust but there is still a grind. So......what was that about comparison? thats exactly it, the grind, the grind, for ur example the usas 12 was less than a day, and had no impact on a players experience in the game if he chose not to use that weapon. In dust, grinding a weapon requires 2 weeks of capping w/ boosters on, that SP takes MONEY & TIME. Not only this but that SP choice will affect you throughout your entire gameplay experience and become a key part of your playing style for the entire time you play,EG effecting battlefield strategys and your SP path,in battlefield you get that gun to be useless who cares YOU'VE ALREADY UNLOCKED EVERYTHING IN THE GAME IN A MONTH. Comparing the 2 is completely ridiculous. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 07:32:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Did he say it doesn't appeal to the new bros? How is that possible when everybody started at the bottom at one point of time. Listen, when I first set my boots off to become a merc in New Eden, I got my butt handed to me on a silver platter with Quafe to help wash it down.
Did I stop? No. So yea, it does appeal to newbros. How could you say something so ignorant? It takes some fortitude to keep going against you "vets" who decide to pick on newbies who come out in the militia default fits and run across you proto pub stomping "vets" who are complaining about a "broken" game that yall demand change from with threats to leave. what a mind eff.
You are certainly most welcome to your opinion. But to take such an arrogant stance on the matter is absolutely absurd sir. I am appalled by your sentiments. Vets been saying they are leaving for the longest. None of those bingo night players has left yet.
And you know what? Dust 514 keeps on trucking along...with or without the "vets". Heck, it's time for some new "vets". They are just around the corner. When i started this game i thought it was full of bs, it had way too long grinding times, it had bugs up the wazoo, and the game itself simply was not as fun as other shooters, the only reason i stayed was because i sold most of my games and didnt have an FPS. I now hear the exact same complaints from the guys in team chat that quit after a day. And yes those vets HAVE left, not only do i know around 40-50 people that i use to squad with that havent even turned dust on in the last....mm around a month id say? Mainly since the new build, but the ACTUAL PLAYER NUMBERS are dropping. Take a look. We've went from 9000+ at the start of the build to around 5000 now. The stats are undeniable. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 07:38:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Why not just wait until the next major build update? Skill tree needs work, as in making it into an actual skill tree and not linear SP sinks, and bonuses across the board are probably going to be addressed. It's only a matter of time. I definitely would agree, however i think we need a respec option sooner than later because many people are leaving, like nao- otherwise id say ya stick it out til all the major contents released and balance is good then do a final respec. Unfortunately this is all supposed to be SOON tm and players are fed up of waiting for things we've been promised since closed beta and still dont even have a rough timeframe on. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 13:07:00 -
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pierce Hawkeye wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they paid money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.
So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.
I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.
I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.
Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.
CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.
Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy. +1 like for speaking alot of peoples and my mind i just think it really needed to be said with all the "NO MOAR RESPEC" tards clogging up the forums
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:17:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Being able to run proto everything kind of defeats the purpose of fitting. They should just give us the fit called I do everything the best way. You can't have it all. You want proto everything and it shouldn't work that way. You should have to run a CPU if you want complex extenders, prototype equipment and a full line of complex regulators. Just because it is top tier doesn't mean that is can fit the best everything all the time. You cant even do that, pre nerf at Level 2 dropsuit engineering and electronics it takes 2 cpu extenders and 2 PG upgrades to equip 5 complex shield extenders, a duvolle, a proto nanohive, a proto uplink, proto nades and an adv nanite injector. What this nerf of shield tanking does is require the 5 complex extenders to have good health, regulators to make use of the bonus AND cpu extenders to make it possible, this leaves no room for other modules and virtually no room for equipment. They basically said "Ok Your versatility is gone, your module layout is this, and you can't equip good equipment while you do it." In other words? Its a slow, gimped caldari assaul suit now, or a garbage shield logi suit.
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