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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
15
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:36:00 -
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One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.
So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.
I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.
I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.
Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.
CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.
Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1231
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:40:00 -
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The biggest whiners are clearly those asking for repecs, and the AR nerf brigade. |
MilkTank7322
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:42:00 -
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Give them their respec but take a percentage off of their total SP. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1058
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:43:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP.
Ive been trying to say this same thing.
Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust.
In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1800
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:46:00 -
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Bye. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
16
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:48:00 -
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The whiners were the ones begging for nerfs. Then when they get thier way they claim everyone else are whiners. It is cleary a case of extreme hypocrisy and unfortunately CCP has listened to these forum trolls, and as a result, we have dust in its current state. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
85
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:49:00 -
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They wasted their SP on their own free will knowing full well that whatever they spec into could change any day. It only takes about 400K SP to get into a STD racial fit. Let's face it, you can still do well in a standard suit if you have any skill. |
BuTtHuRtPEepZ
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
54
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:50:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Ive been trying to say this same thing. Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust. In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here.
Players "wasted" SP to bandwagon on the next OP item. First it was the TAR, then it was the cal-logi's super shields, now its the flaylock. It was the player's fault for investing SP with the intention to exploit an item. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6278
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Posted - 2013.07.20 03:56:00 -
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Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
79
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:02:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:The biggest whiners are clearly those asking for repecs, and the AR nerf brigade. Seriously, you calling anyone else a whiner at this point is laughable. Your crusade against the AR nothing short of epic.
To the OP, this is the game I chose to play expecting fully the lack of respecs we are now seeing. I expected game balance changes to sway favorable configurations. I wanted this system. It's part of why I'm here. I would prefer you leave and allow the game I chose to remain while you move on to any one of the other alternatives you would clearly prefer to this rather than take key aspects of my one down for your own short sighted enjoyment.
Others may feel differently, but for the life of me I cannot fathom why they would not take the obvious step of seeking a game with systems which support their desires. Nor can I fathom how negating key unique attributes in this game which set it apart, and hopefully will grow with time, would contribute to lasting success as this only further renders it indistinguishable from competing products.
Respectfully, please leave. You have your games, let me have mine. |
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Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:02:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Whether this comes in the form of nerfs, or higher sp requirements for skills or anything of the like. Most people i know left this game PRIMARILY because at launch the SP requirements were so high they couldn't skill into what they had before. I knew an eve player that quit because overnight the SP requirements for his shield modules went from 4 to 5. He didnt know that it was a "fix" and didnt care. in thier minds CCP was devaluing our SP, our game time, our work. Others quit because literally the stats and bonuses of items they specced into, using SP they paid money for boosters to get, were literally changed. Without thier consent, and of course, without a respec option.
So they quit. End of story. The games bazillion inherent flaws were just icing on the cake causing them to leave. CCP you have nerfed into oblivion countless things, and caused Most of the people that play this game to simply quit to stop taking your BS, and BS of QQers on these forums.
I have no doubt you will not provide a respecs in the near future. And because of this, even more of the tiny playerbase is going to leave. The game will die.
I suggest a respec, and do it quick, despite what the trolls on these forums say, because otherwise i literally cannot see dust recovering from its current situation.
Me? Ya im one of the most active players on this game. Got 15million SP. Guess what? No respec? Then im gone too. And i know a HELL of a lot of your most active players & vets thinking the same thing as me, well the ones that didnt quit in the last few weeks of course.
CCP you've listed to the loudest whiners on the forums for awhile now. Look wheres it gotten ya.
Do something and do it quick. Cus your playerbase sure as hell aint happy.
Bull$hitties. There's only 2 reasons to need respecs, 1) You want to swap from an infantry focused player to a vehicle based player (or vice versa) or: 2) You pumped all points into maximising a single weapon which you thought would give you some advantage.
Stop pumping all your points into Gun5+Proficiency5+sharpshooter5+Reload5 for one gun. Its your own damn fault. Last time I checked all your other skills like Shield5, Armour5, Shield Extenders5, Electronics5, Engineering5 and Nano5, etc etc still work. |
Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers EoN.
1261
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust.
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Queen of Uranus
Dust 514 Forum Trolls
167
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:04:00 -
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Make sure players send me their ISK when they leave. Followed shortly by biomassing their remaining clones. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
16
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:05:00 -
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Ive been trying to say this same thing. Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust. In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here. Players "wasted" SP to bandwagon on the next OP item. First it was the TAR, then it was the cal-logi's super shields, now its the flaylock. It was the player's fault for investing SP with the intention to exploit an item. Exploit. How is using an item, the way the game designers put it into the game an exploit? Obviously the game designers themselves did not think it was overpowered, or else they wouldn't have put it in the game that way. The designers didn't deem it OP, the forums did. And to call it an exploit is completely incorrect. The players specced into it for the qualities it had at the time. CCP doesn't immediately come out and say(or refute) that "HEY these items are too good! Don't spec into them!" No. CCP just changes them without any real communication to the players.
Imagine a newbro, never heard of these forums sees the flaylocks in action and spends his whole first month of playin to get proto flaylocks. Hes gets them. He loves them. THEN the next day the nerf comes. His flaylocks been nerfed to absolute garbage. He then proceeds to curse at the game, point out its flaws, and leaves. Deletes dust off his console. Similar situations to this story have happend thousands of time on dust. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6278
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:05:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust.
Yeah but nerfs in Planetside 2 always seem final, like its something they never revisit or readjust again or in the recent trend they keep nerfing something into the ground while making it feel like you're being punished because you chose the wrong color. 5-7 USD down the drain per gun they nerf and they always seem to nerf the best seller and unlike Dust 514, there is no potential in ever getting your investment back out of it. Something may be in the works for Dust 514 to allow refocusing of specialization but how and how to make it fair for everyone would be an interesting answer nonetheless. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
178
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:05:00 -
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Video response from CCP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I |
Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers EoN.
1261
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:08:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust. Yeah but nerfs in Planetside 2 always seem final, like its something they never revisit or readjust again. 5-7 USD down the drain per gun they nerf and they always seem to nerf the best seller. wasting a few dollars is nowhere near as aggravating then wasting a months worth of time to grind for something that eventually is rendered useless.
"oh m favorite gun just got nerfed, better throw my money at the game for the next FOTM" |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
44
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:08:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:They wasted their SP on their own free will knowing full well that whatever they spec into could change any day. It only takes about 400K SP to get into a STD racial fit. Let's face it, you can still do well in a standard suit if you have any skill. Not when there are players of the same skill in proto gear and contact nades. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:10:00 -
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Oh and i'm getting rather tired of seeing the same 15 people troll the threads saying "NO MOAR RESPECS EVER DERP!111!" so at this point I'm going to stop replying and just hope CCP takes heed. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6279
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:10:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust. Yeah but nerfs in Planetside 2 always seem final, like its something they never revisit or readjust again. 5-7 USD down the drain per gun they nerf and they always seem to nerf the best seller. wasting a few dollars is nowhere near as aggravating then wasting a months worth of time to grind for something that eventually is rendered useless. "oh m favorite gun just got nerfed, better throw my money at the game for the next FOTM"
For me the average gun takes me two months to unlock in planetside as a casual player.
In Dust 514 I had just about every gun type, base suit, module, base vehicle, unlocked by week one after reset.
Good players don't need prototype gear.
Also I am probably a different sort of player, I generally gravitate towards weapons that I feel better in use, for example my favorite type of sniper rifle in most games is generally the closest thing to a bolt action rifle they have because the way the function usually is a very peculiar. I just find it upsetting that they would go to lengths to nerf a sniper rifle to do less damage than some small caliber pistols in that game. |
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Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers EoN.
1263
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust. Yeah but nerfs in Planetside 2 always seem final, like its something they never revisit or readjust again. 5-7 USD down the drain per gun they nerf and they always seem to nerf the best seller. wasting a few dollars is nowhere near as aggravating then wasting a months worth of time to grind for something that eventually is rendered useless. "oh m favorite gun just got nerfed, better throw my money at the game for the next FOTM" For me the average gun takes me two months to unlock in planetside as a casual player. In Dust 514 I had just about every gun type, base suit, module, base vehicle, unlocked by week one after reset. Good players don't need prototype gear. Yea...
But you're not good.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1059
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:For me the average gun takes me two months to unlock in planetside as a casual player.
In Dust 514 I had just about every gun type, base suit, module, base vehicle, unlocked by week one after reset.
Good players don't need prototype gear.
Also I am probably a different sort of player, I generally gravitate towards weapons that I feel better in use, for example my favorite type of sniper rifle in most games is generally the closest thing to a bolt action rifle they have because the way the function usually is a very peculiar. I just find it upsetting that they would go to lengths to nerf a sniper rifle to do less damage than some small caliber pistols in that game.
You literally have no ground to stand on with that argument IWS. You are a terrible player, and I have roflstomped you every single time I've played against you in instant battles.
You wouldn't last a second in PC against some of the opponents I've faced as part of PFBHz and TP.
You cannot say you don't need proto gear in this game, not when you're opponents are rocking all proto and playing as hard as they can. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:37:00 -
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bumpidy bump replying should be intelligent & on point please-obvious trolling only hurts your opinions reputation. |
Skipper Jones
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
469
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:39:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust, you have to work for everything. Boosters just let you work a little less. in planetaide 2, you can just throw money at the game, and instantly get what you want. You can't do that in Dust.
That's a good thing...
ITs not P2W |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2591
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:39:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:One thing that pisses people off more than anything is devaluing SP. Ive been trying to say this same thing. Wasted SP = Waste time... and no one wants to feel their SP is wasted. A game that feels like youre wasting youre time is not fun and if a game isn't fun.. you end up with a playerbase as small as Dust. In before the "NO MOAR RESPECS EVAR" idiots come in here. Explain how you've wasted any SP? If this is about Logistics suits, the adjustments they're making are to try and let them perform their roles the way they were supposed to. |
Miokai Zahou
Film Actors Guilds
6
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:51:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:For me the average gun takes me two months to unlock in planetside as a casual player.
In Dust 514 I had just about every gun type, base suit, module, base vehicle, unlocked by week one after reset.
Good players don't need prototype gear.
Also I am probably a different sort of player, I generally gravitate towards weapons that I feel better in use, for example my favorite type of sniper rifle in most games is generally the closest thing to a bolt action rifle they have because the way the function usually is a very peculiar. I just find it upsetting that they would go to lengths to nerf a sniper rifle to do less damage than some small caliber pistols in that game. You literally have no ground to stand on with that argument IWS. You are a terrible player, and I have roflstomped you every single time I've played against you in instant battles. You wouldn't last a second in PC against some of the opponents I've faced as part of PFBHz and TP. You cannot say you don't need proto gear in this game, not when you're opponents are rocking all proto and playing as hard as they can.
I call bullshit on this one. In my advance gear I've stomped on many proto geared 'elitist' in battles all the time and came out with a high k/d ratio. Stop picking on IWS for a vaild commit its bordering on unacceptable bullying now.
Best you EON lot should do it quit the game you self entitled douchbags. |
Pikachu Power
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
46
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:59:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:For me the average gun takes me two months to unlock in planetside as a casual player.
In Dust 514 I had just about every gun type, base suit, module, base vehicle, unlocked by week one after reset.
Good players don't need prototype gear.
Also I am probably a different sort of player, I generally gravitate towards weapons that I feel better in use, for example my favorite type of sniper rifle in most games is generally the closest thing to a bolt action rifle they have because the way the function usually is a very peculiar. I just find it upsetting that they would go to lengths to nerf a sniper rifle to do less damage than some small caliber pistols in that game. You literally have no ground to stand on with that argument IWS. You are a terrible player, and I have roflstomped you every single time I've played against you in instant battles. You wouldn't last a second in PC against some of the opponents I've faced as part of PFBHz and TP. You cannot say you don't need proto gear in this game, not when you're opponents are rocking all proto and playing as hard as they can. Tell 'em Z. I notice that almost all of the players that say "NO MOAR RESPECZ EVARR" are bad players, noobs, and CCP fanboys. There's a reason the oldest players who were loyal to this game for a solid year quit- it doesn't get better and their advice was ignored. Now we're seeing the players who started playing near the end of the closed beta and the beginning of the open beta getting rather bothered, as it seems that the game took 4 steps back since Chromosome; as if they ignored all of our feedback.
I love this game and I've spent a lot of money on it, but I think I speak for a lot of the older players when I say: "Battlefield 4 looks pretty sweet." I want this game to succeed because I'm good at it and I love playing it, but CCP isn't making progress since Chromosome. Seriously, just bring us back to Chromosome, completely, and re-evaluate from there. It was an awesome build and was pretty balanced.
Let me inform you of my situation:
I specced into tanks, mass drivers, and the callogi. I specced into tanks in the beginning of Uprising because they were pretty good in Chromo, but they turned out to be absolutely awful due to having literally everything nerfed. So they buffed out resistance to 10% with a million SP investment and buffed infantry wqeapons 10% for free. Then they buffed our HP about 1000 points and that was fine bc I specced into logi lavs which were finally financially beneficial, if not boring; until i realized that everyone would use super lavs which meant everyone would spec into proto AV to counter them. Now i can't tank at all because everyone has proto AV in pubs AND pc. Then i specced into the callogi mass driver right before they announced the nerf- i spent 6 million SP getting that suit. Now I have a crap suit that i dont want anymore and crap tanks that arent worth their huge price tag (another 6 mil). All i have left is the llav, but that will be the next thing to get nerfed, after the flaylock- then i will have no effective suit and i will probably quit because i would have wasted hundreds of dollars and several months playing a game that punished me for doing well. I would like a respec- id even pay for it so i can have fun, again, but CCP insists on not letting us, so eventually, everyone will be bored with their current fit, and without vets encouraging new players to keep playing this game, nobody will stay and the game will die. CCP has to realize that if they dont appease their core audience, they will never aquire more players because we are the guys buying six months of boosters in advance, blogging about dust, and telling our friends to play- not casual CoD bois who are just waiting for bf4 to come out.
That's all I have.
Night |
Cygnus Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
112
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:59:00 -
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LOL!!!!!! |
Pikachu Power
XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S
46
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Posted - 2013.07.20 05:01:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Zekain Kade wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetside 2 does this all the time though and in that game people are encouraged to buy new guns all the time. Yea, but you cant just buy a pack of instant Sp in Dust, you have to work for everything. Boosters just let you work a little less. in planetaide 2, you can just throw money at the game, and instantly get what you want. You can't do that in Dust. That's a good thing... ITs not P2W
Winning = fun losing = unfun
therefore...
paying = winning wasting time = unfun
so....
i'd rather pay and have fun then waste my time and not have fun. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1579
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Posted - 2013.07.20 05:02:00 -
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MAURY! MAURY! MAURY! |
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