I use a militia sniper and militia suit and one-shot headshot protos sniping on top of towers,,,with no sniper skills

+1 But it won't happen because "wah wah can't kill them with my AR wah wah my bullet-hose doesn't reach that far wah wah lining up one tiny dot with a moving dot 300+ yards away 'takes no skill' wah wah I don't want to want to have to serpentine or take cover wah wah I don't want to use the unlimited free sniper fit to take out the guy behind the redline wah wah wah..."

You want one shot kills and have it necessary to lead your targets because of travel time? Easy answer... Spec into forge. Oh wait. You won't want to do that because they don't have scope view, they shake, and they only have about 16 shots before they're out of ammo and you can't carry a hive. And heavy suits are big, slow, and easy to hit.

Earn your kills like most of the rest of us.

I'd love to see the river of tears if head shot bonus damage for all weapons didn't apply until until shields were depleted.

Don't worry, the AR brigade is working on nerf proposals for the forge gun as we speak.

I like your idea about the headshot bonus. Frankly, it makes no sense even for armor-the helmet has to be the most durable piece of a dropsuit.

Earn your kills like most of the rest of us.

Until sniping involves skill they should be nerfed to 50% damage for body shots. After bullet travel time and bulet drop are added maybe give a damage buff

how about NO. most of the rest of us? We aren't the "rest of us".

We need sniping love indeed. Sometimes I don't know what range to snipe in, Seems like I'm in the long distance__then an AR shoots me more accurately than the SR at 50m away. Right on. The reticule sucks, it turns orange and no damage. Give us a new futuristic scope man. The edge of the scope looks like we are insects. All in all, make the sniper a viable and strong weapon. Take out the "assault-sniper fit" If you need to snipe, you better skill into it like we did!

Until sniping involves skill they should be nerfed to 50% damage for body shots. After bullet travel time and bulet drop are added maybe give a damage buff

I'm a bit confused about the headshot complaint. I have yet to have a properly lined up headshot NOT kill a target. Heck.. I get head shot kills with my AR and SMG--even did one with a Flaylock once (the gong makes it easier to know when you score the headshot now).

Now, if you're shooting them in the body (ie: potentially the more heavily armoured sections of their suits), then yeah... it's gonna take at least one shot to take out shields (sometimes you need a 2nd, and it dents armor a bit) , then one or two more to kill them.

The trick is doing it right in the first place. True headshots get like quadruple damage or something (don't know the actual bonus, but it's out there in left field), you just have to line up your shot right.

Before you hate just wait. Snipers are the fear gods of Shooters. A great sniper should be able to make ppl fear him. I do not see that in this game. I feel like sniping isnt as dangerous as other shooters. When I hit a guy and it takes a quarter of his health off. It pisses me off cause now he runs and hides and escapes. Even with Head shots its like he doesnt die. WHY?! I mean a head shot in any other means is and should be fatal.

Let Sniper shots kill in 1 shot if its a head shot. Reward skill and patience for lining up a head shot. And buff the basic damage of a sniper shot so that low suit players get one shoted and proto players can be 2 shoted. If a proto players gets hit it makes since to let him take cover. but a basic suit militia suit and even a advance suit player gets one shoted. Tact snipers should be at a 65% dmg of normal sniper rifles and shoot at a 50% fire rate. But buff the normal rifle dmg for 45% - 65% dmg.

Some suggestions.

More Zoom. If I had a better zoom. I am sure I could get better shots or even more head shots. My targets are like 4 - 5 times bigger then my dot some times.

I want more body shot damage. AT least 50%. It isnt wrong to get 50% more body shot damage. It just means half the normal shots. And with 5 shots being the most about then that means 2 -3 shots at most.

Light Suits:
STD - Armor and shield Mods: 1 shot
Without: 1 shot.
ADV - Armor and shield Mods: 1 shots
Without: 1 shot
PRO - Armor and shield Mods: 2 shots
Without: 1 shot.

Medium Suits:
STD- Armor and shield Mods: 1
Without: 1 shot
ADV - Armor and shield Mods: 2 shots
Without: 1 shot
PRO - Armor and shield Mods: 2 shots
Without: 1 shot

Heavy Suits:
STD - Armor and shield Mods: 2 shots
Without: 2 shots
ADV - Armor and shield Mods: 3 shots
Without: 2 shots.
PRO - Armor and shield Mods: 3 shots
Without: 2 shots.

I feel like this is a pretty good rough draft of how much it SHOULD take to kill with a PRO Sniper with Max PROFICIENCY and Damage Mods. Counting only 1 complex Damage Mod.

Have Sway on all the time but reduced if you have Lvl 5 Sniper skill. But you can remove all Sway with holding down R3 when aiming. Also need a range indicator on the scope to see if its within our effective range or not. When in crouch should reduce current sway by 50% but only from the current sway and each lvl in sniping takes away a 10% so when crouch at lvl 5 sniper skill you get a 75% reduced sway.

I also would love better sniper rifle choices. Maybe add more sniper rifle types. Like from a different race. Not sure if any other race HAS sniper rifles. BTW Head shots should do 400% more dmg effectively 1 shotting all targets when shield is down. But when shield is up making Head shot dmg be normal.

It looks like 60m is a no snipe zone, because the AR will get you good, while you are trying to slowly get those shots out. People disappear at long ranges, late hit detection, lag while enemy is running. Sniping sux atm. what is the best range for snipers?
I would think that 60m is, that is when I can see bodies clearly, buut i also get gunned down immediately. 70m-80m?

buff the basic damage of a sniper shot so that low suit players get one shoted and proto players can be 2 shoted.

Please stop!

These suggestions are just unbelievably bad.

Go play a game with "Sniper" in the title if you want this kind of thing.

Militia < Standard < Advanced < Prototype
And that is the way the world spins

If your targets are using Prototype gear then why aren't you?

First of all, my experience with the sniper: it was the first weapon I took seriously in this game, and I have picked it up again to see if it still suits my interests. I currently use Militia Sniper Rifle and it may stay that way for a while. I am not a master sniper or a super marksman, but I have learned from my mistakes and I know now what to do.

The turn and run scenario is all part of the sniping;

You made your first shot successful, one, maybe two shots to bring them down, but they are on the run for cover. It's the quintessential game of Cat & Mouse.


Your demands ask for people like me, Scouts and Light Frames, to be given no quarter for being shot by someone far beyond weapon range and far beyond scan range, using a mere Militia Sniper Rifle. That is outright unfair, giving all the leeway to some punk on a hill, who needs only to take one shot for most targets.

No, the point in practicing your sniping is so that you can tie up loose ends. Seriously, it isn't hard to plink someone with a MLT Sniper Rifle when they don't know you are there, the skill lies in finishing them off when they do know you are there.

If low-tier Sniping allows for instant kills, how can anyone protect themselves? Wasting AUR to boost SP or cut to the chase and get Prototype gear only to find that it only gives them one more chance? The way I see it, if you can't out-think, out-shoot, and out-play your opponents, maybe you shouldn't be sniping.

The last direction that sniping needs to be taken is to Over Power. I believe that the maps need to be expanded vastly, so that there are at least 2.5 "Sniping Lengths", so one redline Sniper can not plink another, let alone see much action. If you want more power upgrade your rifle, but don't bring everyone down because you can't bring one down.

Sniping needs to be about Stealth, Accuracy, and Tactics. Anyone who can't meet those demands shouldn't rightly be sniping, but the game allows it, for now.

how about NO. most of the rest of us? We aren't the "rest of us".

We need sniping love indeed. Sometimes I don't know what range to snipe in, Seems like I'm in the long distance__then an AR shoots me more accurately than the SR at 50m away. Right on. The reticule sucks, it turns orange and no damage. Give us a new futuristic scope man. The edge of the scope looks like we are insects. All in all, make the sniper a viable and strong weapon. Take out the "assault-sniper fit" If you need to snipe, you better skill into it like we did!

Before you hate just wait. Snipers are the fear gods of Shooters. A great sniper should be able to make ppl fear him. I do not see that in this game. I feel like sniping isnt as dangerous as other shooters. When I hit a guy and it takes a quarter of his health off. It pisses me off cause now he runs and hides and escapes. Even with Head shots its like he doesnt die. WHY?! I mean a head shot in any other means is and should be fatal.

Let Sniper shots kill in 1 shot if its a head shot. Reward skill and patience for lining up a head shot. And buff the basic damage of a sniper shot so that low suit players get one shoted and proto players can be 2 shoted. If a proto players gets hit it makes since to let him take cover. but a basic suit militia suit and even a advance suit player gets one shoted. Tact snipers should be at a 65% dmg of normal sniper rifles and shoot at a 50% fire rate. But buff the normal rifle dmg for 45% - 65% dmg.

+1 But it won't happen because "wah wah can't kill them with my AR wah wah my bullet-hose doesn't reach that far wah wah lining up one tiny dot with a moving dot 300+ yards away 'takes no skill' wah wah I don't want to want to have to serpentine or take cover wah wah I don't want to use the unlimited free sniper fit to take out the guy behind the redline wah wah wah..."

Until sniping involves skill they should be nerfed to 50% damage for body shots. After bullet travel time and bulet drop are added maybe give a damage buff

Sniping is really not that hard in that game in fact easy enough that I don't bother putting SP into it to counter snipe. Once you crouch you have a steady scope thats snaps back to its original position after each shot. So when the first shot ist not enough you just need to fire again.

While I disagree with most of what Spirit Charm said, I do like the increased magnification on the optic.

I wouldn't have a huge issue with a very small damage buff if it weren't for the fact that the red-line effectively forces you to play their game. A sniper in real life is a force multiplier and a scout, not a meat grinder that churns out a million kills. 30-0 isn't impossible for a sniper, but its (usually) unrealistic for its role. You shouldn't be compromising your cover, you should be relaying positions to your squad/team and pinning reds down for clean up. Leave the grunt work to grunts, you've got a relatively white-collar job.

Play however you want, but its helpful to know and fill your role.

ok so how would you make a sniper's job harder without making them useless? a constant sway? bullet drop and bullet travel? what would that last one mean? do less damage while the bullet travels?

poor heavies.... "yeah, i have 1000 ehp, and a proto heavy suit... alright!" gets one shotted in city by a militia blue print sniper 300+m away on a biulding somewhere, in a blue print dragon fly suit.
losses 120,000+ isk

Snipers have way too much as it is. Hide in the redline and still be able to see across the entire map. Hide on top of a unscalable tower because stairs are too OP. Have almost no way to find you and you do insane amounts of damage. Plus objectives that are completely wide open so are nearly impossible to hack because people can see you from their redline.

Snipers need no love, they get all the love in the maps anyways. Giant bowls that are completely flat with very little cover. Redlines that extend to about 50m from objectives.

Maybe once we get shield bubbles and new maps that are more urban we could talk.

Until sniping involves skill they should be nerfed to 50% damage for body shots. After bullet travel time and bulet drop are added maybe give a damage buff

Dude,

Don't even joke about that. There is a ****-load of skill in sniping.

When was the last time you killed a running target at 400m? If you can, it's not luck. You have to lead them - travel time is in the game.

For running targets, if you hit them once, strip their armour, and do it again to kill them, it's not luck.

Good snipers can do it fairly often.

I don't think of myself as an awesome sniper but I can usually hit running targets a dozen times per game (sometimes more). Not all are kills but some are, the rest are assists because my CQC colleagues finish them off.

People just don't stand around smoking and chatting in militia gear like n00bs anymore.


Munch

I can do this anytime i snipe. There is no bullet travel time though. This may be why you think its hard

Why would I think it's hard?

It is hard.

I lead my targets and it works.

If there is no travel time then what I'm noticing might be lag. But it has the same effect as travel time and I see it in every game on every map.

I have to lead my targets.


Munch

Before you hate just wait. Snipers are the fear gods of Shooters. A great sniper should be able to make ppl fear him. I do not see that in this game. I feel like sniping isnt as dangerous as other shooters. When I hit a guy and it takes a quarter of his health off. It pisses me off cause now he runs and hides and escapes. Even with Head shots its like he doesnt die. WHY?! I mean a head shot in any other means is and should be fatal.

Let Sniper shots kill in 1 shot if its a head shot. Reward skill and patience for lining up a head shot. And buff the basic damage of a sniper shot so that low suit players get one shoted and proto players can be 2 shoted. If a proto players gets hit it makes since to let him take cover. but a basic suit militia suit and even a advance suit player gets one shoted. Tact snipers should be at a 65% dmg of normal sniper rifles and shoot at a 50% fire rate. But buff the normal rifle dmg for 45% - 65% dmg.

[In the future where immortal super soldier that wear highly protective armors , no one fears snipers. Snipers are NOT the killers they are in other FPS, but more of a tactical/support role. (like covering certain Letters in skirmish or give cover fire to assault units, INFORMING their teammates of enemy locations , etc....)

PLUS snipers are still good and DO get a powerful headshot bonus.
I go 15-2 with a covenant sniper rifle or the Basic TAC when i snipe.

And snipers 1HKO my scout suit every time, and my min runs 410HP....

so i really dont know what you are talking about broski.

I can kill protos with basic sniper rifles. Snipers need to try out their gun game in the playing field before they come to the forums to ask for OHK's

... It's an absolute joke that I can have proficiency 5, 3 complex damage mods and a charge sniper rifle, and it STILL takes me 4-5 shots to take down some heavies, and usually 3 for any decently fit proto logi or assault. Lets put this in perspective; this is a prototype weapon with the highest damage of any sniper not an officer in the game. It is comparable to the Thales in damage, and with the charge time it still takes me a minimum of 12 seconds to down a well fit proto player. In terms of sniping, 12 seconds is an absolute eternity in terms of finding cover... let alone 20 seconds that some heavies will have. This hardly makes us a class to be feared by our equals.

Sure, the proto sniper does well against std and adv opponents, but is that really the standard we hold the weapon to to be balanced?


NOTE: times calculated based on 4 sec charge time, though I have not tested this

I feel like I need to quote myself, there are a lot of people putting forward absolute rubbish arguments



This is not about OHKs, this is about achieving a reasonable level of damage to make sniping all classes of players *plausible*. Currently it is not plausible to even bother with the upper echelon of players as they are much more effort than they are worth. 4-5 shots with the best non officer sniper in the game? You have got to be joking. If you think this is balanced you need to re-evaluate your concept of balance.

To all of those people talking about bullet travel time and the ability to "see across the entire map". Maybe it would be a good idea to actually play the class before chiming in with your "omg-i-got-sniped-plz-nerf" opinions, because if you had you would know a couple of things:

1) The render range is limited to around 400-450m, which is about HALF the size of any map (sometimes less), and a full 200m less than our weapon ranges.

2) Depending on the match, there can be and often is a significant amount of latency and/or input lag. This is essentially the same as adding in bullet travel time. The reason I say this is that the bullet velocity is 2500 m/s (stated in the description). With an average kill distance (for arguments sake) of 300m, this means that there would be an average travel time of 0.12 (1/8) seconds. This is negligible, and I would argue that we currently deal with a delay of more than this on a regular basis.

Admittedly, there are more pressing issues to be addressed in the game currently, so this is by no means a demand for an immediate fix, but if you think that this class isn't currently underpowered, you're kidding yourself.

Lag isnt bullet travel time. You may need to look into a better internet provider. However .12 seconds is a correct travel time of a bullet going this speed it is wrong because bullets slow down. The faster a bullet is the faster it slows down. So at 300 meters id CRUDELY guess a travel time of about .3 seconds. For a better estimate we would need to know the surface area, shape, density, and length, BUT thats about .45 meters or 1.5 feet that you would need to lead your target

Lag isnt bullet travel time. You may need to look into a better internet provider. However .12 seconds is a correct travel time of a bullet going this speed it is wrong because bullets slow down. The faster a bullet is the faster it slows down. So at 300 meters id CRUDELY guess a travel time of about .3 seconds. For a better estimate we would need to know the surface area, shape, density, and length, BUT thats about .45 meters or 1.5 feet that you would need to lead your target

I feel like I need to quote myself, there are a lot of people putting forward absolute rubbish arguments



This is not about OHKs, this is about achieving a reasonable level of damage to make sniping all classes of players *plausible*. Currently it is not plausible to even bother with the upper echelon of players as they are much more effort than they are worth. 4-5 shots with the best non officer sniper in the game? You have got to be joking. If you think this is balanced you need to re-evaluate your concept of balance.

To all of those people talking about bullet travel time and the ability to "see across the entire map". Maybe it would be a good idea to actually play the class before chiming in with your "omg-i-got-sniped-plz-nerf" opinions, because if you had you would know a couple of things:

1) The render range is limited to around 400-450m, which is about HALF the size of any map (sometimes less), and a full 200m less than our weapon ranges.

2) Depending on the match, there can be and often is a significant amount of latency and/or input lag. This is essentially the same as adding in bullet travel time. The reason I say this is that the bullet velocity is 2500 m/s (stated in the description). With an average kill distance (for arguments sake) of 300m, this means that there would be an average travel time of 0.12 (1/8) seconds. This is negligible, and I would argue that we currently deal with a delay of more than this on a regular basis.

Admittedly, there are more pressing issues to be addressed in the game currently, so this is by no means a demand for an immediate fix, but if you think that this class isn't currently underpowered, you're kidding yourself.

This guy here is telling us that adding travel time is impossible as the size of the map is to large and to much going on for a ps3 to handle.

Militia - 190
Standard - 235
Advance - 310
Prototype 385
Charged 420 - Non charges 295.? Maybe little more.

Congratulations on misinterpreting entirely what I have said. Nowhere at all did I make reference to the ability of the ps3 to handle any of these new features, except to reference an earlier poster who claimed to have information from Wolfman that bullet drop wouldn't be feasible; which wasn't even in this post.

I'm AGREEING with you, you imbecile. However, In relation to the figures you've provided:



The base figures you've provided for prototype and charged are too high. In addition to increasing damage of the standard rifle relative to the charge from 71.4% to 91.6%, essentially rendering the charge rifle pointless, when proficiency 5 is taken into account these figures turn into:
Ishukone: 442.75
Charge: 483
and then with 3 damage mods they become:
Ishukone: 559.56
Charge: 610.426

These figures would allow most prototype assault suits to be OHK, which is unacceptable. I'm all for a moderate increase in damage but what you've proposed would render the charge rifle irrelevant and make the sniper rifle well overpowered.

Yeah agreed that when sniping actually takes alot more skill then yeah, at the moment dust sniping is the easiest in any game iv ever played next to auto aim as a kid gamer. If there was sway and bullet drop and the ability to hold your breath to stop sway for a time based on stamina then yeah but as it stands its too easy, iv gone 48/1 sniping and im not that good at it.

This is just my opinion but the FACT is that sniping is already too easy to implement that amount of damage.

How bout I start over on what I wanted in the first place.

3 things.
1. Range. I hate how it does so little over the effective range. Just saying I hate it. Not sure on the numbers of range present. But I was wondering how these numbers would work.
First in order of type of rifle.
Militia - 300m effective range. with a damage decrease of .05% every meter up to 350m and 1% at every meter till 400m and it stays that way. that is a 75% less damage at 400m and 100% at 300m

Standard - Effective range 400m same with above with the damage decrease.
Advance would be 450m and Prototype would be 500m.

2. Scope. The scope would only work on standard - Prototypes. Militia stays the same now. But when zoomed in with L1 you press your Melee and it adds more zoom. I was thinking twice the zoom in but think that might be too much.

3 Difference between the Riffles.

Militia - Damage 130
Range 300m
Clip size 3
Fire rate normal
Reload speed Slow


Standard - Damage 200
Range 400m
Clip size 5
Fire rate Normal
Enhanced zoom
Reload speed normal



Advance - Damage 240
Range 450m
Clip size 3
Fire rate slow
Enhanced zoom
Reload speed slow


Prototype - Damage 268
Range 500m
Clip size 2
Fire rate normal
Enhanced zoom
Reload speed fast

Normal Fire rate is based on present numbers. Fast is 35% - 50% faster. Slow is 35% -50% slower.
Normal Reload speed is based on present numbers. Fast is 25% - 35% faster. Slow is 40% - 50% slower. Not sure where the numbers should be. This is I think a better draft of numbers. Tact Rifles are somewhere between 50% - 75% effectiveness then normal rifles.

If public matches were the sole criteria by which sniping could be judged, I would agree with you.

But my criteria are high-tier PC battles. Where both teams are working 100% organically.
In that context, sniping is highly insufficient as a supporting anti-infantry weapon.

When you're on a good team, taking on another good team with skilled experienced players. It's awesome and intense.
When I was running my Cal Assault, the snipers weren't there. To my memory.... a sniper has never even killed me in a PC battle when i was running assault.
It just will not happen.

Challenge Eon to a PC match. Bring your snipers. Watch and see how you get railroaded. Remember the battle. Don't repeat it.
The FUNCTION of sniping in Dust IS easy, it's the APPLICATION in significant battles that takes skill.
Went 13/1 in the last PC battle I was in. One suicide, just to switch to my Thale's.... its the only sniper that functions well vs. everyone. Locked down my objective and its perimeter using a combination of REs and sniper fire. Changed positions regularly to throw sniper fire at heavy choke points. Again, the practical application of a sniper rifle is what takes skill, not just it's function.

Can you finish that hostile off before he kills your buddy?
Can you neutralize that hostile squad running out in the open?
In high-end proto matches, proto sniper rifles just CANNOT do it.

The problem with sniper rifles is that when you get into "True Proto level" (proto suits, proto modules, proto weapons) any sniper rifle short of the Thale's is grossly underpowered. I HAD to switch to the Thale's for my sniper fire to be efficient in that match. Why couldn't the Ishukone do it? Takes 3-4 rounds to drop someone. Too weak. The Kaalakiota? Don't make me laugh. It's RoF means batshit when it shoots only 3 weak rounds. The Charge? Now you're talking, but in heavy fighting, that RoF is very poor for significant support.
Proto rifles vs. powerful opponents in meaningful battles have VERY poor TTK. It all boils down to TTK (time to kill). It would be great if Tactical sniper rifles had 5 rounds, and the Charge was a guaranteed OHK (it does about 440 neutral body damage. -10% vs. shields. +10% vs. armor, but it's TTK is still bad.)

All this is said with vs. high-end proto in mind. Sniper rifles are balanced fine for your every day pub stomp. But the high-end fights is where they are really suffering a lack.

You joking right?
Sniping is the easiest and most efficient profession right now.
What's important is how many clones you lose vs how many you kill, because clones = money and respawns.
Snipers are the safest and can just point and shoot and deal MASSIVE damage.
Especially the charged version.


Snipers need bullet drop and travel time, so it's not just point, shoot, collect free WP.

so people want to make the sniper rifle take more skill and possibly ruin the gun?

I'm glad there are smart snipers that see how incompetant sniping is. I have prof. 5 with pro snipers, I got enhanced mods. I hear that the complex mods aren't cutting it either, what a joke. We need a buff and reliable PRO sniper rifles.

I used the 48/1 in a pub match as reference to how easy it is to snipe, iv been here since day one of closed beta, I too have played alot of corp battles and planetary conquest battles ALWAYS against the best, an example is facing imps around 23 times in a row lol. A to snipe you don't have to kill to be effective, try softening people up, you had to bring out your thales yeah because as you stated it's s high end organised match. I have been killed in 1 or two shots by a thales in planetary conquest plenty, it just seems you want planetary conquest matches as easy as pub matches for snipers.

Before you hate just wait. Snipers are the fear gods of Shooters. A great sniper should be able to make ppl fear him. I do not see that in this game. I feel like sniping isnt as dangerous as other shooters. When I hit a guy and it takes a quarter of his health off. It pisses me off cause now he runs and hides and escapes. Even with Head shots its like he doesnt die. WHY?! I mean a head shot in any other means is and should be fatal.

Let Sniper shots kill in 1 shot if its a head shot. Reward skill and patience for lining up a head shot. And buff the basic damage of a sniper shot so that low suit players get one shoted and proto players can be 2 shoted. If a proto players gets hit it makes since to let him take cover. but a basic suit militia suit and even a advance suit player gets one shoted. Tact snipers should be at a 65% dmg of normal sniper rifles and shoot at a 50% fire rate. But buff the normal rifle dmg for 45% - 65% dmg.

I suggested a Boost to base damage and a better scope with a zoom. as well as lower tier rifles doing less then higher tier rifles. But no one seems to want to judge it if it was good numbers.

I haven't read through this thread but I just want to chime in with some points.

When Negative-Feedback was active in Planetary Conquest at the start of it we usually used a sniper. In some matches we even used two snipers but that was mostly due to not really having a replacement for them online, and at least one of them was able to switch roles mid-battle if he had to. A sniper used right in PC can be very deadly.

Our snipers, from what I remember, mainly used the Ishukone (they will tell you the Charged is useless in these battles), and not the Thale's. I remember one of them going 23-0 in a highly competitive match, and in a lot of our matches the sniper played a very huge role in securing the victory.

Good snipers are valuable in PC matches. If you're not a top notch sniper, find another role, because bad snipers won't be needed.

Snipers are not meant to solo the entire other team. They're meant to support their team, so you better start doing just that instead complaining that you need a million shots to kill a heavy on your own. Newsflash, the heavy is supposed to be able to soak up a lot of damage.

Are you guys telling me that almost 350 body damage with the Ishukone is too little? That is around 600 headshot damage? Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how good that is, if you're just supporting your team instead of trying to solo the other team?

Unless CCP is about to remove the damage mods and/or the proficiency skill, the damage will most certainly not be increased on the snipers. If they increased the base damage on the snipers, they'll become extremely OP with damage mods, which should be taken into account, yes.

If you're complaining that you need to have proficiency 5 and a ton of damage mods to be competitive in PC matches, then get out of here right now. What do you expect? If you're a dedicated sniper, you're exactly expected to get proficiency 5 and use at least 3 damage mods (yes, that's right, you don't necessarily need anymore than that, since the 4th and 5th damage mods don't add that much extra damage anyway).

That was before the Damage Profile change.
I don't want a a single thing to be done to the base damages.

Sniper Rifles were absolutely perfectly fine before the Damage Profile "nerf", but every 35 points off a shot, and 40 points off a shot makes a difference against players where that MINUTE difference matters. Mainly shield assaults that start regenerating shields almost instantly if you don't knock them empty.

Make sniper headshots instant kills and you will never hear a complaint out of me.

The sniper is a hybrid railgun weapon and will therefore be a 90/110 weapon. The same with the forge gun, which was fine before the change, and is still fine. The sniper is fine as well.

Everyone and their mother are shield tanked at the moment, which of course makes it harder for the snipers, however that is due to armor being bad. You don't solve this problem by doing anything but balancing shield vs armor.

In an ideal situation, infantry would be closer to 50/50 shield/armor tankers, in which case there would be absolutely no problem with snipers.

You also haven't mentioned that since heavies have more armor than shields, this damage profile change (yes, change, not nerf), have actually made them easier to kill now?

And just lol at you wanting headshots to be instant kill. Would that apply to heavies with 1.2k+ HP as well? If not, why not? A headshot is a headshot, I would imagine?

So basically, you're telling me I'm absolutely wrong, but I'm absolutely right?

Sits there and admits that the problem is present because of the *intended* damage profile; exacerbated by the fact that the majority are shield assaults. Points out, that it's an effect of shields being superior to armor; thank you Mr. Obvious.
But still says "the sniper is fine as well".

lol....

A domino effect of failure does not make something fine. I'm sorry. I don't want to come across as rude. Did you have a point you wanted to make?

Heavies have more armor than they do shields? You sure? No they don't. They are 50/50 on their shields and armor. Depends on the build that a particular heavy wants to make. They can bias either/or. :)

Forge guns already 1 shot heavies on direct body hits. Something wrong with a sniper doing that on the head?
Let me particular... a Charge Sniper Rifle on headshot? Isn't that doing around 900 damage? OOPS. That's already 1-shotting Heavies.
Or would that be arguing a domino effect of failure and calling it "fine", like you did with the snipers.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass dude.
The only time snipers will be fine again is when we have an anti-shield variant. A racial variant sniper rifle with 110/90. When? Who knows... It should have been released when the damage profiles were altered, imho.

Before you hate just wait. Snipers are the fear gods of Shooters. A great sniper should be able to make ppl fear him. I do not see that in this game. I feel like sniping isnt as dangerous as other shooters. When I hit a guy and it takes a quarter of his health off. It pisses me off cause now he runs and hides and escapes. Even with Head shots its like he doesnt die. WHY?! I mean a head shot in any other means is and should be fatal.

Let Sniper shots kill in 1 shot if its a head shot. Reward skill and patience for lining up a head shot. And buff the basic damage of a sniper shot so that low suit players get one shoted and proto players can be 2 shoted. If a proto players gets hit it makes since to let him take cover. but a basic suit militia suit and even a advance suit player gets one shoted. Tact snipers should be at a 65% dmg of normal sniper rifles and shoot at a 50% fire rate. But buff the normal rifle dmg for 45% - 65% dmg.

There's no problem with the Sniper doing 90/110 damage to shield/armor since it's a hybrid railgun damage type. I just said that with the current situation with everyone shield tanking the Sniper might seem worse than it would be if infantry were split 50/50 between shields and armor.

Heavies will generally have more armor than shields after modules are applied.

Forge Gun is a heavy weapon which is naturally doing more damage, or are you also complaining about Railguns one-shotting people with direct hits? Forge Gun also has no scope and travel time, so hitting people at extreme ranges is practically impossible (the Sniper also has more range to begin with), plus the shots don't always hit at the center of the reticule. Basically stop comparing the Forge Gun with the Sniper.

What's wrong with a Charged Sniper one-shotting people with headshots if it's doing more damage than the enemy has health? With that said, I think it does a little less than 900 headshot damage, plus heavies have way more health than that. If an enemy has less than 600 health you're welcome to one-shot him with a headshot with the Ishukone, I don't see a problem with that.

There's also no confirmed plans for an anti-shields sniper rifle of any kind (unless the Amarr heavy weapon will act as a sniper, which I doubt as I know it will serve as both AV and AI). There is however a shorter ranged Precision Rifle coming at some point that will be doing 95/110 damage.

Also you still ignored all my other points about supporting your team instead of trying to solo everyone.

Well, apparently the problem would already be solved, I guess. Caldari Logis will have less shields come 1.3 and since they're your only problem everything should be fine come tuesday. What are you ranting about then?

They didn't change the damage profile for the Sniper, they changed the damage profile for hybrid railguns, which inludes the Sniper (the others are the Railgun and Forge Gun + the future Rail Rifle, Bolt Pistol and Magsec SMG).

If the entire other team is Caldari and you know you won't be effective as a sniper, then why are you rolling as sniper? Honestly though, I don't really know why a 30-35 damage "nerf" against Caldari suits is worth crying over. If you're supporting your team you're either killing the Caldari, getting assists on them or at least pushing them back into cover until your teammates can finish them off. Either way you're an asset to your team.

We don't necessarily need any more anti-shields weapons apart from an AV one. We already have the Laser, Scrambler Rifle/Pistol, AR and Shotgun. Although, more anti-shields weapons are confirmed for coming at some point, 2 heavy and 3 sidearm weapons.

The only existing problem is that explosive weapons are doing more than the 120% damage to armor they're supposed to.

I want respecs implemented too

Well, apparently the problem would already be solved, I guess. Caldari Logis will have less shields come 1.3 and since they're your only problem everything should be fine come tuesday. What are you ranting about then?

They didn't change the damage profile for the Sniper, they changed the damage profile for hybrid railguns, which inludes the Sniper (the others are the Railgun and Forge Gun + the future Rail Rifle, Bolt Pistol and Magsec SMG).

If the entire other team is Caldari and you know you won't be effective as a sniper, then why are you rolling as sniper? Honestly though, I don't really know why a 30-35 damage "nerf" against Caldari suits is worth crying over. If you're supporting your team you're either killing the Caldari, getting assists on them or at least pushing them back into cover until your teammates can finish them off. Either way you're an asset to your team.

We don't necessarily need any more anti-shields weapons apart from an AV one. We already have the Laser, Scrambler Rifle/Pistol, AR and Shotgun. Although, more anti-shields weapons are confirmed for coming at some point, 2 heavy and 3 sidearm weapons.

The only existing problem is that explosive weapons are doing more than the 120% damage to armor they're supposed to.

I want respecs implemented too

Your kind doesn't belong here. Best if you just left now. (That means no.)


Peace, Godin

So everyone is content with the damage snipers are doing now? REALLY? wow. Some ppl just need to learn how Shooters work. Play other games instead of CoD. Like Socom. Black hawk down. Spec ops. Battlefield. Just to name a few. Snipers in there have at least ONE one shot kill rifle. And the game isnt dead or broken. Im not trying to say boost the damage to a one shot kill anymore. Im asking for a small boost in damage at the least. OR at the least make it where the better the rifle the more damage it does. Cause right now the Pro rifle does like 20 points of damage more then the trucking standard. Or militia I think. sad really when I spend 500% more isk and all I get is a small 20 points of damage. Get outta here with all that sht. Learn to play real shooters before making a shooter. Sniper rifle? more like pea shooter with a scope. And sorry you cant convince me other wise.

I am a born sniper! I have killed thousands in other shooters games. I know the pain and struggles of other snipers. And let me tell you. I shouldnt have to hit a target 4-5 times to kill it. Oh and I do get kills and SUPPORT my team when I am in one. So dont tell me its about supporting your teammates or sht like that. Cause I kno that. I know all points of view from both sides of the field and I still believe that snipers should get either a makeover or a buff to its base damage. BUT if damage wont get buffed up then for the LOVE of ALL that is Holy and Unholy. Give us an enhanced zoom! Then and only then will I be content like the majority of you guys with the damage my sniper is able to dish out. Until then I am waving the FIX SNIPERS FLAG!

So everyone is content with the damage snipers are doing now? REALLY? wow. Some ppl just need to learn how Shooters work. Play other games instead of CoD. Like Socom. Black hawk down. Spec ops. Battlefield. Just to name a few. Snipers in there have at least ONE one shot kill rifle. And the game isnt dead or broken. Im not trying to say boost the damage to a one shot kill anymore. Im asking for a small boost in damage at the least. OR at the least make it where the better the rifle the more damage it does. Cause right now the Pro rifle does like 20 points of damage more then the trucking standard. Or militia I think. sad really when I spend 500% more isk and all I get is a small 20 points of damage. Get outta here with all that sht. Learn to play real shooters before making a shooter. Sniper rifle? more like pea shooter with a scope. And sorry you cant convince me other wise.

Nope, it's stupidly easy to snipe in this game.

Btw I'm all in favor of the Sniper being able to OHK most suits (with headshots) if the sniper was only able to lock down one specific chokepoint at a time. With the current map designs however, the damage is just fine.

I wonder why all the good snipers don't seem to have any significant trouble with dominating. Maybe you aren't a good sniper and should find something else to do? Just a thought.

Do those games have you pay for EACH AND EVERY suit you wear? Or do they come preasseembled out of a box? And, if you had to pay, say, 3000 CoD points per life, wouldn't you be getting upset that the weakestsniper 2 shots you? If the balance is so much better in cod, THEN PLAY COD. Just. Can i has your stuffs? Kinds wanting proto snipers to mess arousnd with

I agree, wholeheartedly. It's an absolute joke that I can have proficiency 5, 3 complex damage mods and a charge sniper rifle, and it STILL takes me 4-5 shots to take down some heavies, and usually 3 for any decently fit proto logi or assault. Lets put this in perspective; this is a prototype weapon with the highest damage of any sniper not an officer in the game. It is comparable to the Thales in damage, and with the charge time it still takes me a minimum of 12 seconds to down a well fit proto player. In terms of sniping, 12 seconds is an absolute eternity in terms of finding cover... let alone 20 seconds that some heavies will have. This hardly makes us a class to be feared by our equals.

Sure, the proto sniper does well against std and adv opponents, but is that really the standard we hold the weapon to to be balanced?


NOTE: times calculated based on 4 sec charge time, though I have not tested this

Sniping should be more difficult in this game. Since the rifles shoot a projectile there should be all sorts of issues with long range sniping that require skill to compensate for and i dont mean just dumping sp into something. Although perhaps there should be a module and skill called sniper assist that attempts to show where you should aim to accurately hit a target. Factors that should be considered would be gravity / bullet drop and wind. I dont think heart rate should be a factor because the suite should compensate for that and provide for a solid shooting platform.
Not sure that a head shot should = instant kill all the time either honestly because of the shields that should protect the head. But if the riffle can do enough damage to penetrate the shields and do say 1/4 armor (because the head would have armor just much less and 1/4 is a guess.) then it should kill because then to me the bullet managed to blow out the shields and small amount of protection and hit a vital organ.