Snipers have way too much as it is. Hide in the redline and still be able to see across the entire map. Hide on top of a unscalable tower because stairs are too OP. Have almost no way to find you and you do insane amounts of damage. Plus objectives that are completely wide open so are nearly impossible to hack because people can see you from their redline.

Snipers need no love, they get all the love in the maps anyways. Giant bowls that are completely flat with very little cover. Redlines that extend to about 50m from objectives.

Maybe once we get shield bubbles and new maps that are more urban we could talk.

Until sniping involves skill they should be nerfed to 50% damage for body shots. After bullet travel time and bulet drop are added maybe give a damage buff

Dude,

Don't even joke about that. There is a ****-load of skill in sniping.

When was the last time you killed a running target at 400m? If you can, it's not luck. You have to lead them - travel time is in the game.

For running targets, if you hit them once, strip their armour, and do it again to kill them, it's not luck.

Good snipers can do it fairly often.

I don't think of myself as an awesome sniper but I can usually hit running targets a dozen times per game (sometimes more). Not all are kills but some are, the rest are assists because my CQC colleagues finish them off.

People just don't stand around smoking and chatting in militia gear like n00bs anymore.


Munch

I can do this anytime i snipe. There is no bullet travel time though. This may be why you think its hard

Why would I think it's hard?

It is hard.

I lead my targets and it works.

If there is no travel time then what I'm noticing might be lag. But it has the same effect as travel time and I see it in every game on every map.

I have to lead my targets.


Munch

Before you hate just wait. Snipers are the fear gods of Shooters. A great sniper should be able to make ppl fear him. I do not see that in this game. I feel like sniping isnt as dangerous as other shooters. When I hit a guy and it takes a quarter of his health off. It pisses me off cause now he runs and hides and escapes. Even with Head shots its like he doesnt die. WHY?! I mean a head shot in any other means is and should be fatal.

Let Sniper shots kill in 1 shot if its a head shot. Reward skill and patience for lining up a head shot. And buff the basic damage of a sniper shot so that low suit players get one shoted and proto players can be 2 shoted. If a proto players gets hit it makes since to let him take cover. but a basic suit militia suit and even a advance suit player gets one shoted. Tact snipers should be at a 65% dmg of normal sniper rifles and shoot at a 50% fire rate. But buff the normal rifle dmg for 45% - 65% dmg.

[In the future where immortal super soldier that wear highly protective armors , no one fears snipers. Snipers are NOT the killers they are in other FPS, but more of a tactical/support role. (like covering certain Letters in skirmish or give cover fire to assault units, INFORMING their teammates of enemy locations , etc....)

PLUS snipers are still good and DO get a powerful headshot bonus.
I go 15-2 with a covenant sniper rifle or the Basic TAC when i snipe.

And snipers 1HKO my scout suit every time, and my min runs 410HP....

so i really dont know what you are talking about broski.

I can kill protos with basic sniper rifles. Snipers need to try out their gun game in the playing field before they come to the forums to ask for OHK's

... It's an absolute joke that I can have proficiency 5, 3 complex damage mods and a charge sniper rifle, and it STILL takes me 4-5 shots to take down some heavies, and usually 3 for any decently fit proto logi or assault. Lets put this in perspective; this is a prototype weapon with the highest damage of any sniper not an officer in the game. It is comparable to the Thales in damage, and with the charge time it still takes me a minimum of 12 seconds to down a well fit proto player. In terms of sniping, 12 seconds is an absolute eternity in terms of finding cover... let alone 20 seconds that some heavies will have. This hardly makes us a class to be feared by our equals.

Sure, the proto sniper does well against std and adv opponents, but is that really the standard we hold the weapon to to be balanced?


NOTE: times calculated based on 4 sec charge time, though I have not tested this

I feel like I need to quote myself, there are a lot of people putting forward absolute rubbish arguments



This is not about OHKs, this is about achieving a reasonable level of damage to make sniping all classes of players *plausible*. Currently it is not plausible to even bother with the upper echelon of players as they are much more effort than they are worth. 4-5 shots with the best non officer sniper in the game? You have got to be joking. If you think this is balanced you need to re-evaluate your concept of balance.

To all of those people talking about bullet travel time and the ability to "see across the entire map". Maybe it would be a good idea to actually play the class before chiming in with your "omg-i-got-sniped-plz-nerf" opinions, because if you had you would know a couple of things:

1) The render range is limited to around 400-450m, which is about HALF the size of any map (sometimes less), and a full 200m less than our weapon ranges.

2) Depending on the match, there can be and often is a significant amount of latency and/or input lag. This is essentially the same as adding in bullet travel time. The reason I say this is that the bullet velocity is 2500 m/s (stated in the description). With an average kill distance (for arguments sake) of 300m, this means that there would be an average travel time of 0.12 (1/8) seconds. This is negligible, and I would argue that we currently deal with a delay of more than this on a regular basis.

Admittedly, there are more pressing issues to be addressed in the game currently, so this is by no means a demand for an immediate fix, but if you think that this class isn't currently underpowered, you're kidding yourself.

Lag isnt bullet travel time. You may need to look into a better internet provider. However .12 seconds is a correct travel time of a bullet going this speed it is wrong because bullets slow down. The faster a bullet is the faster it slows down. So at 300 meters id CRUDELY guess a travel time of about .3 seconds. For a better estimate we would need to know the surface area, shape, density, and length, BUT thats about .45 meters or 1.5 feet that you would need to lead your target

Lag isnt bullet travel time. You may need to look into a better internet provider. However .12 seconds is a correct travel time of a bullet going this speed it is wrong because bullets slow down. The faster a bullet is the faster it slows down. So at 300 meters id CRUDELY guess a travel time of about .3 seconds. For a better estimate we would need to know the surface area, shape, density, and length, BUT thats about .45 meters or 1.5 feet that you would need to lead your target

I feel like I need to quote myself, there are a lot of people putting forward absolute rubbish arguments



This is not about OHKs, this is about achieving a reasonable level of damage to make sniping all classes of players *plausible*. Currently it is not plausible to even bother with the upper echelon of players as they are much more effort than they are worth. 4-5 shots with the best non officer sniper in the game? You have got to be joking. If you think this is balanced you need to re-evaluate your concept of balance.

To all of those people talking about bullet travel time and the ability to "see across the entire map". Maybe it would be a good idea to actually play the class before chiming in with your "omg-i-got-sniped-plz-nerf" opinions, because if you had you would know a couple of things:

1) The render range is limited to around 400-450m, which is about HALF the size of any map (sometimes less), and a full 200m less than our weapon ranges.

2) Depending on the match, there can be and often is a significant amount of latency and/or input lag. This is essentially the same as adding in bullet travel time. The reason I say this is that the bullet velocity is 2500 m/s (stated in the description). With an average kill distance (for arguments sake) of 300m, this means that there would be an average travel time of 0.12 (1/8) seconds. This is negligible, and I would argue that we currently deal with a delay of more than this on a regular basis.

Admittedly, there are more pressing issues to be addressed in the game currently, so this is by no means a demand for an immediate fix, but if you think that this class isn't currently underpowered, you're kidding yourself.

This guy here is telling us that adding travel time is impossible as the size of the map is to large and to much going on for a ps3 to handle.

Militia - 190
Standard - 235
Advance - 310
Prototype 385
Charged 420 - Non charges 295.? Maybe little more.

Congratulations on misinterpreting entirely what I have said. Nowhere at all did I make reference to the ability of the ps3 to handle any of these new features, except to reference an earlier poster who claimed to have information from Wolfman that bullet drop wouldn't be feasible; which wasn't even in this post.

I'm AGREEING with you, you imbecile. However, In relation to the figures you've provided:



The base figures you've provided for prototype and charged are too high. In addition to increasing damage of the standard rifle relative to the charge from 71.4% to 91.6%, essentially rendering the charge rifle pointless, when proficiency 5 is taken into account these figures turn into:
Ishukone: 442.75
Charge: 483
and then with 3 damage mods they become:
Ishukone: 559.56
Charge: 610.426

These figures would allow most prototype assault suits to be OHK, which is unacceptable. I'm all for a moderate increase in damage but what you've proposed would render the charge rifle irrelevant and make the sniper rifle well overpowered.

Yeah agreed that when sniping actually takes alot more skill then yeah, at the moment dust sniping is the easiest in any game iv ever played next to auto aim as a kid gamer. If there was sway and bullet drop and the ability to hold your breath to stop sway for a time based on stamina then yeah but as it stands its too easy, iv gone 48/1 sniping and im not that good at it.

This is just my opinion but the FACT is that sniping is already too easy to implement that amount of damage.

How bout I start over on what I wanted in the first place.

3 things.
1. Range. I hate how it does so little over the effective range. Just saying I hate it. Not sure on the numbers of range present. But I was wondering how these numbers would work.
First in order of type of rifle.
Militia - 300m effective range. with a damage decrease of .05% every meter up to 350m and 1% at every meter till 400m and it stays that way. that is a 75% less damage at 400m and 100% at 300m

Standard - Effective range 400m same with above with the damage decrease.
Advance would be 450m and Prototype would be 500m.

2. Scope. The scope would only work on standard - Prototypes. Militia stays the same now. But when zoomed in with L1 you press your Melee and it adds more zoom. I was thinking twice the zoom in but think that might be too much.

3 Difference between the Riffles.

Militia - Damage 130
Range 300m
Clip size 3
Fire rate normal
Reload speed Slow


Standard - Damage 200
Range 400m
Clip size 5
Fire rate Normal
Enhanced zoom
Reload speed normal



Advance - Damage 240
Range 450m
Clip size 3
Fire rate slow
Enhanced zoom
Reload speed slow


Prototype - Damage 268
Range 500m
Clip size 2
Fire rate normal
Enhanced zoom
Reload speed fast

Normal Fire rate is based on present numbers. Fast is 35% - 50% faster. Slow is 35% -50% slower.
Normal Reload speed is based on present numbers. Fast is 25% - 35% faster. Slow is 40% - 50% slower. Not sure where the numbers should be. This is I think a better draft of numbers. Tact Rifles are somewhere between 50% - 75% effectiveness then normal rifles.