That is incorrect, Heavenly Daughter. The base splash damage for all prototype forge guns is 277.2. Not even close to 720, even with damage mods and Forge Gun Proficiency at level 5. I use the Ishukone Assault Forge Gun every day, so I know what it's capable of.

Yes that correct, partly, One of those weapons is capable of doing 2 shots in less than 2 seconds. so 277.2 X 2 plus the damage mods plus what you get from the forging skills will push it over 700.

Yes that correct, partly, One of those weapons is capable of doing 2 shots in less than 2 seconds. so 277.2 X 2 plus the damage mods plus what you get from the forging skills will push it over 700.

Actually It does, You ask Why should an AV weapon not kill infantry, for exactly the same reason and infantry weapon cannot take out vehicles, they have a 10% effectiveness, so this imbalance still needs to be addressed.

H.D

This is also false. It takes roughly 2 seconds to charge up the assault variant with Forge Gun Operation at level 5, so in reality firing two shots takes about 4 seconds. It is mathematically impossible to fire two forge run rounds in less than two seconds, unless there is a special version of the assault variant that I have yet to encounter.

277 x 1.2 (we shall assume that the stacking penalty got removed and heavies can only have two)

why that comes to...332.4 so 2 shots =

664.8 splash damage.

tankable on anything but a scout.

Oh by the way, Kobrah, you are quick to dismiss people as scrubs who can't hack it.

Here's a hint: No one cares what you think. You're mad because someone figured out how to use a weapon you're incapable of using to smear you all over the battlefield and now you want it screwed because you're offended that heavies can be relevant. It's a common problem.

It's a shocker, I know, that not everyone considers your opinion relevant. But I'm sure you will cope somehow.

Your little temper tantrums undermine your position when people use LOGIC to derail your arguments. It's a given that you can fit to tank forge gun splash.

I'm sorry you think doing so is beneath you. I'll call Free Beers to hold your Hand. He won't nova knife you I promise.

that flash of light followed by the respawn screen was my forge gun killing you.

Yes that correct, partly, One of those weapons is capable of doing 2 shots in less than 2 seconds. so 277.2 X 2 plus the damage mods plus what you get from the forging skills will push it over 700.

It's called the "blackmagic special" Assault Forge Win Gun. The Devs give them to Goons to ruin DUST don't you know.

i though the final charge time was 1.875 not 1.2 O_o or am i wrong here.

+15% with Forge Gun Proficiency at level 5.

i though the final charge time was 1.875 not 1.2 O_o or am i wrong here.

1.2 is the multiplier you use for two complex damage mods. the max a heavy can use.

Jesus is math really that hard?

BTW it's actually lower than 1.2 because of stacking penalties but you know... :effort:

Yes, the swarm launcher used to be free fire too, and it was changed with absolutely no lore reason given.

277 x 1.2 (we shall assume that the stacking penalty got removed and heavies can only have two)

why that comes to...332.4 so 2 shots =

664.8 splash damage.

tankable on anything but a scout.

Oh by the way, Kobrah, you are quick to dismiss people as scrubs who can't hack it.

Here's a hint: No one cares what you think. You're mad because someone figured out how to use a weapon you're incapable of using to smear you all over the battlefield and now you want it screwed because you're offended that heavies can be relevant. It's a common problem.

It's a shocker, I know, that not everyone considers your opinion relevant. But I'm sure you will cope somehow.

Your little temper tantrums undermine your position when people use LOGIC to derail your arguments. It's a given that you can fit to tank forge gun splash.

I'm sorry you think doing so is beneath you. I'll call Free Beers to hold your Hand. He won't nova knife you I promise.

that flash of light followed by the respawn screen was my forge gun killing you.

i'm aware it's a hybrid damage weapon. the fact it's two shotting a suit with 550 shields still stands. you'd get two-shotted with 550 armor, too.

Does anyone even use the Officer FG (which can fire in less than a second)? For all practicality the number used should be the Assault Forge Gun with max skills at 1.875 seconds. Anything else is a bit too theoretical.

I made a thread like this a few months ago, it got 11 pages, and everyone thought I was trolling.

I'm not.

Forge guns are so hyper accurate they're arguably the best anti-infantry weapon when you have the high ground...huge splash damage and extremely fast re-fire speed, you have maybe 3 seconds to find cover once you take splash damage from a proto forge gun...that is, if you weren't outright one-shotted by the splash damage.

These are AV WEAPONS and SHOULD NOT be killing infantry more effectively than most weapons.

They SHOULD NOT function better than sniper rifles as anti infantry.

Splash damage needs to be reduced to almost nothing, the fact you can take out ~400 shields with 1 splash of a good FG puts the flaylock pistol to shame

Please CCP, this forge gun madness has to stop.

here's the 11 page thread if anyone is interested.

I'm so bad at the game I have to resort to scrub tactics to fish for 1-2 kills a game

The Gastuns FG has a 2.1 sec base, Assault is 2.5 sec base. Still not less than 1 second. It's main advantage is a 6 round mag and increased ammo capacity.

Op changes the basis for his argument every other page... Even his beloved sniper buddy comes in here with completely inaccurate information. Have either of these guys even picked up a forge gun in the last 6 months?

Do they even lift?

The Gastuns FG has a 2.1 sec base, Assault is 2.5 sec base. Still not less than 1 second. It's main advantage is a 6 round mag and increased ammo capacity.

Op changes the basis for his argument every other page... Even his beloved sniper buddy comes in here with completely inaccurate information. Have either of these guys even picked up a forge gun in the last 6 months?

Do they even lift?

Nobody has posted inaccurate information. The charge time is less than two seconds when skilled into and it does more than 700 damage in two splash shots.

the argument has always been forge gun is too strong vs infantry despite how hard everyone has tried to change it.

I don't know about you, but I have never seen anyone use the officer forge gun, even in PC matches. I do see a lot of Ishukone Assault Forge Guns though.

Which is still a less than 2 second charge time...