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Officer weapons are often much better than regular weapons, hence their rarity.

EDIT: My bad, I guess you were referring to the assault FG. Yes, it's still less than 2 seconds with maxed skills, but only for 360 splash damage.

You're just re-affirming everything i've been saying..720 in 2 splash hits less than 2 seconds

That's only if you know it's coming..once you get hit, you have under two seconds to somehow scramble into cover. the old laser rifle was the same way, once you were hit with it and realize it's there, you were already dead

not even the flaylock is this bad, i can take three shots just fine, gives me more than enough time to get away from it or kill the guy.

nothing to do with map design. forge gun two shotting people so fast is not acceptable for game balance even if in your mind it takes "4 seconds" when in the majority of the situations it's going to be 2.

It is never 2 seconds. Just because the targeted player wasn't aware of the forge gun doesn't mean that the two seconds it took to charge up the first shot don't count.

it's that kind of thinking that makes things imbalanced, sure the number is 4 seconds on paper, but that's not the case in battle.

how does that two seconds factor in when the people you're shooting don't know they're being targeted? they even removed the huge ball of light from the end of forge guns so it's even harder to tell.

and the flaylock only does 200 splash damage with a 3m blast radius and only a 3 round mag

doesn't sound OP at all on paper right?

you can't balance weapons based on numbers alone.

I made a thread like this a few months ago, it got 11 pages, and everyone thought I was trolling.

I'm not.

Forge guns are so hyper accurate they're arguably the best anti-infantry weapon when you have the high ground...huge splash damage and extremely fast re-fire speed, you have maybe 3 seconds to find cover once you take splash damage from a proto forge gun...that is, if you weren't outright one-shotted by the splash damage.

These are AV WEAPONS and SHOULD NOT be killing infantry more effectively than most weapons.

They SHOULD NOT function better than sniper rifles as anti infantry.

Splash damage needs to be reduced to almost nothing, the fact you can take out ~400 shields with 1 splash of a good FG puts the flaylock pistol to shame

Please CCP, this forge gun madness has to stop.

here's the 11 page thread if anyone is interested.

OMG, you really should rethink your position. This "imbalance" you speak of is actually an act of balancing. Do a reality check. If someone gives you an AK47, and asks you to "kill" a modern day tank, what do you think how many rounds of ammo would it take? I guess you would sooner melt the barrel of your gun before doing any significant damage to the tank.

On the other hand, if a tank fires his main gun, with his 120mm APFSDSDU round, designed specifically to penetrate tank armor - not to kill infantry, and hits you in the chest (let's for amusement's sake say that you're even wearing a kevlar vest), what do you think would happen?

The 10% effectiveness of small arms against armored vehicles is made specifically to prevent people from melting tanks with SMGs and ARs. THAT would be completely unbalanced and wouldn't pass even the most basic reality checks.

Where the hell did the tank come from, we're talking about hand held weapons. !

Two shots with a forge gun takes a relatively long time to fire. I think this is a huge reason why many people won't take this seriously.

Yes, might as well kill the forge too. The HMG and now the forge guns, while we are at it we might as well cut the heavies shield and armor by half.

Yeah, get rid of all non AR weapons. Completely. That's what the OP wants right?

Hey OP, how about you look up occasionally?