If you have the best snipers, then they can suppress an enemy heavy on a roof. Otherwise they are not worth being called the best anything.

The only way you are getting killed in less than two seconds with 700 hp is if you get direct hit. Otherwise it takes at least two shots, which takes at least four seconds. How you have not gotten this yet is amazing.

You are right that the flaylock doesn't kill people in 4 seconds, it actually does it much faster.

Do you complain this much when you get killed by the mass driver? Because any tactic you use for dodging MD rounds would work just as well for evading a FG trying to peg you.

What this really boils down to is that you don't like the fact that someone can mess you up from beyond AR range. Whereas if your team had done their job, the guy with the FG never would have gotten up there in the first place.

Stop trying to make this something it isn't...this has nothing to do with suppression tactics..the forge gun is too good of an anti infantry weapon since the aiming fix.

Forge Gun Timeline:

Day 1: Forge gunners get raped in CQC and at range due to steep learning curve. Gunners realize that the weapon is only viable at range or against large targets. Assault yell "LOL GG scrubs!"

Day 10: Kinda getting the hang of this, and have tasted blood. concentrating on supporting the allies by removing LAvs, dropships and the occasional idiot tank. still die to infantry. "LOL GG Scrub! Get gun game!"

Day 60: Competence has been achieved and the gunner by now is using his choice of a breach for max power or an assault for rapid deployment of pain. Routinely kills enemy infantry at range, about once every 2-4 shots. Still humping nanohives and supply depots as our lifeline. The mocking cries of Get Good Scrub are oddly silent as we destroy the fifth vehicle of the match.

Day 90: Advanced tactics come full circle. Forge gunner realizes patience and position are the keys to killing everything. Attacking from defilade (Hiogh ground for you uneducated scrubs) permits more accurate attack on any target, and provides clear view of dropship and LAV approaches. Forge gunner finds a spot and proceeds to mop the floor with the ass of anyone who moves close eough to target, concentrating on killing before they get inside 50m, and swapping to grenades and SMG if they do. People realize the Forge Gunners have gotten good. They are no longer scrubs.

Day 91: the QQ and cries of being OP begin when people start mistaking skillshots, tactics and battlefield awareness for having an overpowered weapon that still gets chopped to chutney at close range.

Today: the whining and crying is reminiscent of an infant child in a crib trying desperately to tell mommy that he pooped himself and he hates feeling all squishy and stinky.

Get the hell over it. A forge gun is a slow firing weapon that rides on a slow-ass dropsuit that couldn't dodge a three year old with a pointy stick, with a low ammunition count and a dispersion rate that makes the assault scrambler look positively pinpoint-accurate. If you stand in the open, or stand still for the 2-6 seconds it takes to charge you deserve to get blapped.

I point to the argument everyone flings at heavies like monkey with poo when we say we have historically been outranged, out DPS'd and outgunned: Quit standing in the open and start using cover you idiot.

Kobrah, is the FG too good on the ground?

Is your AR unable to drop a heavy before he charges and fires?

Are heavies all dropping their HMG to use a forge?

What you are complaining about is tactics, but instead of countering the tactic you want to need the forge.

Less QQ, more swwwwwwwwwphwm boom.

and you'd be hard pressed to find an AR that can take down a heavy in less than 2 seconds from a distance.

Numbers don't lie, nobody else finds it a problem an AV weapon can do 720+ damage worth of SPLASH in a couple of seconds FROM ANY DISTANCE?

AND ITS AN AV WEAPON

AN
ANTI
VEHICLE
WEAPON

even if i concede the fact it's not meant for AV, it's still too good vs infantry right now.

so the average requirement of 3-4 shots to kill an infantryman makes it too good? this is if you don't instablap them in the first two shots. instablap is a skillshot.

I'm not taking about the hail mary **** where you hit three damaged guys clustered in a corner.

Go use the forge gun. Do not reload from a hive or a supply depot.

tell me how many kills you get for each load of ammunition. how often do you die?

does your KD go up or down?

lol 3 shots? two splash from a good forge gun will kill almost any suit.

not a properly fit advanced or proto assault or logi.

if you're talking about shitfits, cheapfits and freefits, you lose all credibility with me

lol 3 shots? two splash from a good forge gun will kill almost any suit.

If you're complaining about a breach forge gun you have lost all credibility with me. if you hold still or stay in the open long enough to get hit with two breach shots you have lost all right to call yourself anything but free warpoints.

two shots will hit for around 750 damage if you only get splash. most two-shot hits with an ishukone assault forge (which I use) involve a ranging shot for splash, and a direct hit for the killshot if you do it right. I'm stupidly good at this combo between 40 and 70 meters.

Caldari assault and logi have in excess of 800 HP when fit properly. still have 50 HP left after two splashes.

Gallente assault and logi have potentially much higher, but if they go that way, they get instablapped by direct hits because they farking SLOW.

You're a moron if you think any caldari assault worth half his weight is running around with 800 EHP and shows you know little about the game

Oh dear God if you believe that I want you in every single game on the opposing team so I can farm you for easy warpoints with everything from a MLT assault rifle to a boundless HMG to a Forge Gun to a cheap seat plasma cannon.

You are nothing more than free warpoints to all comers. I have no sympathy for you, nor will I lend your complaints any further credence.

And my assault scrambler. must not forget my assault scram.

that's cute, call me when you drop 30 kills in a PC match against a good corp and then we can discuss who's better at this game.

a. Why shouldn't AV weapons be able to kill infantry?
I just don't see why that would be the case. Swarms, yes, they need to lock and swarm, etc, but the forge gun is a big 'ol railgun, using the same tech as a sniper rifle- of course it damages infantry.
b.
Have you ever tried FG sniping? I'm not saying it's impossible or even extremely difficult, but it does take skill. You get no ADS and the fattest, ugliest reticule ever, which doesn't stay perfectly steady but continuously vibrates slightly. Hitting with a 2.5m splash radius from 200m with a reticle that covers probably a 10+ meter radius is tricky, so while they're technically very accurate, making use of that accuracy is tough.
3 second refire is hardly madness, and don't forget that it's limited to 16 shots without squad support (since no heavies can carry nanohives). A good forge can kill infantry, but it's not easy, and any sort of flank/rush or a missed CQC shot and the FG loses due to the slow refire rate. Plus, the FG lights up like a signal beacon for any snipers/tacs/other FGs, so sniping with it from high ground is a good way to die.

Your QQ holds no water.

I never stand still, I'm a 550 shield assault with an AR/SR, so i'm always bobbing and weaving, even when there's nobody near me.


@ the guy complaining about the mouse, you can get just as good results with a controller, depending on what you're better with.

You have 550 shields. You are well protected from a fully proto'd sniper build but there is still a ranged weapon that can OHK you. The Forge gun is not OP simply because you can be OHK.

You claimed that the forge gun can deal over 720 points of splash damage in less than two seconds, but the truth is that it's only half of that.

You, just dont know your weapons, the Basic level of damage is not far short of 600, with no mods. So yes in a time period of LESS than 2 seconds 720 would be obtainable in splash damage.

H.D

Assault proto mad about the fat slow heavy with the charge up weapon with no zoom?

Cool story bro.

Do you cry about snipers too?

If you don't like FG use from up high, either:

1) Snipe them.
2) Rail tank/installation them.
3) Storm the roof with a well fit DS.
4) OB them once you get the WP.