I made a thread like this a few months ago, it got 11 pages, and everyone thought I was trolling.

I'm not.

Forge guns are so hyper accurate they're arguably the best anti-infantry weapon when you have the high ground...huge splash damage and extremely fast re-fire speed, you have maybe 3 seconds to find cover once you take splash damage from a proto forge gun...that is, if you weren't outright one-shotted by the splash damage.

These are AV WEAPONS and SHOULD NOT be able to kill infantry.

They SHOULD NOT function better than sniper rifles as anti infantry.

Splash damage needs to be reduced to almost nothing, the fact you can take out ~400 shields with 1 splash of a good FG puts the flaylock pistol to shame

Please CCP, this forge gun madness has to stop.

here's the 11 page thread if anyone is interested.

20-0? I call absolute horsepucky on this number. I'm not saying this isn't possible, but I highly doubt this is an average round for a forge gunner, even a good one. I'm pretty good at forge sniping, and I go on average 6-10 kills for a Dom. If I went 20-0, it was because I got some tank kills where the crew didn't bail when they should have, or some murder taxi crew that didn't bail for the same reason, or some dumb sniper that keep spawning in the same spot that didn't think I could see him, or I got some extra OB kills, or I was able to hit assault guys that weren't bobbing and weaving like they should. In other words, I went 20-0 not because my forge gun is OP, but because your team played badly.

Numbers don't lie, nobody else finds it a problem an AV weapon can do 720+ damage worth of SPLASH in a couple of seconds FROM ANY DISTANCE?

AND ITS AN AV WEAPON

AN
ANTI
VEHICLE
WEAPON

i highly doubt a no name noob is going to give me any trouble in a pub match

your threats are unwarranted, childish, and to be quite honest not very intimidating.

if you were arguing realism with the forge gun, run the numbers on the description, it should instantly atomize anything it touches and keep going. in the name of BALANCE, the forge gun shouldn't be this effective of an anti-infantry weapon.

Exactly, good players dominate with this tactic, and they shouldn't. Less than 2 seconds to charge the assault variant at max skills with the splash it has is just unacceptable.

try going up against a competent forge gun in a PC match when he has team support, good luck finding a counter that isn't "get my forge gun there first" which just re-affirms the problem here.

LOL I CAN USE CAPS TOO!!!

WHO
SAID
THE FORGE
IS
AN
ANTI-VEHICLE
WEAPON ONLY????

The max range is 300 meters, not FROM ANY DISTANCE. stop making **** up to support your flawed logic.

720 in a couple of seconds? A couple is 2... pretty sure the charge up time for the assault variant is 2.5 seconds for 1 shot. Again, you are exaggerating a point to support your flawed logic.

Scroll back a few posts, I already posted the DUST 514 description of the Forge Gun. Nowhere in that description does it say "anti-vehicle only". developer descriptions dont lie. Numbers dont lie either, if you only knew how to be sporadic in your movement you wouldnt get hit with 3-4 straight splash hits. You need better situational awareness, communication and teamwork in your squad. Learn to counter the tactic.

Just because YOU think in YOUR little brain that this weapon is AV only does not make that a fact. This seems to be the only basis for your argument, that in YOUR OPINION an AV weapon should not be able to kill infantry. your opinion is wrong, many of us have said this already, yet you keep flailing your arms in a feeble attemp to get this weapon nerfed.

you are a troll, a tool, and nothing more.

Learn 2 play, scrub.

Go back in the thread and see my earlier posts for a list of options. Actually, since the backspace key might be too much for you to operate, here is a short list:

1. Sniper
2. Rail tank
3. DS full of Assault troops, approaching from the blind side, with a sniper to keep the fatty away from the approach.
4. OB the rooftop.

Would you say that Cubs is a competent forge gunner? Because I came back from a DC in a Zion vs TP match to see void echo pick him off a roof with a rail gun from the deployment.

So stop crying, because you just make yourself look bad.

You're not too bright, are you? Proto assault variant actually charges in LESS than two seconds, so yes, a couple of seconds LOL

For the third time, making it less effective against infantry by lowering the splash damage and/or radius would also make it less effective against certain vehicles. If anything needs to be reworked, it's the map designs that allow us to do this.

You claimed that the forge gun can deal over 720 points of splash damage in less than two seconds, but the truth is that it's only half of that.

You're not too bright, are you? Proto assault variant actually charges in LESS than two seconds, so yes, a couple of seconds LOL

it's pretty clear the forge gun is made for AV, just like the swarm launcher.

Forge gun is now destroying infantry worse than any other point i can remember, so it's time CCP takes a look at the splash damage/radius/accuracy. it's not a matter of opinion, it's just logical thinking, there needs to be some sort of adjustment made, and almost any non-forge gunner will tell you that.

how many tanks and dropships have you killed with the SPLASH DAMAGE of a forge gun? probably zero.

with team support, every dropship is called out and promptly shot out of the sky, OBs like to not work on rooftops, and snipers will have an extremely difficult time killing a heavy who's headglitching a forge gun off the tallest tower on the map.

Well, take into account time for the shot to land, and it takes around four seconds to get two hits with the Ishukone FG. So it is in fact more than a couple seconds, but that is a mild distinction.




I do not agree, and have seen no dev posts on the matter to confirm such a thing. You may think it is AV only, whereas most of us classify it as an AM weapon. Which is what it really is.



Forge gun has many counters, you just refuse to use them. That is your teams fault, not the people using the FG. Tell your team to focus on the fundamentals and you won't be getting forged so much.

I'm talking about LAVs, but splash damage does help against tanks. As a matter a fact, I killed a tank with splash damage yesterday.


I was also killed by an orbital on the tallest tower in the game yesterday.

"With Forge Gun Proficiency at level 5, you get a 15% bonus to damage. Throw on two complex heavy damage modifiers and you get another 20%, minus the stacking penalty. For the purposes of this post, I'll lower it to 15% (if someone could give me the actual number, it would be much appreciated). In total, that gives you a 30% damage bonus. Base splash damage for all proto forge guns is 277.2 (advanced and standard tiers have lower splash damage). 277.2 times 1.30 equals 360.36. 2 shots equal 720.72, 3 shots equal 1081.08 and four shots equal 1441.44."

Try reading the thread before you post.

It's only 4 seconds if you know he's there, and you'd be able to avoid it by hiding from him. otherwise he's waiting with a charged shot, and between the travel time, you getting hit, you realize you're getting hit, it's going to be much less than 2 seconds.

with team support, every dropship is called out and promptly shot out of the sky, OBs like to not work on rooftops, and snipers will have an extremely difficult time killing a heavy who's headglitching a forge gun off the tallest tower on the map.

the fact you actually had an active tank in a match vs TP is amazing enough, let alone the one and a thousand shot to hit someone across the entire map with a railgun. how many people did cubs forge to death before you got a lucky shot on him? 5? 10? 20?

You do know that you can't hold a charge with the assault forge gun, right? Also, during the match in which I was killed by the orbital, the enemy was keeping me suppressed with sniper rifles. I only got one kill that match.

I can vouch for Gem Cutter. He has unerring accuracy. Incidentally, he was one of the snipers keeping me suppressed during the match in which I got killed by an orbital.

i wasn't even aware i fought against you in a pc match. no idea cubs was on the roof, or anything about a tank. i focus on what i do, not worry about who i'm up against, and play my game.

synergy has the best sniper core in the game, there's no doubt about it. That isn't the issue. it has nothing to do with my team. it has nothing to do with the tactics to counter it.

there's tactics to counter the flaylock pistol, but i don't see anyone posting them, instead everyone is whining about them.

how can you sit here and tell me killing someone with 700 ehp in less than two seconds from hundreds of meters away is okay? not even the flaylock pistol can do that.

So you must think the sniper rifle is broken as well right? I mean I can kill guys with that much health from hundreds of meters away with a headshot
Hell the bullet even travels faster and I get to zoom in on my target making it even easier

I made a thread like this a few months ago, it got 11 pages, and everyone thought I was trolling.

I'm not.

Forge guns are so hyper accurate they're arguably the best anti-infantry weapon when you have the high ground...huge splash damage and extremely fast re-fire speed, you have maybe 3 seconds to find cover once you take splash damage from a proto forge gun...that is, if you weren't outright one-shotted by the splash damage.

These are AV WEAPONS and SHOULD NOT be able to kill infantry.

They SHOULD NOT function better than sniper rifles as anti infantry.

Splash damage needs to be reduced to almost nothing, the fact you can take out ~400 shields with 1 splash of a good FG puts the flaylock pistol to shame

Please CCP, this forge gun madness has to stop.

here's the 11 page thread if anyone is interested.