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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
235
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:59:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Jin Robot wrote:So a gun designed to damage vehicles should not be able to damage a dropsuit? Quit crying, probably just mad you lost a proto suit. i have over 200 million ISK and haven't worn an advanced suit since uprising hit. I really couldn't care less if I lose a protosuit, kiddo. the fact an AV weapon in the king of anti infantry is full ******.
It is only king of the hill if you let it get up high, and if you then let it stay up there.
Both of which are failures on the part of your team.
If you want to call the forge gun king of antiinfantry then it would regularly pop you on even ground while you dump AT then FLP the fatty.
If you want to call something that requires a dropship, logi, and a heavy OP instead of admitting you refuse to alter your playstyle to facts on the ground, why shouldn't we just laugh at you? |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
21
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:02:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Dr Stabwounds wrote:What are you doing that's getting you forge sniped enough to complain about it? I rarely get hit with a forge gun as infantry, are you standing still with an MD on a roof or something? Getting FG'd sucks, but it doesn't need to be nerfed at all. I never stand still, I'm a 550 shield assault with an AR/SR, so i'm always bobbing and weaving, even when there's nobody near me. @ the guy complaining about the mouse, you can get just as good results with a controller, depending on what you're better with.
You have 550 shields. You are well protected from a fully proto'd sniper build but there is still a ranged weapon that can OHK you. The Forge gun is not OP simply because you can be OHK. |
Gorra Snell
BetaMax. CRONOS.
32
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:03:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Gorra Snell wrote:If it was a problem, I think it would show up on these lists: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678As it is, it makes sense that something that can punch a tank and make him feel it would one-shot infantry. I've tried using it as anti-infantry in the past, and it's very difficult. If you can chew dropsuits up with it, good for you...you're some combination of very skilled and talented with it. In general, it's not a problem, though. The recent update has made them stupid accurate, i'm seeing more forge guns killing infantry than at any point in dust.
Fair enough, haven't tried them lately. Will do so tonight |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven
537
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:05:00 -
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I GOT KILLED BY A LASER RIFLE ONCE. NERF THE LASER RIFLE. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1435
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:06:00 -
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I'm sorry but my alts a hvy noob with a forgegun and In PC matchs I can destroy very very skilled players with just splash damage. Its a joke.
In pub matchs who cares you just dont go into the fields of fire but in games that people really want to win you dont get that option.
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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
588
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:09:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dr Stabwounds wrote:What are you doing that's getting you forge sniped enough to complain about it? I rarely get hit with a forge gun as infantry, are you standing still with an MD on a roof or something? Getting FG'd sucks, but it doesn't need to be nerfed at all. I never stand still, I'm a 550 shield assault with an AR/SR, so i'm always bobbing and weaving, even when there's nobody near me. @ the guy complaining about the mouse, you can get just as good results with a controller, depending on what you're better with. You have 550 shields. You are well protected from a fully proto'd sniper build but there is still a ranged weapon that can OHK you. The Forge gun is not OP simply because you can be OHK. forge gun splash kills me in two hits, and so does a sniper rifle
the only difference being you actually have to aim with a sniper which takes some degree of skill
oh yeah, and the sniper rifle isn't an AV weapon. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
588
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:10:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Jin Robot wrote:So a gun designed to damage vehicles should not be able to damage a dropsuit? Quit crying, probably just mad you lost a proto suit. i have over 200 million ISK and haven't worn an advanced suit since uprising hit. I really couldn't care less if I lose a protosuit, kiddo. the fact an AV weapon in the king of anti infantry is full ******. It is only king of the hill if you let it get up high, and if you then let it stay up there. Both of which are failures on the part of your team. If you want to call the forge gun king of antiinfantry then it would regularly pop you on even ground while you dump AT then FLP the fatty. If you want to call something that requires a dropship, logi, and a heavy OP instead of admitting you refuse to alter your playstyle to facts on the ground, why shouldn't we just laugh at you? you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
235
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:11:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:I'm sorry but my alts a hvy noob with a forgegun and In PC matchs I can destroy very very skilled players with just splash damage. Its a joke.
In pub matchs who cares you just dont go into the fields of fire but in games that people really want to win you dont get that option.
If you let the enemy control the high ground you lose.
If you don't have a plan to counter an AV team up high you will lose.
If a proto suit will let you three splash them, they deserve to die. |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:16:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Eno Raef wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dr Stabwounds wrote:What are you doing that's getting you forge sniped enough to complain about it? I rarely get hit with a forge gun as infantry, are you standing still with an MD on a roof or something? Getting FG'd sucks, but it doesn't need to be nerfed at all. I never stand still, I'm a 550 shield assault with an AR/SR, so i'm always bobbing and weaving, even when there's nobody near me. @ the guy complaining about the mouse, you can get just as good results with a controller, depending on what you're better with. You have 550 shields. You are well protected from a fully proto'd sniper build but there is still a ranged weapon that can OHK you. The Forge gun is not OP simply because you can be OHK. forge gun splash kills me in two hits, and so does a sniper rifle the only difference being you actually have to aim with a sniper which takes some degree of skill oh yeah, and the sniper rifle isn't an AV weapon.
Two shots with a forge gun takes a relatively long time to fire. I think this is a huge reason why many people won't take this seriously. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
592
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:19:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Eno Raef wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dr Stabwounds wrote:What are you doing that's getting you forge sniped enough to complain about it? I rarely get hit with a forge gun as infantry, are you standing still with an MD on a roof or something? Getting FG'd sucks, but it doesn't need to be nerfed at all. I never stand still, I'm a 550 shield assault with an AR/SR, so i'm always bobbing and weaving, even when there's nobody near me. @ the guy complaining about the mouse, you can get just as good results with a controller, depending on what you're better with. You have 550 shields. You are well protected from a fully proto'd sniper build but there is still a ranged weapon that can OHK you. The Forge gun is not OP simply because you can be OHK. forge gun splash kills me in two hits, and so does a sniper rifle the only difference being you actually have to aim with a sniper which takes some degree of skill oh yeah, and the sniper rifle isn't an AV weapon. Two hits with a forge gun takes a relatively long time to fire. I think this is a huge reason why many people won't take this seriously. proto forge with max forge gun skills takes less than 3 seconds to charge up, what are you talking about? You get hit once and have less than 3 seconds to determine where it came from AND move into cover AND hope the splash still doesn't hit you?
yeah that's perfectly reasonable coming from an AV weapon right |
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The Attorney General
ZionTCD
235
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:22:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote: you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons.
Not at all.
Is the FG a good anti infantry weapon on the ground? Hell no, unless you suck or they are exceptional.
So what you are complaining about is someone minimizing the drawbacks of their weapons system. That is tactics. Just because you as an assault troop have no reply means the the FG isn't an idiot.
Don't be mad that you got outsmarted just think some more. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
592
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:23:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote: you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons.
Not at all. Is the FG a good anti infantry weapon on the ground? Hell no, unless you suck or they are exceptional. So what you are complaining about is someone minimizing the drawbacks of their weapons system. That is tactics. Just because you as an assault troop have no reply means the the FG isn't an idiot. Don't be mad that you got outsmarted just think some more. actually even with slight elevation a forge gun can ruin your day
it's obviously not a CQC weapon......it's an AV weapon, made for long range..they're using the weapon as it's intended to be used, except against infantry and not vehicles.
how about you keep the forge gun how it is, and let me hit heavies with AV nades, and we'll call it a day? |
MassiveNine
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:27:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote: you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons.
Not at all. Is the FG a good anti infantry weapon on the ground? Hell no, unless you suck or they are exceptional. So what you are complaining about is someone minimizing the drawbacks of their weapons system. That is tactics. Just because you as an assault troop have no reply means the the FG isn't an idiot. Don't be mad that you got outsmarted just think some more. actually even with slight elevation a forge gun can ruin your day it's obviously not a CQC weapon......it's an AV weapon, made for long range..they're using the weapon as it's intended to be used, except against infantry and not vehicles. how about you keep the forge gun how it is, and let me hit heavies with AV nades, and we'll call it a day?
you are such a crybaby.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
35
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:28:00 -
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God damn you guys are some cry hard pansies. So i fly my dropship to highground, drop a hive and link, go fight die and come back with forge to overwatch my team, enemies down below do nothing to counter me, i go 20/1 and somehow i am the noob?
Learn to adapt scrubs. Snipe, dropship, cover, rail tank, counter forge. I thought you guys were supposed to be elite or something?
Btw, i thoroughly enjoyed blasting your guys ADS out of the air yesterday.
PC? Blah blah blah there is a counter to everything just use your brain or hire someone who has one already developed. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
237
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:36:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote: you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons.
Not at all. Is the FG a good anti infantry weapon on the ground? Hell no, unless you suck or they are exceptional. So what you are complaining about is someone minimizing the drawbacks of their weapons system. That is tactics. Just because you as an assault troop have no reply means the the FG isn't an idiot. Don't be mad that you got outsmarted just think some more. actually even with slight elevation a forge gun can ruin your day it's obviously not a CQC weapon......it's an AV weapon, made for long range..they're using the weapon as it's intended to be used, except against infantry and not vehicles. how about you keep the forge gun how it is, and let me hit heavies with AV nades, and we'll call it a day?
So, even though it wouldn't change what you are crying about, you would be ok qith current situation as long as you had a seeking OHK nade for the slowest suit?
I wouldn't care if you have better gungame than everyone, you are now a scrub. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
594
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:42:00 -
[46] - Quote
The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote: you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons.
Not at all. Is the FG a good anti infantry weapon on the ground? Hell no, unless you suck or they are exceptional. So what you are complaining about is someone minimizing the drawbacks of their weapons system. That is tactics. Just because you as an assault troop have no reply means the the FG isn't an idiot. Don't be mad that you got outsmarted just think some more. actually even with slight elevation a forge gun can ruin your day it's obviously not a CQC weapon......it's an AV weapon, made for long range..they're using the weapon as it's intended to be used, except against infantry and not vehicles. how about you keep the forge gun how it is, and let me hit heavies with AV nades, and we'll call it a day? So, even though it wouldn't change what you are crying about, you would be ok qith current situation as long as you had a seeking OHK nade for the slowest suit? I wouldn't care if you have better gungame than everyone, you are now a scrub. No, that post was supposed to show the stupidity of an AV weapon being able to kill infantry effectively.
My fault for expecting it NOT to go over your head. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
237
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:51:00 -
[47] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote: you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons.
Not at all. Is the FG a good anti infantry weapon on the ground? Hell no, unless you suck or they are exceptional. So what you are complaining about is someone minimizing the drawbacks of their weapons system. That is tactics. Just because you as an assault troop have no reply means the the FG isn't an idiot. Don't be mad that you got outsmarted just think some more. actually even with slight elevation a forge gun can ruin your day it's obviously not a CQC weapon......it's an AV weapon, made for long range..they're using the weapon as it's intended to be used, except against infantry and not vehicles. how about you keep the forge gun how it is, and let me hit heavies with AV nades, and we'll call it a day? So, even though it wouldn't change what you are crying about, you would be ok qith current situation as long as you had a seeking OHK nade for the slowest suit? I wouldn't care if you have better gungame than everyone, you are now a scrub. No, that post was supposed to show the stupidity of an AV weapon being able to kill infantry effectively. My fault for expecting it NOT to go over your head.
Keep crying while you throw thukker nades and show your sweet bunny hopping ar skills.
I swear the AR guys wont be happy until there is nothing but themselves to fight. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
36
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:52:00 -
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Who said the forge gun is AV only? Or is that just your presumption based on what you feel the role of the weapon should be? Here is a description so u can educate yourself
Adapted from Deep Core Mining Inc.GÇÖs proprietary technology, the DCMA S-1 subverts conventional expectations of what a man-portable anti-material weapons platform is capable of.-áDespite its excessive weight and extended recharge times, the GÇ£Forge GunGÇ¥ as it has become known, is regarded as the most devastating infantry weapon on the battlefield, and an invaluable tool for those capable of wielding it. Powered by a GeminiGäó microcapacitor, the Forge Gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s, enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems.-áDuring the pre-fire charge, the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic field and helping to shield the user from backscatter and the excessive heat produced.-áPower generation remains the single largest drawback of the current design, the onboard capacitor requiring a significant amount of time to reach full power after each discharge.
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Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
511
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:57:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote: you can make the same argument with the flaylock pistol not needing to be adjusted
LOL JUST CHANGE UR PLAYSTYLE ITS UR FAULT is a stupid mentality when there's clearly something wrong with forge guns being one of the best anti infantry weapons.
Not at all. Is the FG a good anti infantry weapon on the ground? Hell no, unless you suck or they are exceptional. So what you are complaining about is someone minimizing the drawbacks of their weapons system. That is tactics. Just because you as an assault troop have no reply means the the FG isn't an idiot. Don't be mad that you got outsmarted just think some more. actually even with slight elevation a forge gun can ruin your day it's obviously not a CQC weapon......it's an AV weapon, made for long range..they're using the weapon as it's intended to be used, except against infantry and not vehicles. how about you keep the forge gun how it is, and let me hit heavies with AV nades, and we'll call it a day?
Maybe not a CQC weapon for some, but trust me it can be fkn DEADLY in CQC. On a few occasions I have held objective points for the team with a FG standing flat on the ground waiting. You have to use one with a holding charge for best results. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
513
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:00:00 -
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Lol, we are not all whiners looking for everything to be nerfed. I am a assault rifle user at heart, but I use many other weaposn available to us also. The only weapon I don't care for currently is the flaylock, but I'm not running around going nerf nerf nerf, or posting hate threads on it. |
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:00:00 -
[51] - Quote
The forge gun is an anti-material heavy weapon, not an anti-vehicle weapon.
Last time I checked, vehicles and dropsuits alike are made out of material. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:01:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote: Keep crying while you throw thukker nades and show your sweet bunny hopping ar skills.
I swear the AR guys wont be happy until there is nothing but themselves to fight.
I don't use contact nades, the regular ones are much better because they take skill to use
it's not a matter of variety, it's a matter of an AV weapon being OP against infantry |
Shadowswipe
WarRavens League of Infamy
147
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:03:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:I made a thread like this a few months ago, it got 11 pages, and everyone thought I was trolling. I'm not. Forge guns are so hyper accurate they're arguably the best anti-infantry weapon when you have the high ground...huge splash damage and extremely fast re-fire speed, you have maybe 3 seconds to find cover once you take splash damage from a proto forge gun...that is, if you weren't outright one-shotted by the splash damage. These are AV WEAPONS and SHOULD NOT be able to kill infantry. They SHOULD NOT function better than sniper rifles as anti infantry. Splash damage needs to be reduced to almost nothing, the fact you can take out ~400 shields with 1 splash of a good FG puts the flaylock pistol to shame Please CCP, this forge gun madness has to stop. here's the 11 page thread if anyone is interested. I've said a fun change would be to do reduced dmg to infantry but knock them back as the shockwave of the energy wave hits them before the blast. But the reason it does more dmg to tanks is because the shockwave doesn't move the tank away from the true dmging blase. A direct hit would still likely want to one shot infantry, but OHKs in general would be less and knocking people back is always fun. |
Cy Clone1
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:05:00 -
[54] - Quote
be thankful you have stuff to hide behind. in the air you are fecal matter out of luck |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
247
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:05:00 -
[55] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote: Keep crying while you throw thukker nades and show your sweet bunny hopping ar skills.
I swear the AR guys wont be happy until there is nothing but themselves to fight.
I don't use contact nades, the regular ones are much better because they take skill to use it's not a matter of variety, it's a matter of an AV weapon being OP against infantry
It is only op if you refuse to counter it. Which means it isnt op.
Stop crying. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
Shadowswipe wrote:King Kobrah wrote:I made a thread like this a few months ago, it got 11 pages, and everyone thought I was trolling. I'm not. Forge guns are so hyper accurate they're arguably the best anti-infantry weapon when you have the high ground...huge splash damage and extremely fast re-fire speed, you have maybe 3 seconds to find cover once you take splash damage from a proto forge gun...that is, if you weren't outright one-shotted by the splash damage. These are AV WEAPONS and SHOULD NOT be able to kill infantry. They SHOULD NOT function better than sniper rifles as anti infantry. Splash damage needs to be reduced to almost nothing, the fact you can take out ~400 shields with 1 splash of a good FG puts the flaylock pistol to shame Please CCP, this forge gun madness has to stop. here's the 11 page thread if anyone is interested. I've said a fun change would be to do reduced dmg to infantry but knock them back as the shockwave of the energy wave hits them before the blast. But the reason it does more dmg to tanks is because the shockwave doesn't move the tank away from the true dmging blase. A direct hit would still likely want to one shot infantry, but OHKs in general would be less and knocking people back is always fun. This is actually an excellent idea, reduce splash damage, add knockback effect
+1 |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:07:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote: Keep crying while you throw thukker nades and show your sweet bunny hopping ar skills.
I swear the AR guys wont be happy until there is nothing but themselves to fight.
I don't use contact nades, the regular ones are much better because they take skill to use it's not a matter of variety, it's a matter of an AV weapon being OP against infantry It is only op if you refuse to counter it. Which means it isnt op. Stop crying. Sure, let me counter a forge gun on the roof
hold on let me just fly my duct tape drop ship up there an--
oh he shot me down before i even got off the ground
okay i'll just climb up there and--
oh he's on a roof with no ladder
okay, i'll just snipe him--
oh, there's no good angle to get a shot on him since he's on the tallest structure in the game, surrounded by cover
yeah, my fault for not countering them as an assault player, CLEARLY no adjustment is needed for an AV weapon destroying infantry. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
513
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:08:00 -
[58] - Quote
King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote:King Kobrah wrote:The Attorney General wrote: Keep crying while you throw thukker nades and show your sweet bunny hopping ar skills.
I swear the AR guys wont be happy until there is nothing but themselves to fight.
I don't use contact nades, the regular ones are much better because they take skill to use it's not a matter of variety, it's a matter of an AV weapon being OP against infantry It is only op if you refuse to counter it. Which means it isnt op. Stop crying. Sure, let me counter a forge gun on the roof hold on let me just fly my duct tape drop ship up there an-- oh he shot me down before i even got off the ground okay i'll just climb up there and-- oh he's on a roof with no ladder okay, i'll just snipe him-- oh, there's no good angle to get a shot on him since he's on the tallest structure in the game, surrounded by cover yeah, my fault for not countering them as an assault player, CLEARLY no adjustment is needed for an AV weapon destroying infantry.
If there is no angle to shoot him.. how is he shooting you? |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
169
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:09:00 -
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Zion (Mr. Gunfire, props to you) wrecked us in PC for a few days with this tactic. We raged a bit, then we started calling in a DS first thing and meeting them on top of the tower (I was part of that DS duo.) Hilarity ensued as we massdrived and flaylocked it out on top of the building for about half the match (over and over again.)
Eventually, we countered the tactic, and had their districts by the end of the week.
Tactics... |
Canaan Knute
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
26
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Posted - 2013.07.09 21:10:00 -
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Do you realize that nerfing the splash damage again will make forge guns even less effective against vehicles? Well, maybe not HAVs or dropships, depending on the situation, but landing a direct hit on a fast-moving LAV hundreds of meters away is difficult enough as it is. |
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