DUST Search - Global respec with Chromosome 1.2?

Deluxe Edition wrote:

Tony Calif wrote:

@Babar
Yes, this argument is about speccing things which could get nerfed. Everyone spec'd Caldari Logi. Because it was obviously Op. Now people dont want to be "not the best".

False... if you think the extra HP from the recial logi bonus (that obsorbs a whopping 2 AR bullets) makes it op then you havn't really looked at all the stats. Sure the calidari logi is more flexible allowing you to play support and go on the front lines when needed, however the assault is much better for the job. They have superior sprint and strafe speed (which is a much larger form of HP than shield/armor buffer), a much larger stamina pool and have sidearms to help finish off opponents. While the caldari logi may have more high slots it also has lower base hp (which affects the usefulness of the skills that improve base armor and shields).

Assault suits are still superior killers when compared to their logibro's however the trade off is logi's have greater flexability in changing up their role in the battlefield. The only tweak between the two suits I belive is needed is giving assaults their 2nd equipment slot back.


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Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1565	Posted - 2013.06.14 07:55:00 - [1] - Quote There are 2 sides to skill respecing : 1) One could say that not being able to respec makes players be more carefull and cautious when skilling up. And this is very true. It forces you to take into account your team's need, your personal gain, choose between versatility of your character or extreme effectiveness in one field. Also, it avoids people all using the "flavor of the month" weapon or suit. This phenomenon is very obvious since the first batch of respec (damn, so many more LLav and CalLogis). Finally, you wouldnt want to see people respecing every 2 days to fill out a brand new role in PC. Knowing what your enemies are using is a key to strategy. So, i dont believe in an all-out respec when you want system. 2) Being able to respec has some value as well. Especially for new players that may want to respec a part of their skills after getting a better grasp at the game or after joining a corporation in order to better fill the role needed there. For older players, it's also the opportunity to re-new their experience by going for a brand new role without the exhausting grind. Though one could argue that this is how the game is intended to be played. In my opinion, allowing for a respec every time something new is added to the game isnt the way to go. At least on the long run. I could agree with allowing a respec when missing racial heavy suits, light suits or vehicle are added though because it's no fair to those players considering middle frame suits had the opportunity to do so.Twice. But those respec should be limited to those dedicated skills only. Other than that, when a new specialty\weapon\vehicule is added, i dont think an automatic respec is a good idea. The more they play, the more players can afford to keep some SP ready for a brand new gear to be released. Bottom line, i'd believe in an hybrid system. A few auto-respec until the game has everything it should have for basic choices (aka, basic racial suits and vehicles). Characters start with two optionnal respec. And get one every year of play time after that. Like it's done in EVE for attributes. KingBabar wrote: So, what I gather from all this debate is that the general consensus from most FPS players as opposed to the ones bringing their EVE holy mantra of "HTFU" and "adapt or die" is: As long as the game is still in Beta, a respec is neccissary until most core content and major balancing issues are dealt with so that people can make informed choices and by extension take responsibility and live with the consequenses of those. - Can we agree oon that? Have we actually accomplished anything here? Can one of the CPM relay this "general consensus" from the non-EVE crowd of this forum to CCP? Except, we aint in beta anymore Odd i know.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1565	Posted - 2013.06.14 08:14:00 - [2] - Quote Well... ok crap. is actually writing his answer
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1565	Posted - 2013.06.14 09:19:00 - [3] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I think there should be a complete respec when all racial variants of dropsuits (with placeholder graphics?) AND new dropsuits (pilot, commando, including racial variants?) are implemented. When that is done, the full scope for infantry dropsuits feel like it is complete, compared to the current situation where your choice is limited (hence it might not be the real choice you want to take: I-¦m thinking about the heavies here, but also assaults who might want to spec into the commando suit). Regarding specialties, i dont share the feeling. Because there may be more specialty in the future than pilote commando, scout, assault etc... In fact, there will be that's for sure. Advancing the core conference hinted a "grenadier" using multiple grenade slots for example. You can't just respec with every new addition. I know i will start having 1 / 1.5 Million SP unallocated the all time after i reach 15 Million SP ^^.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1565	Posted - 2013.06.14 09:25:00 - [4] - Quote GVGISDEAD wrote: I hope we could respec the staff of CCP Shangai ROFL ! killed me
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1577	Posted - 2013.06.15 11:16:00 - [5] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Tony Calif wrote: @Babar Yes, this argument is about speccing things which could get nerfed. Everyone spec'd Caldari Logi. Because it was obviously Op. Now people dont want to be "not the best". False... if you think the extra HP from the recial logi bonus (that obsorbs a whopping 2 AR bullets) makes it op then you havn't really looked at all the stats. Sure the calidari logi is more flexible allowing you to play support and go on the front lines when needed, however the assault is much better for the job. They have superior sprint and strafe speed (which is a much larger form of HP than shield/armor buffer), a much larger stamina pool and have sidearms to help finish off opponents. While the caldari logi may have more high slots it also has lower base hp (which affects the usefulness of the skills that improve base armor and shields). Assault suits are still superior killers when compared to their logibro's however the trade off is logi's have greater flexability in changing up their role in the battlefield. The only tweak between the two suits I belive is needed is giving assaults their 2nd equipment slot back. You re forgetting many things regarding the cal logi : how fast his shield regen starts (1.8 and 2.6 when depleted) with a complex reg. The fact its got 9 module slots makes the speed argument invalid as you can raise sprint easily. Znd even straf speed is not that low if you do it properly. Still higher than amarr or gallente assault anyway. This suit is OP like hell and it will only get worse with ferroscale plates. And in that specific case of balancing something op and over used i would be firmly against offering a respec. That will avoid people diving into every flavor of the month and not set a precedent on which every player coukd rely to ask a respec every time there s a change. Respec must remain a rare event.