I haven't been in PC yet, obviously, but the whole thing seems kindof stupid atm.
One 16 player team can hold a planet because of all the restrictions
Honestly, nobody needs more money, ever since the our assets were liquidated
Eve corps apparently don't give a damn

I thought dust was supposed to be about eve players hiring us to help them- PC just keeps dust isolated.

So it's been about 3 weeks of PC and most of the groups involved are bored/giving up on it. I know the lads at CCP tried hard to make its fun and meaningful but its not. It's a job not a game. If you would remember back to the beginning of open beta and the daily cap it's the same here. Those involved in PC are basically punching a clock for CCP on a daily basis.

I'm sorry CCP but PC is just a bad design. On top of that there are a lot of errors happening that is screwing over one side or the other and CCP does nothing to correct them. Just silence. When players plan to fight and then win/lose and districts are bugged we just have to live with it. I don't think CCP actually treats dust/PC as a real release. To them it just beta that they make money off of.

While CCP Foxfour and Nullarbor have gone above and beyond the call to make things right its not enough. The game beyond PC is terrible from a FPS standpoint and the balance/RPG aspects of the game are as bad as could be.

Finally CCP Shanghai hasn't listened to real feedback for the last 14 months what makes you think they will now? When I read reviews of dust it could easily be mistaken for things said in the forums over and over again.

We as a community could probably make a list of everything that is bad / wrong with PC (and dust) but that's not going to do us any good because CCP in general still has the Incarna mentality for dust. It's all about what they want it to be regardless of how bad it really is.

It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter (mainly because I will call them names) because this is what dust is suppose to be about. So the vast majority of PC corps/players are burning themselves out on it. In all honesty I don't blame anyone who thinks PC isn't worth the effort. In reality those that do quit are the honest ones telling CCP it's just not good enough. Respect.

So that said what can players do to enjoy PC as it is now? I will start with suggestions and please add on your own. I will add them back to the OP to help keep track.

- Take the planet Oddelulf and make it "Planet Fight Club" (Apparently Cronos didn't want that planet anyways). It has 24 districts and we can give the districts out for free to corps that want to be involved in it. Change the structure to production for clone replenishment and just fight for fun there.

I like PC...it's more fun than pubs :(

and when do do win this is how your rewarded

DUST PC WTF VS. ILL OMENS
Filed at 08.06.2013 19:20 by mrunknown2u2

My corp had two matches against what the french today. Both at 1820 one on oddeulf district 6 and one on altbrad district 13. In both games the enemy did not show up. we won these games by mcc destruction. at the end of the game the wtf are still online 300 +80 they lost nothing and we lost 160mil for the attacks. i think this glictch happened because they were at the exact same time idk. but i would like this to count as a lost on their side look into it asap please remove their clones.... edit in another battle with them right now where they no showed i will let you know if they lose clones.

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Posted at 08.06.2013 19:27 by mrunknown2u2
ok just finished the third battle that they no showed and the clones were taken. i think the bug happened because there were two battles at once please please fix we are relaunching the attacks tomorrow the districts should be ours

Although I am not involved in PC myself I am sure Kane and Jenza would be interested in reading this.

This happened to imps today when we attacked SI on oddelulf district 20. SI No showed we won by MCC destruction and the lost no clones and still online. CCP will say nothing, take 2 weeks to fix it, and not do right by the mercs that ccp screwed over.

Bascially ccp introduced a new bug into the system because they don't think they need a test server.

#DustInBeta2.0

This is the test server u missed the memo bro

And of course the opposite happened to us. We won a defense fight, didn't receive reinforcements, and were stuck with about 40 clones on the next fight.

And of course the opposite happened to us. We won a defense fight, didn't receive reinforcements, and were stuck with about 40 clones on the next fight.

PC is just starting up... of cource the first days are going to seem like a penalty rather than a opportunity

While what you say is true you can't deny progress is being made. With Dust CCP is aiming for the more casual player, timers don't really work for the casual, something else is needed. Instead of being pacifist I have full trust in that CCP will make the adjusments needed to make PC less work-like.

While what you say is true you can't deny progress is being made. With Dust CCP is aiming for the more casual player, timers don't really work for the casual, something else is needed. Instead of being pacifist I have full trust in that CCP will make the adjusments needed to make PC less work-like.

Hardcore players are being catered to the most actually, its called the skill points levelling system

A casual player will need to invest in boosters if he realistically wants to be competitive if he plays dust as a weekend warrior

#DUSTISTRASH
#FREEXPROTOMAN23

CCP needs to release some patch notes before they further screw up this game with incarna 1.2

Well if the add big jiggly boobie babe skins to every dropsuit on PC matches.... cant get any more fun than that.

...And yes warlord they can have bacon bikinis, and shoot tequila shots.

It feels like a job

This is the worst aspect of PC. From talking with other alliance leaders and other folks players are running themselves ragged. Sure folks may have made the mistake of taking on too many districts, but it's getting to the point where enemies aren't even showing up to fight.

The land rush was probably the worst aspect of the whole thing. In hindsight CCP should have just in stealth mode changed it to where Corps could only land 1 or 2 districts, so we wouldn't have ended up with all of the alt corp BS that was an initial concern or massive land grabs by single entities. There are now people that would like to be in PC, but don't feel like sinking 160 to 240 million plus just to secure one spot that will get crushed by the bigger groups.

Right now the only way to be involved in PC is if you want to fight to own land, which is unsustainable. Faction Warfare isn't robust enough or different enough from pub matches to capture the attention for long of serious corps that want to duke it out with other player corporations. Faction Warfare needs to focus on organized player groups making pushes for the empire of their choosing, and there also needs to be ways for smaller groups to attack districts in PC for ISK or resources and NOT for ownership. There is also no progression to taking a district it's just the same fight repeated 2 to 3 times.

If your corp or organization gets pushed out of PC land ownership there really isn't anywhere to go. I watched organizations get removed from PC and then have their numbers drop by the thousands. You then end up with these experienced, high power players flooding into Instant Battle and kicking the crap out of newer players, which makes the new guys want to leave the game. A vicious cycle has been created that does nothing but drive people from the game. If you are successful you get burned out and if you aren't successful you just get pushed out of the game. There has to be more to Dust than two game modes. There has to be more progression than there is now. Honestly, there just has to be more.

The problems are deeper than that though. I don't think CCP has turned a deaf ear (CCP Nullarbor and CCP FoxFour among others have been champs making the changes they can to improve the system). Right now there are so many significant issues with the core gameplay that the larger picture like planetary conquest and faction warfare can't get the attention they need.

This is the worst aspect of PC. From talking with other alliance leaders and other folks players are running themselves ragged. Sure folks may have made the mistake of taking on too many districts, but it's getting to the point where enemies aren't even showing up to fight.

The land rush was probably the worst aspect of the whole thing. In hindsight CCP should have just in stealth mode changed it to where Corps could only land 1 or 2 districts, so we wouldn't have ended up with all of the alt corp BS that was an initial concern or massive land grabs by single entities. There are now people that would like to be in PC, but don't feel like sinking 160 to 240 million plus just to secure one spot that will get crushed by the bigger groups.

Right now the only way to be involved in PC is if you want to fight to own land, which is unsustainable. Faction Warfare isn't robust enough or different enough from pub matches to capture the attention for long of serious corps that want to duke it out with other player corporations. Faction Warfare needs to focus on organized player groups making pushes for the empire of their choosing, and there also needs to be ways for smaller groups to attack districts in PC for ISK or resources and NOT for ownership. There is also no progression to taking a district it's just the same fight repeated 2 to 3 times.

If your corp or organization gets pushed out of PC land ownership there really isn't anywhere to go. I watched organizations get removed from PC and then have their numbers drop by the thousands. You then end up with these experienced, high power players flooding into Instant Battle and kicking the crap out of newer players, which makes the new guys want to leave the game. A vicious cycle has been created that does nothing but drive people from the game. If you are successful you get burned out and if you aren't successful you just get pushed out of the game. There has to be more to Dust than two game modes. There has to be more progression than there is now. Honestly, there just has to be more.

The problems are deeper than that though. I don't think CCP has turned a deaf ear (CCP Nullarbor and CCP FoxFour among others have been champs making the changes they can to improve the system). Right now there are so many significant issues with the core gameplay that the larger picture like planetary conquest and faction warfare can't get the attention they need.

I have a question to anyone who can answer this- HRs from corps in PC.

Are the PC rewards useful at all?

I have a question to anyone who can answer this- HRs from corps in PC.

Are the PC rewards useful at all?

PC is fully built around favoring the victor. If you win, you get the clones and more importantly, you get a morale boost whereas the loser gets burnt out.

The clone production is not bad ISK if you are left alone: 8-12M per district per day. This favors the victorious corporations further, as not many dare attack them.

PC mechanics favor the victor of individual 16vs16 fights way too much. It's in essence a glorified clan ladder; numbers do not matter, strategy does not matter, metagame matters a little, it's just all about who wins fights.

You can't blame CCP for players being burned out. If you want to own the entire Molden Heath......or, practically speaking, if you want to hold 15 districts, then you will be having a lot of battles. That isn't CCP's fault...that is corps wishing to hold a lot of territory.

If corps wish...they can sell some of the districts and maybe corps that aren't in PC may be able to hop in and get some action.

PC will continue to be completely pointless until they open it up to everyone. Honestly this is what normal skirmish mode should be, and mercenaries-for-hire should be able to jump into these battles on whichever side is hiring. This is what they made Dust 514 out to be in those extremely misleading game trailers from a few years ago.

Also, none of the above can even be done with the pathetic 16 vs 16 battles. What a joke. MAG is a 3/4 year old game and allows 256 people on the battlefield with very little lag and looks much better graphically than Dust. What is CCP's excuse? Does the interconnectivity with EVE really sap that much resources?

PC will continue to be completely pointless until they open it up to everyone. Honestly this is what normal skirmish mode should be, and mercenaries-for-hire should be able to jump into these battles on whichever side is hiring. This is what they made Dust 514 out to be in those extremely misleading game trailers from a few years ago.

Also, none of the above can even be done with the pathetic 16 vs 16 battles. What a joke. MAG is a 3/4 year old game and allows 256 people on the battlefield with very little lag and looks much better graphically than Dust. What is CCP's excuse? Does the interconnectivity with EVE really sap that much resources?

It's hard to sustain a RISK type game system like this without a player base.

I mean... 6k daily if even that?

I thought for sure it would be around 20k or so when it launched, sadly mistaken.

We are having the same issues as in closed beta, fighting the same exact people over and over again.

PC is just another fail-block in the fail-pyramid that is DUST right now.


I understand a ton of people put work into this game and I feel bad for them.

Having some digital douche like me critisizing their job is not right in some respects.

But I play games for entertainment and I call them as I see them.

People who keep saying PC is only for the top elite 1% or whatever bullshit number they made up are full of it. Yeah I'm looking at you Trolls, though you're hardly the only one QQ'ing about it. A top of the line best of the best 100 man corp should realistically only expect to defend 3-6 districts in the long term, unless people are just plain too scared to attack them. They can take most any district because they're the best of the best, but offense and defense are and will always be completely different animals.

Now there are clearly serious issues with PC in general and things that need to be addressed. But the people complaining about burnout inflicted it on themselves by putting their corps at the mercy of up to 40 timers a day. Because they were greedy and dumb and didn't bother to think about what would happen when they were having to defend 20 districts. Every. Single. Day.

You want more corps in PC? Quit trying to hold more land than you can realistically defend.

Payouts need to be adjusted, or what will likely happen is top corps will just roam around the map, kicking lower corps off land and selling off the districts (or extorting them). Payouts are so low and attack costs are so high (and consequently, selling prices) that trying to be involved in PC will be a significant net loss for anyone not able to attack and sell off land in a very efficient manner. So eventually corps quit buying and the whole thing stagnates into Farmville with attacks only being instigated by sheer boredom with the system.

right this is beta you cant even player to player item swap for gods sake

It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter

PC will continue to be completely pointless until they open it up to everyone. Honestly this is what normal skirmish mode should be, and mercenaries-for-hire should be able to jump into these battles on whichever side is hiring. This is what they made Dust 514 out to be in those extremely misleading game trailers from a few years ago.

Also, none of the above can even be done with the pathetic 16 vs 16 battles. What a joke. MAG is a 3/4 year old game and allows 256 people on the battlefield with very little lag and looks much better graphically than Dust. What is CCP's excuse? Does the interconnectivity with EVE really sap that much resources?

Not to mention the fact that CCP changed the graphics which welcomed the lag we are currently getting.

We were not receiving the lag and frame rate issues in Chromosome that we are now. It's as if this is intentional. I don't recall anyone complaining about Chromosome's graphics

The graphics in chromosome were just not that good. They improved some things in uprising but if its effected game play then I am speechless

I wouldn't mind the graphic change if we didn't have to pay so much for it

You can't blame CCP for players being burned out. If you want to own the entire Molden Heath......or, practically speaking, if you want to hold 15 districts, then you will be having a lot of battles. That isn't CCP's fault...that is corps wishing to hold a lot of territory.

If corps wish...they can sell some of the districts and maybe corps that aren't in PC may be able to hop in and get some action.

Another point I would like to make is that PC isn't profitable for corps at all, it takes 18 days to recoup the isk spent. One suggestion is to increase the payout on districts so corp can recoup the starter pack money, however I don't think that is how CCP intended for PC to be fought. Starter packs where to get into PC and to expand you have to move clones. However the attrition rates on moving clones is simply too great especially considering how many districts are 2-3 jumps from the closest inhabitable system, and the low clone count leaves research facilities way to vulnerable to attack especially since transferring clones locks the district preventing the addition of new clones from a cargo hold in the same system.

CCP needs to minimize starter pack use (eg: by taking them away from corps who own districts, or by making the cost of them rise with every new district you take) and find ways to encourage attacking by moving clones.

I think this goes back to the issue of "making dust a good fps game" and its failures. If I have to lag/frame rate stutter around a PC match I don't really give a **** how pretty the grass it.

There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL

+1

If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though.

Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club

shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.

you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help.

Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club

That's just stupid

Make it a racetrack

If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though.

No one said it couldn't be. Just trying to come up with something player run to offset how bad PC is

No one said it couldn't be. Just trying to come up with something player run to offset how bad PC is

If this actually goes down, I fking love you guys

As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.

It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun

Bojo and dust uni are welcome on the planet. I know we are going to put impswarm on it and there are other newer corps that we are looking to bring in.

if you have suggestions of corps please let me know

Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine.

Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine.

If someone really thinks its a good idea to mess with NF/Eon/LOI lead Fight Club you would have people fighting over ringer spots to defend your district

I'm pretty sure if you want us to be the godfather corp we can enforce any issues that might arise. "You know what I'm talkin about"

I liked VEXation Gunn's response to this more- having one corp managing all this stuff just leads to a big power play.
I just don't trust anyone, so having 3 or 4 big corps keeping each other in check while managing the smaller ones seems like the best solution.

Only 1 thing left: think of a parody name for CONCORD

Well we named our anti cronos coalition "Nerds who love boobs". Sadly I don't think ccp will write that into lore. So you can refer us as LOINFEON

That said we are setting this us to fight each other not be farmers. So the coalition for all intents and purpose is over when it comes to attacking Cronos. All that's left is trying to make PC fun for people and get good fights.

So, what corps are making up LOINFEON?

Looking at the star map, we need the support of (aside from the imperfects)
Seraphim Initiative
The southern legion
What the french
Ill omens
grupo de asalto chacal

and that's still just 41% of PC

I demand a planet for vehicle pilots to roam free in their militia fits to cool down without getting facerolled by prototype infantry!

LOI / Eon / NF


I doubt we want to bring in the former cronos since EU lag is terribad and they can't deal with it while apparently. IO is part on eon and is a corp already on list to get a spot.

What corps are those, exactly? I sortof figured that little bit out.

So what will it be?

Just the planet with 24(?) districts, that was owned by Cronos? Or will it be a much larger chunk of Molden Heath?

but I like my PC is a failure thread in GD front page.

I'd love to sell land and especially to people who aren't currently in PC. Take a look at Hrober when you get a chance. Good thing CCP deleted my Spero Escrow Services thread.

http://dustsearch.com/thread/83727

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83727GÇÄ

Hardcore players are being catered to the most actually, its called the skill points levelling system

A casual player will need to invest in boosters if he realistically wants to be competitive if he plays dust as a weekend warrior

shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.

you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help.

Actually, I do think this is the way to go. Have the option exists for either the Eve side or Dust side to "own" the districts. If the Eve side owns the districts then let Eve players use their ISK to pay for the clone packs, change surface structure, and move clones from place to place. Then allow the eve players to hire whoever they want to use their clones for their attacks and defense of the districts. In this scenario the Dusters get paid in biomass and loot and the Eve player gets paid in the passive ISK from clones and the passive bonuses from the districts.

Why would they do that when PI is better profit with lower effort and risk?

I almost gave up on Dust, but the "Fight/Race Playground" sounds like a good way to enjoy a bad game....



And i'm sad that CCP don't say nothing about the whole situation, but when you go to sites like Destructoid, you saw an interview with some VP-Whatever executive proud of the new modes they will introduce and how they are "confident" with their Five Years Life Plan.

I almost gave up on Dust, but the "Fight/Race Playground" sounds like a good way to enjoy a bad game....



And i'm sad that CCP don't say nothing about the whole situation, but when you go to sites like Destructoid, you saw an interview with some VP-Whatever executive proud of the new modes they will introduce and how they are "confident" with their Five Years Life Plan.

PC worked out just fine. For the ringers/mercs 4 hire. (thanks) No commitment there. EVE is a second job to most. Why wouldn't anyone want a second job in DUST514?

Awesome thinking there eh?

Their 5 year plan is complete BS. The only reason why people currently play this game is because we are at the end of a console generation. There isn't anything to play this is the principle reason as to why most people even bothered to give DUST a chance. This game was nowhere near ready to be released, and won't be able to compete with AAA titles that are launching in the fall.

Why would they do that when PI is better profit with lower effort and risk?

The right economic incentives would have to be put in place and they just aren't there. I know there are tons of groups eve-side that would love to get involved in orbital strikes and dust stuff, but there isn't really enough incentive there to do so. Plus, forcing Dusters an Eve pilots to join the same corp or alliance to reap rewards is just proving a painful obstacle.

Honestly, they do need a standings system in Dust, they need ways for eve pilots to manipulate clones and districts, and they need to get the Dust and Eve economies linked in a more tangible way.

Yep, to get eve pilots involved right now it's only from a "something new" excitement for them to do it at all. Perhaps in the beginning it was to help their alliance or whatever, but it takes longer to get the strike down and many times its a dud because of this.

As bad as the game can be there are a lot of players that did a hell of a lot more than just "give DUST a chance."

Why have so many people dedicated so much time and effort playing what is at best just an ok shooter? Why are you still here playing this game?

More importantly, why do I still play this game? I still play, every week. Why, when I have a shelf full of triple A single player titles I haven't bothered to finish? And quite a few triple A multiplayer titles that I could be playing as well.

Is there something in the skill boosters?

Anyway, 5 year plan is not BS. It really does exist.

Players can play more than one game at a time. Does Dust have to compete with every other game out there? No. People have been making the argument that it does since at least this time last year and so far Dust, as crappy as it is, kind of just keeps chugging along.There were already new games that have been released in the last year that were supposed to have wiped DUST off the map. Never happened. I can't explain why people play Dust 514. But they do.

Also, thanks for reminding me that this is the end of the console generation and there isn't anything to play. Need to pre-order The Last of Us. Maybe get Borderlands 2 and maybe Bioshock Infinite, Farcry 3, Metro: Last Light, by the way, how is the multiplayer for Crysis 3?

Crap, what am I thinking? I still haven't even finished Dishonored. Heck, haven't even finished Mass Effect 3GǪ

It's time for bold moves when it comes to the big picture of the game. On the small scale of the core mechanics, though it needs to be all about iteration. Changes have to communicated in detail. There is no test server for Dust, so communicating the upcoming changes and balance issues is even more important.

+1

This is not New Eden, at least not yet. I'm running around random matches all over the galaxy fighting for random corps against random players. PC was an idea best left for a Beta, but I accept this game will always be a Beta. Focus on making the freedom of Eve in Dust by implementing PvE, Corp standings, LP, open market, and break all these walls between EVE and DUST.

They should have built and put all the tech in place before releasing Dust to the public, for one. PC has so much potential, BUT it's wasted on the lack of tech and EvE integration. Also, let's call it out as truth, many EvE players DO NOT want Mercs pissing in their cereal and all signs show that CCP is protecting EvE from any damages that Dust could do in integration. We have no economy, we have no FW, we have no impact, and we have no purpose. What we do have is a Alpha Release of Battlefield 3 set in space.

I see tons of potential, but until CCP gets off their duffs and just let the gates open and let the chips fall where they fall, Dst will continue to be the bastard child of CCP. We aren't an extension of New Eden, we are a spinoff of EvE.

+1 to both of these posts. I think CCP seriously needs to sort out the core issues, the bugs, glitches and ridiculous errors that the game has before they can move forward. Adding anything else into a game this flawed would be a huge mistake.

I'd love to see PvE and all those things and to feel like we (Dust players) are part of New Eden but I think before that happens the game needs to operate properly. I mean need to be seriously lucky to even revive people at the moment and that's just annoying.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Dust and I would love to see more features and more ways for players and Corps to interact with the New Eden universe. I just want the game to function properly first and I think it's kind of alarming that the Devs haven't given any indication as to when the bugs and glitches will be fixed. I mean it can't be that big of issue to fix the nanite injector can it?

The truth is, we don't know what PC is really like.

There is structure and strategy built into the rules, but the Genpack is bypassing the intended design and preventing us from having a much more interesting game experience.

Without the Genpack local politics would be more important. Without the Genpack corps would stand a better chance of establishing and holding a home base.

Without the Genpack diplomatic efforts with corps and alliances distant from your own space would become more important, since pressure on war targets would have to be applied locally.

We need a different mechanism for allowing corps to get into PC.

And this is a reminder of an old lesson our Devs need to keep in mind: You cannot balance with ISK. Ever. The deterrent to Genpack use was supposed to be cost. That 80 million ISK deterrent was not effective. Once we're coupled to EVE, things will be worse.

started a topic on this in feedback/requests

remove clone packs for corps with districts

there are othere idea out there and would be intrested in everyones views

TL: but I read it.

All of the above but more than anything, it is only 16 V 16. LOL what a joke!

Give us large scale battles where having separate skills, equipment, and divisions of mixed matched players and wining or losing the battles actually means something.

16 V 16 is just pathetic and an insult to us the players and customers.

128 V 128 battles make it happen CCP we know its possible.
Make it happen CCP or sink with this raft that you have built to try and cross an ocean.

The biggest boon to letting people play the role of mercenaries would be to let one corporation be authorized to use another corporation's clones for a fight or even a campaign.

Yeah the walls need to come down, but at the same time the core gameplay has to be addressed. On the CPM I feel like we've been sand bagged by so many basic core issues that we can't even begin to focus on the big picture.

More like players complaining about core issues that don't exist (or aren't as bad as they pretend) so several months of potential progress have been lost to a rebalancing that could have been done in a few minor patches.

We need Skirmish 1.0 with mini objectives im tired of being dropped into a box just to spin circles.. Dust has a semi impressive ammount of gear and from the sounds of it more to come... Give us a reasons to use it...

If your getting burned out, blame your corp structure, not the game.

I didn't think I would ever burnout. Now, when I wake up I am almost dreading to walk near my PS3..lol...

If your getting burned out, blame your corp structure, not the game.

It terrifies me that CCP hasnt really said anything regarding this yet.

They are on vacation and honestly why would they even care. They have a 5 year plan and meta game for us to play.

5 years from now, Ill probably have a nice Titan on Venus... on Destiny :P

If your getting burned out, blame your corp structure, not the game.

I'd be fine with removing clone packs for corps who own districts, but you need a way to by a 300 clone gen pack and I think move forward with the idea of pressing attacks (have multiple fights on the same day for the same district).

I am not sure about the pressing the attack mechanic but im open to it with restrictions maybe limit it to 1 extra attack and only if the attackers still have over 150 clones this would also then encourage attacking with more than minimum loose numbers. with this in place 300 clone starter pack would have there places too,

I would really appreciate your thought in this topic on the feedback/requests section as there would be economic ramification that i know little about because clone profits would no longer be used for clone packs it would be for equipping your mercs so would probably have to be lowered

merc work isnt ever going to be merc work unless Eve hires us. And I can't see any integration with Eve coming along in the near or mid future. Not with the issues they already face.

...
Mercs want to be apart of something epic and they want winning and losing of battles and wars to be apart of the bigger picture and its not.

There is no great battles or wars to be a part of just who you fight today. Worse even no one in eve cares we have no effect on them and that's the way they want it to be

I am not sure about the pressing the attack mechanic but im open to it with restrictions maybe limit it to 1 extra attack and only if the attackers still have over 150 clones this would also then encourage attacking with more than minimum loose numbers. with this in place 300 clone starter pack would have there places too.

From your own corp member.

2) This contract system should be tested before we're connected to EVE so we can test the basic dynamicss of it before wildly distorting forces fron EVE get applied to us po' liddle mercs.

The lack of the Eve connection and tie to the bigger picture is part of what's causing planetary conquest to grow stale so fast. There could be thousands of Eve pilots fighting and dying over these planets in Molden Heath if the right incentives were created and less rigid OB mechanics were implemented.

Create the economic incentive and the Eve pilots will come. Imagine if some or all of that passive clone ISK was going to Eve instead of Dust. That would be a potential 240 million to 300 million ISK per month per district reason to fight for control of the temperate planets in Molden Heath.

We could have a race with the LAVs :P

The tanks and enemy ground infantry are the environmental hazards.

My feeling is the only thing we need here a robust contract system for merc ops. This should be incorporated asap for two reasons:

1) Attack/defense/territory-maintenance contracts will affect the entire dynamics of PC, so including it sooner gets us to a system that works and plays well.

2) This contract system should be tested before we're connected to EVE so we can test the basic dynamicss of it before wildly distorting forces fron EVE get applied to us po' liddle mercs.