DUST Search - PC is a Failure: Can players make it fun some how?

VEXation Gunn wrote:

mrunknown2u2 wrote:

VEXation Gunn wrote:

So it's been about 3 weeks of PC and most of the groups involved are bored/giving up on it. I know the lads at CCP tried hard to make its fun and meaningful but its not. It's a job not a game. If you would remember back to the beginning of open beta and the daily cap it's the same here. Those involved in PC are basically punching a clock for CCP on a daily basis.

I'm sorry CCP but PC is just a bad design. On top of that there are a lot of errors happening that is screwing over one side or the other and CCP does nothing to correct them. Just silence. When players plan to fight and then win/lose and districts are bugged we just have to live with it. I don't think CCP actually treats dust/PC as a real release. To them it just beta that they make money off of.

While CCP Foxfour and Nullarbor have gone above and beyond the call to make things right its not enough. The game beyond PC is terrible from a FPS standpoint and the balance/RPG aspects of the game are as bad as could be.

Finally CCP Shanghai hasn't listened to real feedback for the last 14 months what makes you think they will now? When I read reviews of dust it could easily be mistaken for things said in the forums over and over again.

We as a community could probably make a list of everything that is bad / wrong with PC (and dust) but that's not going to do us any good because CCP in general still has the Incarna mentality for dust. It's all about what they want it to be regardless of how bad it really is.

It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter (mainly because I will call them names) because this is what dust is suppose to be about. So the vast majority of PC corps/players are burning themselves out on it. In all honesty I don't blame anyone who thinks PC isn't worth the effort. In reality those that do quit are the honest ones telling CCP it's just not good enough. Respect.

So that said what can players do to enjoy PC as it is now? I will start with suggestions and please add on your own. I will add them back to the OP to help keep track.

- Take the planet Oddelulf and make it "Planet Fight Club" (Apparently Cronos didn't want that planet anyways). It has 24 districts and we can give the districts out for free to corps that want to be involved in it. Change the structure to production for clone replenishment and just fight for fun there.

and when do do win this is how your rewarded

DUST PC WTF VS. ILL OMENS
Filed at 08.06.2013 19:20 by mrunknown2u2

My corp had two matches against what the french today. Both at 1820 one on oddeulf district 6 and one on altbrad district 13. In both games the enemy did not show up. we won these games by mcc destruction. at the end of the game the wtf are still online 300 +80 they lost nothing and we lost 160mil for the attacks. i think this glictch happened because they were at the exact same time idk. but i would like this to count as a lost on their side look into it asap please remove their clones.... edit in another battle with them right now where they no showed i will let you know if they lose clones.

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Posted at 08.06.2013 19:27 by mrunknown2u2
ok just finished the third battle that they no showed and the clones were taken. i think the bug happened because there were two battles at once please please fix we are relaunching the attacks tomorrow the districts should be ours

This happened to imps today when we attacked SI on oddelulf district 20. SI No showed we won by MCC destruction and the lost no clones and still online. CCP will say nothing, take 2 weeks to fix it, and not do right by the mercs that ccp screwed over.

Bascially ccp introduced a new bug into the system because they don't think they need a test server.

#DustInBeta2.0

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VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 59	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:43:00 - [1] - Quote So it's been about 3 weeks of PC and most of the groups involved are bored/giving up on it. I know the lads at CCP tried hard to make its fun and meaningful but its not. It's a job not a game. If you would remember back to the beginning of open beta and the daily cap it's the same here. Those involved in PC are basically punching a clock for CCP on a daily basis. I'm sorry CCP but PC is just a bad design. On top of that there are a lot of errors happening that is screwing over one side or the other and CCP does nothing to correct them. Just silence. When players plan to fight and then win/lose and districts are bugged we just have to live with it. I don't think CCP actually treats dust/PC as a real release. To them it just beta that they make money off of. While CCP Foxfour and Nullarbor have gone above and beyond the call to make things right its not enough. The game beyond PC is terrible from a FPS standpoint and the balance/RPG aspects of the game are as bad as could be. Finally CCP Shanghai hasn't listened to real feedback for the last 14 months what makes you think they will now? When I read reviews of dust it could easily be mistaken for things said in the forums over and over again. We as a community could probably make a list of everything that is bad / wrong with PC (and dust) but that's not going to do us any good because CCP in general still has the Incarna mentality for dust. It's all about what they want it to be regardless of how bad it really is. It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter (mainly because I will call them names) because this is what dust is suppose to be about. So the vast majority of PC corps/players are burning themselves out on it. In all honesty I don't blame anyone who thinks PC isn't worth the effort. In reality those that do quit are the honest ones telling CCP it's just not good enough. Respect. So that said what can players do to enjoy PC as it is now? I will start with suggestions and please add on your own. I will add them back to the OP to help keep track. - Take the planet Oddelulf and make it "Planet Fight Club" (Apparently Cronos didn't want that planet anyways). It has 24 districts and we can give the districts out for free to corps that want to be involved in it. Change the structure to production for clone replenishment and just fight for fun there.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1464	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:16:00 - [2] - Quote I haven't been in PC yet, obviously, but the whole thing seems kindof stupid atm. One 16 player team can hold a planet because of all the restrictions Honestly, nobody needs more money, ever since the our assets were liquidated Eve corps apparently don't give a damn I thought dust was supposed to be about eve players hiring us to help them- PC just keeps dust isolated.
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 68	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:23:00 - [3] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I haven't been in PC yet, obviously, but the whole thing seems kindof stupid atm. One 16 player team can hold a planet because of all the restrictions Honestly, nobody needs more money, ever since the our assets were liquidated Eve corps apparently don't give a damn I thought dust was supposed to be about eve players hiring us to help them- PC just keeps dust isolated. I always thought this was the plan or at least what we were told for years. I think what happened is ccp went what they assumed was the simple/best route to develop dust as its own. I know many dust players asked/pushed for owning districts too (that can't be overlooked). I think we can all admit in hindsight its not really want we wanted. We want to be valuable in new eden, have impact, and be able to make a difference.
Deadeye Dic IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 119	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:33:00 - [4] - Quote They should have built and put all the tech in place before releasing Dust to the public, for one. PC has so much potential, BUT it's wasted on the lack of tech and EvE integration. Also, let's call it out as truth, many EvE players DO NOT want Mercs pissing in their cereal and all signs show that CCP is protecting EvE from any damages that Dust could do in integration. We have no economy, we have no FW, we have no impact, and we have no purpose. What we do have is a Alpha Release of Battlefield 3 set in space. I see tons of potential, but until CCP gets off their duffs and just let the gates open and let the chips fall where they fall, Dst will continue to be the bastard child of CCP. We aren't an extension of New Eden, we are a spinoff of EvE.
Sev Alcatraz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 268	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:36:00 - [5] - Quote you speak the truth, PC is literally burning out players, I have personally advanced in another direction (because I don't give up or retreat i just go the other way) because the lag is horrendous and it feels like a job
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 168	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:37:00 - [6] - Quote Well if the add big jiggly boobie babe skins to every dropsuit on PC matches.... cant get any more fun than that.
mrunknown2u2 Ill Omens EoN. 62	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:49:00 - [7] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: So it's been about 3 weeks of PC and most of the groups involved are bored/giving up on it. I know the lads at CCP tried hard to make its fun and meaningful but its not. It's a job not a game. If you would remember back to the beginning of open beta and the daily cap it's the same here. Those involved in PC are basically punching a clock for CCP on a daily basis. I'm sorry CCP but PC is just a bad design. On top of that there are a lot of errors happening that is screwing over one side or the other and CCP does nothing to correct them. Just silence. When players plan to fight and then win/lose and districts are bugged we just have to live with it. I don't think CCP actually treats dust/PC as a real release. To them it just beta that they make money off of. While CCP Foxfour and Nullarbor have gone above and beyond the call to make things right its not enough. The game beyond PC is terrible from a FPS standpoint and the balance/RPG aspects of the game are as bad as could be. Finally CCP Shanghai hasn't listened to real feedback for the last 14 months what makes you think they will now? When I read reviews of dust it could easily be mistaken for things said in the forums over and over again. We as a community could probably make a list of everything that is bad / wrong with PC (and dust) but that's not going to do us any good because CCP in general still has the Incarna mentality for dust. It's all about what they want it to be regardless of how bad it really is. It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter (mainly because I will call them names) because this is what dust is suppose to be about. So the vast majority of PC corps/players are burning themselves out on it. In all honesty I don't blame anyone who thinks PC isn't worth the effort. In reality those that do quit are the honest ones telling CCP it's just not good enough. Respect. So that said what can players do to enjoy PC as it is now? I will start with suggestions and please add on your own. I will add them back to the OP to help keep track. - Take the planet Oddelulf and make it "Planet Fight Club" (Apparently Cronos didn't want that planet anyways). It has 24 districts and we can give the districts out for free to corps that want to be involved in it. Change the structure to production for clone replenishment and just fight for fun there. and when do do win this is how your rewarded DUST PC WTF VS. ILL OMENS Filed at 08.06.2013 19:20 by mrunknown2u2 My corp had two matches against what the french today. Both at 1820 one on oddeulf district 6 and one on altbrad district 13. In both games the enemy did not show up. we won these games by mcc destruction. at the end of the game the wtf are still online 300 +80 they lost nothing and we lost 160mil for the attacks. i think this glictch happened because they were at the exact same time idk. but i would like this to count as a lost on their side look into it asap please remove their clones.... edit in another battle with them right now where they no showed i will let you know if they lose clones. MESSAGES Posted at 08.06.2013 19:27 by mrunknown2u2 ok just finished the third battle that they no showed and the clones were taken. i think the bug happened because there were two battles at once please please fix we are relaunching the attacks tomorrow the districts should be ours
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4987	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:50:00 - [8] - Quote Although I am not involved in PC myself I am sure Kane and Jenza would be interested in reading this.
DJINN Marauder Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 768	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:51:00 - [9] - Quote I like PC...it's funner than pubs :( Edit: half the time at least
mrunknown2u2 Ill Omens EoN. 62	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:52:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: I like PC...it's more fun than pubs :(

A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 127	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:56:00 - [11] - Quote Make PC the new corp battle
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 243	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:00:00 - [12] - Quote We could have a race with the LAVs :P The tanks and enemy ground infantry are the environmental hazards.
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 72	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:06:00 - [13] - Quote mrunknown2u2 wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: So it's been about 3 weeks of PC and most of the groups involved are bored/giving up on it. I know the lads at CCP tried hard to make its fun and meaningful but its not. It's a job not a game. If you would remember back to the beginning of open beta and the daily cap it's the same here. Those involved in PC are basically punching a clock for CCP on a daily basis. I'm sorry CCP but PC is just a bad design. On top of that there are a lot of errors happening that is screwing over one side or the other and CCP does nothing to correct them. Just silence. When players plan to fight and then win/lose and districts are bugged we just have to live with it. I don't think CCP actually treats dust/PC as a real release. To them it just beta that they make money off of. While CCP Foxfour and Nullarbor have gone above and beyond the call to make things right its not enough. The game beyond PC is terrible from a FPS standpoint and the balance/RPG aspects of the game are as bad as could be. Finally CCP Shanghai hasn't listened to real feedback for the last 14 months what makes you think they will now? When I read reviews of dust it could easily be mistaken for things said in the forums over and over again. We as a community could probably make a list of everything that is bad / wrong with PC (and dust) but that's not going to do us any good because CCP in general still has the Incarna mentality for dust. It's all about what they want it to be regardless of how bad it really is. It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter (mainly because I will call them names) because this is what dust is suppose to be about. So the vast majority of PC corps/players are burning themselves out on it. In all honesty I don't blame anyone who thinks PC isn't worth the effort. In reality those that do quit are the honest ones telling CCP it's just not good enough. Respect. So that said what can players do to enjoy PC as it is now? I will start with suggestions and please add on your own. I will add them back to the OP to help keep track. - Take the planet Oddelulf and make it "Planet Fight Club" (Apparently Cronos didn't want that planet anyways). It has 24 districts and we can give the districts out for free to corps that want to be involved in it. Change the structure to production for clone replenishment and just fight for fun there. and when do do win this is how your rewarded DUST PC WTF VS. ILL OMENS Filed at 08.06.2013 19:20 by mrunknown2u2 My corp had two matches against what the french today. Both at 1820 one on oddeulf district 6 and one on altbrad district 13. In both games the enemy did not show up. we won these games by mcc destruction. at the end of the game the wtf are still online 300 +80 they lost nothing and we lost 160mil for the attacks. i think this glictch happened because they were at the exact same time idk. but i would like this to count as a lost on their side look into it asap please remove their clones.... edit in another battle with them right now where they no showed i will let you know if they lose clones. MESSAGES Posted at 08.06.2013 19:27 by mrunknown2u2 ok just finished the third battle that they no showed and the clones were taken. i think the bug happened because there were two battles at once please please fix we are relaunching the attacks tomorrow the districts should be ours This happened to imps today when we attacked SI on oddelulf district 20. SI No showed we won by MCC destruction and the lost no clones and still online. CCP will say nothing, take 2 weeks to fix it, and not do right by the mercs that ccp screwed over. Bascially ccp introduced a new bug into the system because they don't think they need a test server. #DustInBeta2.0
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 72	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:08:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Although I am not involved in PC myself I am sure Kane and Jenza would be interested in reading this. I can tell you kain is "sick and ******* tired" of so many bugs. Beyond that I wont speak on his behalf.
mrunknown2u2 Ill Omens EoN. 62	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:10:00 - [15] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: mrunknown2u2 wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: So it's been about 3 weeks of PC and most of the groups involved are bored/giving up on it. I know the lads at CCP tried hard to make its fun and meaningful but its not. It's a job not a game. If you would remember back to the beginning of open beta and the daily cap it's the same here. Those involved in PC are basically punching a clock for CCP on a daily basis. I'm sorry CCP but PC is just a bad design. On top of that there are a lot of errors happening that is screwing over one side or the other and CCP does nothing to correct them. Just silence. When players plan to fight and then win/lose and districts are bugged we just have to live with it. I don't think CCP actually treats dust/PC as a real release. To them it just beta that they make money off of. While CCP Foxfour and Nullarbor have gone above and beyond the call to make things right its not enough. The game beyond PC is terrible from a FPS standpoint and the balance/RPG aspects of the game are as bad as could be. Finally CCP Shanghai hasn't listened to real feedback for the last 14 months what makes you think they will now? When I read reviews of dust it could easily be mistaken for things said in the forums over and over again. We as a community could probably make a list of everything that is bad / wrong with PC (and dust) but that's not going to do us any good because CCP in general still has the Incarna mentality for dust. It's all about what they want it to be regardless of how bad it really is. It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter (mainly because I will call them names) because this is what dust is suppose to be about. So the vast majority of PC corps/players are burning themselves out on it. In all honesty I don't blame anyone who thinks PC isn't worth the effort. In reality those that do quit are the honest ones telling CCP it's just not good enough. Respect. So that said what can players do to enjoy PC as it is now? I will start with suggestions and please add on your own. I will add them back to the OP to help keep track. - Take the planet Oddelulf and make it "Planet Fight Club" (Apparently Cronos didn't want that planet anyways). It has 24 districts and we can give the districts out for free to corps that want to be involved in it. Change the structure to production for clone replenishment and just fight for fun there. and when do do win this is how your rewarded DUST PC WTF VS. ILL OMENS Filed at 08.06.2013 19:20 by mrunknown2u2 My corp had two matches against what the french today. Both at 1820 one on oddeulf district 6 and one on altbrad district 13. In both games the enemy did not show up. we won these games by mcc destruction. at the end of the game the wtf are still online 300 +80 they lost nothing and we lost 160mil for the attacks. i think this glictch happened because they were at the exact same time idk. but i would like this to count as a lost on their side look into it asap please remove their clones.... edit in another battle with them right now where they no showed i will let you know if they lose clones. MESSAGES Posted at 08.06.2013 19:27 by mrunknown2u2 ok just finished the third battle that they no showed and the clones were taken. i think the bug happened because there were two battles at once please please fix we are relaunching the attacks tomorrow the districts should be ours This happened to imps today when we attacked SI on oddelulf district 20. SI No showed we won by MCC destruction and the lost no clones and still online. CCP will say nothing, take 2 weeks to fix it, and not do right by the mercs that ccp screwed over. Bascially ccp introduced a new bug into the system because they don't think they need a test server. #DustInBeta2.0 This is the test server u missed the memo bro
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 76	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:24:00 - [16] - Quote mrunknown2u2 wrote: This is the test server u missed the memo bro sigh
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 157	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:30:00 - [17] - Quote And of course the opposite happened to us. We won a defense fight, didn't receive reinforcements, and were stuck with about 40 clones on the next fight.
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 77	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:32:00 - [18] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: And of course the opposite happened to us. We won a defense fight, didn't receive reinforcements, and were stuck with about 40 clones on the next fight. So if you win you lose and if you lose you win? However, its random so you don't actually know if you are suppose to win or lose a match to actually win or lose it. #ReallyCCP
DJINN Marauder Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 768	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:34:00 - [19] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: And of course the opposite happened to us. We won a defense fight, didn't receive reinforcements, and were stuck with about 40 clones on the next fight. Same here. A district of our hasn't produced any clones since we took it about 2 weeks ago. We only have 50 clones left on it because we keep gettn attacked lol. It's the pink fluffy cursed!
Sponglyboy Squaredoo Not Guilty EoN. 112	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:35:00 - [20] - Quote PC is just starting up... of cource the first days are going to seem like a penalty rather than a opportunity

VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 80	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:38:00 - [21] - Quote Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote: PC is just starting up... of cource the first days are going to seem like a penalty rather than a opportunity I know the imps have enjoyed people "having" to fight us for a bit. We win a lot so its fun for us can't deny that. The key issue is winning means nothing. You get more more districts that's it. We don't want farm514 we want to fight.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 328	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:55:00 - [22] - Quote PC will be worth it when it is more than just a glorified Instant Battle.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 111	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:58:00 - [23] - Quote +1 OP IMO it needs a radical redesign, that and FW both.
Wombat in combat Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 35	Posted - 2013.06.08 21:35:00 - [24] - Quote While what you say is true you can't deny progress is being made. With Dust CCP is aiming for the more casual player, timers don't really work for the casual, something else is needed. Instead of being pacifist I have full trust in that CCP will make the adjusments needed to make PC less work-like.
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 86	Posted - 2013.06.08 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote Wombat in combat wrote: While what you say is true you can't deny progress is being made. With Dust CCP is aiming for the more casual player, timers don't really work for the casual, something else is needed. Instead of being pacifist I have full trust in that CCP will make the adjusments needed to make PC less work-like. Dust is a product of CCP culture and philosophy that is a the core of whats wrong. There are individuals that work hard and do the best job then can on dust. They however can not carry CCP to greatness. In the end this is Incarna mentality "CCP Knows best so shut you will learn to like it" Truth of the matter is developing a fps with rpg/mmo mechanics that has to live in the Eve universe is a tough task. That however is not an excuse to do a **** poor job of it.
Cpt Merdock Ninth Legion Freelance 19	Posted - 2013.06.08 21:50:00 - [26] - Quote Wombat in combat wrote: While what you say is true you can't deny progress is being made. With Dust CCP is aiming for the more casual player, timers don't really work for the casual, something else is needed. Instead of being pacifist I have full trust in that CCP will make the adjusments needed to make PC less work-like. No offence to any casual gamer out there...but Eve was never the casual gamers game. I once watched a video where a CCP rep. (Dont know which one) stated that Dust will be for Hardcore gamers, and casual players alike. Unfortunately, they are catering to the casual's more. No ccp...just no. Look your hardcore player base needs some love too, we are the ones that are going to play this game even when others come out. We are the ones that make the game worth playing for the casual's. We are the ones that even though we hit our caps, and dont need anymore ISK, we keep playing cause god dammit this is our game. Now just cause some call of duty guy comes in here and is all like "hard work icky" and throws a fit doesnt mean you have to make it easy for him. Please...listen to these people calling out to you to fix this game..its in entirely broke, but it needs repairs. I love this game, I go to bed at night thinking about what time I could wake up so I can get some matches in before I have to do anything else. ( This may sound sad but Im just being honest here). Your hardcore players will be the ones to throw cash at you for AUR..maybe you should at least listen to what we have to say. P.S I quoted you Wombat to agree with you and for a reason as to why I just ranted lol.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 111	Posted - 2013.06.08 22:09:00 - [27] - Quote Hardcore players are being catered to the most actually, its called the skill points levelling system A casual player will need to invest in boosters if he realistically wants to be competitive if he plays dust as a weekend warrior
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 94	Posted - 2013.06.08 22:23:00 - [28] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Hardcore players are being catered to the most actually, its called the skill points levelling system A casual player will need to invest in boosters if he realistically wants to be competitive if he plays dust as a weekend warrior PC is geared toward the hardcore it is very evident now. It's the hardcore players that are bored/burnt though.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 277	Posted - 2013.06.08 22:26:00 - [29] - Quote #DUSTISTRASH #FREEXPROTOMAN23 CCP needs to release some patch notes before they further screw up this game with incarna 1.2
VEXation Gunn Imperfects Negative-Feedback 94	Posted - 2013.06.08 22:28:00 - [30] - Quote xjumpman23 wrote: #DUSTISTRASH #FREEXPROTOMAN23 CCP needs to release some patch notes before they further screw up this game with incarna 1.2 I would like to go on record in saying my OP is 100% rant against ccp and dust.



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