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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1464	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:16:00 - [1] - Quote I haven't been in PC yet, obviously, but the whole thing seems kindof stupid atm. One 16 player team can hold a planet because of all the restrictions Honestly, nobody needs more money, ever since the our assets were liquidated Eve corps apparently don't give a damn I thought dust was supposed to be about eve players hiring us to help them- PC just keeps dust isolated.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1486	Posted - 2013.06.08 23:19:00 - [2] - Quote I have a question to anyone who can answer this- HRs from corps in PC. Are the PC rewards useful at all?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1498	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:03:00 - [3] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote: There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club That's just stupid Make it a racetrack
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1499	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:10:00 - [4] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote: There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club That's just stupid Make it a racetrack No one said it couldn't be. Just trying to come up with something player run to offset how bad PC is My plan since deep in closed beta actually WAS to arrange for a racetrack planet/district once PC comes out. However, we must consider how we would get this to work. Perhaps 2 corps that can produce clones can just "fight" nonstop and have several groups of ringers racing. Why do you think I put SP into LAVs in the first place? To race around skim junction!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1499	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:13:00 - [5] - Quote If this actually goes down, I fking love you guys
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1499	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:21:00 - [6] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it. It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1499	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:27:00 - [7] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: If this actually goes down, I fking love you guys Bojo and dust uni are welcome on the planet. I know we are going to put impswarm on it and there are other newer corps that we are looking to bring in. if you have suggestions of corps please let me know Sounds good, but I'm waiting to discuss this with the rest of the corp- haven't heard from any other HRs for a while.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1499	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:37:00 - [8] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it. It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine. I'm pretty sure if you want us to be the godfather corp we can enforce any issues that might arise. "You know what I'm talkin about" I liked VEXation Gunn's response to this more- having one corp managing all this stuff just leads to a big power play. I just don't trust anyone, so having 3 or 4 big corps keeping each other in check while managing the smaller ones seems like the best solution. Only 1 thing left: think of a parody name for CONCORD
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1500	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:00:00 - [9] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it. It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine. I'm pretty sure if you want us to be the godfather corp we can enforce any issues that might arise. "You know what I'm talkin about" I liked VEXation Gunn's response to this more- having one corp managing all this stuff just leads to a big power play. I just don't trust anyone, so having 3 or 4 big corps keeping each other in check while managing the smaller ones seems like the best solution. Only 1 thing left: think of a parody name for CONCORD Well we named our anti cronos coalition "Nerds who love boobs". Sadly I don't think ccp will write that into lore. So you can refer us as LOINFEON That said we are setting this us to fight each other not be farmers. So the coalition for all intents and purpose is over when it comes to attacking Cronos. All that's left is trying to make PC fun for people and get good fights. Alright! Off to go make the "LOINFEON" channel
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1500	Posted - 2013.06.09 17:19:00 - [10] - Quote So, what corps are making up LOINFEON? Looking at the star map, we need the support of (aside from the imperfects) Seraphim Initiative The southern legion What the french Ill omens grupo de asalto chacal and that's still just 41% of PC

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1500	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:07:00 - [11] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: So, what corps are making up LOINFEON? Looking at the star map, we need the support of (aside from the imperfects) Seraphim Initiative The southern legion What the french Ill omens grupo de asalto chacal and that's still just 41% of PC LOI / Eon / NF I doubt we want to bring in the former cronos since EU lag is terribad and they can't deal with it while apparently. IO is part on eon and is a corp already on list to get a spot. What corps are those, exactly? I sortof figured that little bit out.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1500	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:27:00 - [12] - Quote Damn!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1502	Posted - 2013.06.09 18:52:00 - [13] - Quote I think we need a thread in the war room now that this thread has derailed
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1503	Posted - 2013.06.09 19:08:00 - [14] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: but I like my PC is a failure thread in GD front page. I mean there should be a more organised discussion specifically about the "planet fight club" thing, and how we're going to do it
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1512	Posted - 2013.06.10 01:48:00 - [15] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Kain Spero wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp. you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help. Actually, I do think this is the way to go. Have the option exists for either the Eve side or Dust side to "own" the districts. If the Eve side owns the districts then let Eve players use their ISK to pay for the clone packs, change surface structure, and move clones from place to place. Then allow the eve players to hire whoever they want to use their clones for their attacks and defense of the districts. In this scenario the Dusters get paid in biomass and loot and the Eve player gets paid in the passive ISK from clones and the passive bonuses from the districts. Why would they do that when PI is better profit with lower effort and risk? Easy fix for that- just increase the payout for EVE players- possibly by adding space elevators.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1523	Posted - 2013.06.11 16:13:00 - [16] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: This is not New Eden, at least not yet. I'm running around random matches all over the galaxy fighting for random corps against random players. PC was an idea best left for a Beta, but I accept this game will always be a Beta. Focus on making the freedom of Eve in Dust by implementing PvE, Corp standings, LP, open market, and break all these walls between EVE and DUST. Yeah the walls need to come down, but at the same time the core gameplay has to be addressed. On the CPM I feel like we've been sand bagged by so many basic core issues that we can't even begin to focus on the big picture. More like players complaining about core issues that don't exist (or aren't as bad as they pretend) so several months of potential progress have been lost to a rebalancing that could have been done in a few minor patches.