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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:28:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:You can't blame CCP for players being burned out. If you want to own the entire Molden Heath......or, practically speaking, if you want to hold 15 districts, then you will be having a lot of battles. That isn't CCP's fault...that is corps wishing to hold a lot of territory.
If corps wish...they can sell some of the districts and maybe corps that aren't in PC may be able to hop in and get some action.
I'd love to sell land and especially to people who aren't currently in PC. Take a look at Hrober when you get a chance. Good thing CCP deleted my Spero Escrow Services thread.
http://dustsearch.com/thread/83727
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83727GÇÄ |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:30:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Another point I would like to make is that PC isn't profitable for corps at all, it takes 18 days to recoup the isk spent. One suggestion is to increase the payout on districts so corp can recoup the starter pack money, however I don't think that is how CCP intended for PC to be fought. Starter packs where to get into PC and to expand you have to move clones. However the attrition rates on moving clones is simply too great especially considering how many districts are 2-3 jumps from the closest inhabitable system, and the low clone count leaves research facilities way to vulnerable to attack especially since transferring clones locks the district preventing the addition of new clones from a cargo hold in the same system.
CCP needs to minimize starter pack use (eg: by taking them away from corps who own districts, or by making the cost of them rise with every new district you take) and find ways to encourage attacking by moving clones.
hindsight is a hell of a thing. %100 on the button as far as I'm concerned, had been thinking the same about every increasing pack cost based on number of districts held, you are still open to dummy corps not sure what could be done about that.
I think if PC had gone out as CCP had intended (1 clone pack per a corp) things would have been more fun, with more corps involved, all the for want of a better term "super powers" would have slowly grown expanding through clone moves it would have been more strategy and you would natural reach you corps hold limit. battles would be along borders with maybe A teams going in for 4-6 jump attacks at ether low clones or having less left at home to defend.
as it is we don't need to think about stuff like that for the most part, if you want to attack a corp at their home all you have to do is spend some isk. there is no higher level of strategy you are simple choosing the scenery and that you want to fight proto.
we kinda only have are self to blame. so where now well ether CCP can patch in ether only one clone pack or ever increasing prices ASAP and see how that goes or wait and do it along with opening up more space, not sure which would be best. i would maybe even slow down the isk gen from PC to make pack attacking less attractive but that one im not sure about don't know how profitable it currently is or would be with 1 pack system
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
115
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:31:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:Mitsuko'Souma wrote:PC will continue to be completely pointless until they open it up to everyone. Honestly this is what normal skirmish mode should be, and mercenaries-for-hire should be able to jump into these battles on whichever side is hiring. This is what they made Dust 514 out to be in those extremely misleading game trailers from a few years ago.
Also, none of the above can even be done with the pathetic 16 vs 16 battles. What a joke. MAG is a 3/4 year old game and allows 256 people on the battlefield with very little lag and looks much better graphically than Dust. What is CCP's excuse? Does the interconnectivity with EVE really sap that much resources? Not to mention the fact that CCP changed the graphics which welcomed the lag we are currently getting. We were not receiving the lag and frame rate issues in Chromosome that we are now. It's as if this is intentional. I don't recall anyone complaining about Chromosome's graphics The graphics in chromosome were just not that good. They improved some things in uprising but if its effected game play then I am speechless I wouldn't mind the graphic change if we didn't have to pay so much for it I think this goes back to the issue of "making dust a good fps game" and its failures. If I have to lag/frame rate stutter around a PC match I don't really give a **** how pretty the grass it.
CCP has their priorities in a hat and they pick out of it randomly |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
115
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:32:00 -
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There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL
+1 |
Ld Collins
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 02:58:00 -
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Wouldnt the best thing to do be use one corp control a single planet that way you could just increase the size of your corp an gradually expand to other planets. This would make keeping your districts less of a burden because you would have more people to defend your planet. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
185
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:01:00 -
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This was my answer for those looking for more. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=920479#post920479
In addition I think deluxe's idea to limit the ability to buy clone packs after you own districts deserves more discussion. I also think the comments regarding salvage being nerfed into the ground are of value as well. I miss salvage...I've gotten like 2 balacs in a month of playing... |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 03:18:00 -
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1
If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:06:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though.
Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
642
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:13:00 -
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I pretty much said these exact things about 2 weeks ago and now even the biggest toughest corps are saying the same thing. There are 2 big contributors to the struggle - the game was flooded with so much isk from the asset liquidation, there's no end to the number of clone pack attacks anyone can make; and corps being able to use clone packs after having land makes all strategy meaningless.
I still think it would have been better to have big corps struggling with the management of multiple alt corps instead of just giving in and letting them have as much as they want from the get go.
But the fundamental problem is the burnout from the chore of having to defend every single day. Granted this mould have been hugely reduced if my first two points had been addressed because people wouldn't have been being attacked every single day. Now we have a situation where so many people have either been pushed out or gotten fed up that they're not even bothering trying to play in PC anymore. |
dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:10:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club Rule #1 of fight club... |
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steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
672
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:14:00 -
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shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.
you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:55:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.
you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help.
PC needs to be redesigned from scratch and that's really the only way.
As for Shanghai office I just think they thought they knew better and that its okay that we pay for a product that is in beta still. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:03:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club That's just stupid
Make it a racetrack |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:04:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club That's just stupid Make it a racetrack
No one said it couldn't be. Just trying to come up with something player run to offset how bad PC is |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:07:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. This would be fun. No land is taken. Just use it as a tournament. Weekly tournaments for isk.
The prize each week is all of the ISK generated by the districts. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1499
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:10:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club That's just stupid Make it a racetrack No one said it couldn't be. Just trying to come up with something player run to offset how bad PC is My plan since deep in closed beta actually WAS to arrange for a racetrack planet/district once PC comes out.
However, we must consider how we would get this to work. Perhaps 2 corps that can produce clones can just "fight" nonstop and have several groups of ringers racing. Why do you think I put SP into LAVs in the first place? To race around skim junction! |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
753
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:11:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:There goes Kain. Turning ranting into business LOL +1 If you don't currently have land in PC you should come talk to me or my Eve side, Kane Spero. I think turning Oddelulft into a thunderdome will be fun. We should make sure to leave some space for the Dust schools though. Fight Club Kain we are going to make Oddelulf planet Fight Club That's just stupid Make it a racetrack No one said it couldn't be. Just trying to come up with something player run to offset how bad PC is
Make different sections for different 'Gamemodes'.
For example, District 1-5 will be used for CBs, District 6-10 will be used for any Vehicle related 'Gamemodes' (LAV Racing, Demolition Derby .etc).
I will give the IMPs my supply of bacon if this happens! |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1499
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:13:00 -
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If this actually goes down, I fking love you guys |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:17:00 -
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As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
150
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:18:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:If this actually goes down, I fking love you guys
Bojo and dust uni are welcome on the planet. I know we are going to put impswarm on it and there are other newer corps that we are looking to bring in.
if you have suggestions of corps please let me know |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1499
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:21:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1499
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:27:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:If this actually goes down, I fking love you guys Bojo and dust uni are welcome on the planet. I know we are going to put impswarm on it and there are other newer corps that we are looking to bring in. if you have suggestions of corps please let me know Sounds good, but I'm waiting to discuss this with the rest of the corp- haven't heard from any other HRs for a while. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:29:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine.
If someone really thinks its a good idea to mess with NF/Eon/LOI lead Fight Club you would have people fighting over ringer spots to defend your district |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:30:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine.
I'm pretty sure if you want us to be the godfather corp we can enforce any issues that might arise. "You know what I'm talkin about" |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
753
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:31:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine. If someone really thinks its a good idea to mess with NF/Eon/LOI lead Fight Club you would have people fighting over ringer spots to defend your district
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This, I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to attack.
Everyone would be out to get them. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1499
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:37:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine. I'm pretty sure if you want us to be the godfather corp we can enforce any issues that might arise. "You know what I'm talkin about" I liked VEXation Gunn's response to this more- having one corp managing all this stuff just leads to a big power play. I just don't trust anyone, so having 3 or 4 big corps keeping each other in check while managing the smaller ones seems like the best solution.
Only 1 thing left: think of a parody name for CONCORD |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:40:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine. I'm pretty sure if you want us to be the godfather corp we can enforce any issues that might arise. "You know what I'm talkin about" I liked VEXation Gunn's response to this more- having one corp managing all this stuff just leads to a big power play. I just don't trust anyone, so having 3 or 4 big corps keeping each other in check while managing the smaller ones seems like the best solution. Only 1 thing left: think of a parody name for CONCORD
Well we named our anti cronos coalition "Nerds who love boobs". Sadly I don't think ccp will write that into lore. So you can refer us as LOINFEON
That said we are setting this us to fight each other not be farmers. So the coalition for all intents and purpose is over when it comes to attacking Cronos. All that's left is trying to make PC fun for people and get good fights. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1500
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:00:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:As of now we have about 12 top level corps and a few new/noob corps that we have talked about. We would want to fill the rest of the spot with new/mid table corps. Then everyone change to production structure and we just set up fights for fun. If you want to do LAV races do it. If you want to set training matches do it. If you want to go HAM in a fight do it.
It's all about overcoming what we all agree is just bad PC design and try to have fun Last but not least, we'll need a way to defend these districts from assholes who want to ruin the fun- but I think getting ringers for unscheduled attacks, and simple security guards for scheduled "attacks" we'll be fine. I'm pretty sure if you want us to be the godfather corp we can enforce any issues that might arise. "You know what I'm talkin about" I liked VEXation Gunn's response to this more- having one corp managing all this stuff just leads to a big power play. I just don't trust anyone, so having 3 or 4 big corps keeping each other in check while managing the smaller ones seems like the best solution. Only 1 thing left: think of a parody name for CONCORD Well we named our anti cronos coalition "Nerds who love boobs". Sadly I don't think ccp will write that into lore. So you can refer us as LOINFEON That said we are setting this us to fight each other not be farmers. So the coalition for all intents and purpose is over when it comes to attacking Cronos. All that's left is trying to make PC fun for people and get good fights. Alright! Off to go make the "LOINFEON" channel |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1500
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:19:00 -
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So, what corps are making up LOINFEON?
Looking at the star map, we need the support of (aside from the imperfects) Seraphim Initiative The southern legion What the french Ill omens grupo de asalto chacal
and that's still just 41% of PC |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
159
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:28:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:So, what corps are making up LOINFEON?
Looking at the star map, we need the support of (aside from the imperfects) Seraphim Initiative The southern legion What the french Ill omens grupo de asalto chacal
and that's still just 41% of PC
LOI / Eon / NF
I doubt we want to bring in the former cronos since EU lag is terribad and they can't deal with it while apparently. IO is part on eon and is a corp already on list to get a spot.
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