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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 17:33:00 -
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I demand a planet for vehicle pilots to roam free in their militia fits to cool down without getting facerolled by prototype infantry! |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
162
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:04:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:I demand a planet for vehicle pilots to roam free in their militia fits to cool down without getting facerolled by prototype infantry!
no one says there can't be a infantry battle with a bunch of tankers in milita suits on either side. I mean it would be great to stream that that as we all know tankers can aim so people will be running out of ammo and trying to melee each other. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1500
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:07:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:So, what corps are making up LOINFEON?
Looking at the star map, we need the support of (aside from the imperfects) Seraphim Initiative The southern legion What the french Ill omens grupo de asalto chacal
and that's still just 41% of PC LOI / Eon / NF I doubt we want to bring in the former cronos since EU lag is terribad and they can't deal with it while apparently. IO is part on eon and is a corp already on list to get a spot. What corps are those, exactly? I sortof figured that little bit out. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
162
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:13:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:VEXation Gunn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:So, what corps are making up LOINFEON?
Looking at the star map, we need the support of (aside from the imperfects) Seraphim Initiative The southern legion What the french Ill omens grupo de asalto chacal
and that's still just 41% of PC LOI / Eon / NF I doubt we want to bring in the former cronos since EU lag is terribad and they can't deal with it while apparently. IO is part on eon and is a corp already on list to get a spot. What corps are those, exactly? I sortof figured that little bit out.
SyN, IO, TP, Not G, Giant, RS, Generals, R spades, Imperfects, I.E., Hellstorm, OH, ML, PHI, RND, (1/2 Rofl corp)
Then corps like Impswarm, bojo, dust uni, etc ( newer/mid tier corps) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1500
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:27:00 -
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Damn! |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
164
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:39:00 -
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you have to understand that we play PC for fights not farming. This is an attempt to be able to do this on regular basis. when battles are set up it will be 1 fight not taking the actual district.
At this point in time I could care less if other alliances want to farm isk or not. That's on ccp for making PC "farm first" by design. We are still looking for more newer/mid tier corps to want in.
PS thanks for cronos for being bad at dust and letting us have the planet :-) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1502
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:52:00 -
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I think we need a thread in the war room now that this thread has derailed |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
756
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:55:00 -
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So what will it be?
Just the planet with 24(?) districts, that was owned by Cronos? Or will it be a much larger chunk of Molden Heath? |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
164
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:56:00 -
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but I like my PC is a failure thread in GD front page. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
164
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:57:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:So what will it be?
Just the planet with 24(?) districts, that was owned by Cronos? Or will it be a much larger chunk of Molden Heath?
just the 1 planet for now as we still have space open on it
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1503
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:08:00 -
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VEXation Gunn wrote:but I like my PC is a failure thread in GD front page. I mean there should be a more organised discussion specifically about the "planet fight club" thing, and how we're going to do it |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
1396
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:25:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:You can't blame CCP for players being burned out. If you want to own the entire Molden Heath......or, practically speaking, if you want to hold 15 districts, then you will be having a lot of battles. That isn't CCP's fault...that is corps wishing to hold a lot of territory.
If corps wish...they can sell some of the districts and maybe corps that aren't in PC may be able to hop in and get some action. I'd love to sell land and especially to people who aren't currently in PC. Take a look at Hrober when you get a chance. Good thing CCP deleted my Spero Escrow Services thread. http://dustsearch.com/thread/83727https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83727GÇÄ
And I respect that +1 |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
432
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:59:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Hardcore players are being catered to the most actually, its called the skill points levelling system A casual player will need to invest in boosters if he realistically wants to be competitive if he plays dust as a weekend warrior
That is a common misconception, everyone should be running dual boosters. Reason, boosters won't help you cut short time you are using for your weekly cap but rather just give extra. To all. |
Deadeye Dic
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
140
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:15:00 -
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I see tons of potential here in some of the suggestions going around.
Perhaps something an all tankers battle could be held.
Tank races as well, only with a hitch, they can shoot each other....yeah I'd watch that. Of course those matches would have to be worth a lot of ISK and 1st-3rd place would have to make enough to cover at least the lost of 2 tanks.
Sniper competitions as well. I'd join in on that fun. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1557
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:52:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.
you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help.
Actually, I do think this is the way to go. Have the option exists for either the Eve side or Dust side to "own" the districts. If the Eve side owns the districts then let Eve players use their ISK to pay for the clone packs, change surface structure, and move clones from place to place. Then allow the eve players to hire whoever they want to use their clones for their attacks and defense of the districts. In this scenario the Dusters get paid in biomass and loot and the Eve player gets paid in the passive ISK from clones and the passive bonuses from the districts. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1876
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:58:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.
you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help. Actually, I do think this is the way to go. Have the option exists for either the Eve side or Dust side to "own" the districts. If the Eve side owns the districts then let Eve players use their ISK to pay for the clone packs, change surface structure, and move clones from place to place. Then allow the eve players to hire whoever they want to use their clones for their attacks and defense of the districts. In this scenario the Dusters get paid in biomass and loot and the Eve player gets paid in the passive ISK from clones and the passive bonuses from the districts.
Why would they do that when PI is better profit with lower effort and risk? |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1512
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Posted - 2013.06.10 01:48:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Kain Spero wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.
you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help. Actually, I do think this is the way to go. Have the option exists for either the Eve side or Dust side to "own" the districts. If the Eve side owns the districts then let Eve players use their ISK to pay for the clone packs, change surface structure, and move clones from place to place. Then allow the eve players to hire whoever they want to use their clones for their attacks and defense of the districts. In this scenario the Dusters get paid in biomass and loot and the Eve player gets paid in the passive ISK from clones and the passive bonuses from the districts. Why would they do that when PI is better profit with lower effort and risk? Easy fix for that- just increase the payout for EVE players- possibly by adding space elevators. |
Grimmiers
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
176
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Posted - 2013.06.10 02:39:00 -
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New game mode for PC: Skirmish 3.0
-The redline is greatly increased to allow enough room to build a base for the opposing team -Biomass gained from killing enemies, vehicles, and installations are used to deploy your own -Null cannons are now destroyable, but can always be repaired by a logi -Null cannons are deployable installations and can be placed virtually anywhere on level terrain. You start the match with 2 and earn more with biomass (spending biomass will decrease end match rewards) -Other deployable installations are player configured supply depots, large turrets, small turrets (love small stationary from 1.0), bunkers, and some medium sized infrastructures for blank sockets.
The field commander can control the mcc, but doing so would remove your redzone until you come to a stop and reactivate it.
I think this would make pc battles a lot more interesting and matches may even last long enough to have all clones depleted. A surrender button can be put in place, but can only be used if your team lost a certain amount of clones.
Null cannons and installations are bought beforehand, but could be using biomass to power them. It's not like the lore really matters anyway since we use warpoints to call in orbitals.
More on topic though, planetary conquest does feel like a job and I'm hoping 2.2 will fix some of the game breaking issues. It would be cool if a corp could make a friendly battle planet where corps can rotate spots and get some practice. |
J3ff H3rc
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:08:00 -
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I almost gave up on Dust, but the "Fight/Race Playground" sounds like a good way to enjoy a bad game....
And i'm sad that CCP don't say nothing about the whole situation, but when you go to sites like Destructoid, you saw an interview with some VP-Whatever executive proud of the new modes they will introduce and how they are "confident" with their Five Years Life Plan. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
194
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:10:00 -
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J3ff H3rc wrote:I almost gave up on Dust, but the "Fight/Race Playground" sounds like a good way to enjoy a bad game....
And i'm sad that CCP don't say nothing about the whole situation, but when you go to sites like Destructoid, you saw an interview with some VP-Whatever executive proud of the new modes they will introduce and how they are "confident" with their Five Years Life Plan.
I just think ccp is oblivious to whats going on |
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xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
289
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:37:00 -
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J3ff H3rc wrote:I almost gave up on Dust, but the "Fight/Race Playground" sounds like a good way to enjoy a bad game....
And i'm sad that CCP don't say nothing about the whole situation, but when you go to sites like Destructoid, you saw an interview with some VP-Whatever executive proud of the new modes they will introduce and how they are "confident" with their Five Years Life Plan.
Their 5 year plan is complete BS. The only reason why people currently play this game is because we are at the end of a console generation. There isn't anything to play this is the principle reason as to why most people even bothered to give DUST a chance. This game was nowhere near ready to be released, and won't be able to compete with AAA titles that are launching in the fall.
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
259
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:48:00 -
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PC worked out just fine. For the ringers/mercs 4 hire. (thanks) No commitment there. EVE is a second job to most. Why wouldn't anyone want a second job in DUST514?
Awesome thinking there eh? |
J3ff H3rc
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.10 05:08:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:PC worked out just fine. For the ringers/mercs 4 hire. (thanks) No commitment there. EVE is a second job to most. Why wouldn't anyone want a second job in DUST514?
Awesome thinking there eh?
Regular jobs are boring, imagine a bad game as second job....
At least, with the Race District, i can give up on Grid 2 and become a legendary LAV Race....
And Dropship Pilots can record the races from the air (at least try to)...
But seriously now, Dust needs objectives, real purpose for all the hard work and time spent...
It will take years for CCP to improve, and when this time arrive, i'll be an ancient being that forgot what is game |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
855
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Posted - 2013.06.10 05:19:00 -
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xjumpman23 wrote:J3ff H3rc wrote:I almost gave up on Dust, but the "Fight/Race Playground" sounds like a good way to enjoy a bad game....
And i'm sad that CCP don't say nothing about the whole situation, but when you go to sites like Destructoid, you saw an interview with some VP-Whatever executive proud of the new modes they will introduce and how they are "confident" with their Five Years Life Plan. Their 5 year plan is complete BS. The only reason why people currently play this game is because we are at the end of a console generation. There isn't anything to play this is the principle reason as to why most people even bothered to give DUST a chance. This game was nowhere near ready to be released, and won't be able to compete with AAA titles that are launching in the fall.
As bad as the game can be there are a lot of players that did a hell of a lot more than just "give DUST a chance."
Why have so many people dedicated so much time and effort playing what is at best just an ok shooter? Why are you still here playing this game?
More importantly, why do I still play this game? I still play, every week. Why, when I have a shelf full of triple A single player titles I haven't bothered to finish? And quite a few triple A multiplayer titles that I could be playing as well.
Is there something in the skill boosters?
Anyway, 5 year plan is not BS. It really does exist.
Players can play more than one game at a time. Does Dust have to compete with every other game out there? No. People have been making the argument that it does since at least this time last year and so far Dust, as crappy as it is, kind of just keeps chugging along.There were already new games that have been released in the last year that were supposed to have wiped DUST off the map. Never happened. I can't explain why people play Dust 514. But they do.
Also, thanks for reminding me that this is the end of the console generation and there isn't anything to play. Need to pre-order The Last of Us. Maybe get Borderlands 2 and maybe Bioshock Infinite, Farcry 3, Metro: Last Light, by the way, how is the multiplayer for Crysis 3?
Crap, what am I thinking? I still haven't even finished Dishonored. Heck, haven't even finished Mass Effect 3GǪ |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
341
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Posted - 2013.06.10 13:59:00 -
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We have a right to complain about the game as it certainly has its issues, but all the knee jerk reactions of the game failing is nonsense.
If they don't roll out some serious fixes or start to communicate more in the next month or so, perhaps. But our community is thriving. People are frustrated at times, but I just can't see people leaving is mass.
This planet idea is enough to hold us over and CCP has said they will watch what we do with PC, if we work around it to create content for ourselves it should certainly send a message.
I think there needs to be an announcement of the planet idea. I'm not sure if the Devs have found this thread. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1558
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:04:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Kain Spero wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.
you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help. Actually, I do think this is the way to go. Have the option exists for either the Eve side or Dust side to "own" the districts. If the Eve side owns the districts then let Eve players use their ISK to pay for the clone packs, change surface structure, and move clones from place to place. Then allow the eve players to hire whoever they want to use their clones for their attacks and defense of the districts. In this scenario the Dusters get paid in biomass and loot and the Eve player gets paid in the passive ISK from clones and the passive bonuses from the districts. Why would they do that when PI is better profit with lower effort and risk?
The right economic incentives would have to be put in place and they just aren't there. I know there are tons of groups eve-side that would love to get involved in orbital strikes and dust stuff, but there isn't really enough incentive there to do so. Plus, forcing Dusters an Eve pilots to join the same corp or alliance to reap rewards is just proving a painful obstacle.
Honestly, they do need a standings system in Dust, they need ways for eve pilots to manipulate clones and districts, and they need to get the Dust and Eve economies linked in a more tangible way. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
341
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:07:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Kain Spero wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:shift PC to EvE players that can then contract out to Dust players at fixed prices this way its an EvE who has to talk to us and we can chose when and were to part without to much of it. if EvE units want a standing army for their PC they have to build up their own dust corp.
you know like what they said they were going to in the first place. Also maybe not having head in sand leadership and office shangi (Why what is the point england office tax breaks too >.<) might also help. Actually, I do think this is the way to go. Have the option exists for either the Eve side or Dust side to "own" the districts. If the Eve side owns the districts then let Eve players use their ISK to pay for the clone packs, change surface structure, and move clones from place to place. Then allow the eve players to hire whoever they want to use their clones for their attacks and defense of the districts. In this scenario the Dusters get paid in biomass and loot and the Eve player gets paid in the passive ISK from clones and the passive bonuses from the districts. Why would they do that when PI is better profit with lower effort and risk? The right economic incentives would have to be put in place and they just aren't there. I know there are tons of groups eve-side that would love to get involved in orbital strikes and dust stuff, but there isn't really enough incentive there to do so. Plus, forcing Dusters an Eve pilots to join the same corp or alliance to reap rewards is just proving a painful obstacle. Honestly, they do need a standings system in Dust, they need ways for eve pilots to manipulate clones and districts, and they need to get the Dust and Eve economies linked in a more tangible way.
Yep, to get eve pilots involved right now it's only from a "something new" excitement for them to do it at all. Perhaps in the beginning it was to help their alliance or whatever, but it takes longer to get the strike down and many times its a dud because of this. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1558
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:23:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: Yep, to get eve pilots involved right now it's only from a "something new" excitement for them to do it at all. Perhaps in the beginning it was to help their alliance or whatever, but it takes longer to get the strike down and many times its a dud because of this.
Not only that, but as it stands right now your success in orbit Eve-side doesn't Impact the Dust side due to being tied to warpoints. I really think the mechanic used a fanfest where what gave you Eve-side OBs was the Eve pilots controlling the area around the satellite.
Before I was concerned about baby steps, but now I'm not so sure. Just think about how much ISK flowed into the Eve markets because of Incursions and the Faction Warfare issues. The amount of economic activity that would occur in Molden Heath would be a drop in the bucket. Let Molden Heath serve as the testing ground, but let's start to take real steps forward. Eve and its players need to be leveraged to make Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest all that they can be.
It's time for bold moves when it comes to the big picture of the game. On the small scale of the core mechanics, though it needs to be all about iteration. Changes have to communicated in detail. There is no test server for Dust, so communicating the upcoming changes and balance issues is even more important.
We went in for good fights in Planetary Conquest and we end up with players on the opposing side that refuse to leave their MCC due to performance issues. Then we have teams that refuse to show up entirely even on their "home world" . Something has to give. |
J3ff H3rc
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:29:00 -
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Aighun wrote:xjumpman23 wrote:J3ff H3rc wrote:I almost gave up on Dust, but the "Fight/Race Playground" sounds like a good way to enjoy a bad game....
And i'm sad that CCP don't say nothing about the whole situation, but when you go to sites like Destructoid, you saw an interview with some VP-Whatever executive proud of the new modes they will introduce and how they are "confident" with their Five Years Life Plan. Their 5 year plan is complete BS. The only reason why people currently play this game is because we are at the end of a console generation. There isn't anything to play this is the principle reason as to why most people even bothered to give DUST a chance. This game was nowhere near ready to be released, and won't be able to compete with AAA titles that are launching in the fall. As bad as the game can be there are a lot of players that did a hell of a lot more than just "give DUST a chance." Why have so many people dedicated so much time and effort playing what is at best just an ok shooter? Why are you still here playing this game? More importantly, why do I still play this game? I still play, every week. Why, when I have a shelf full of triple A single player titles I haven't bothered to finish? And quite a few triple A multiplayer titles that I could be playing as well. Is there something in the skill boosters? Anyway, 5 year plan is not BS. It really does exist. Players can play more than one game at a time. Does Dust have to compete with every other game out there? No. People have been making the argument that it does since at least this time last year and so far Dust, as crappy as it is, kind of just keeps chugging along.There were already new games that have been released in the last year that were supposed to have wiped DUST off the map. Never happened. I can't explain why people play Dust 514. But they do. Also, thanks for reminding me that this is the end of the console generation and there isn't anything to play. Need to pre-order The Last of Us. Maybe get Borderlands 2 and maybe Bioshock Infinite, Farcry 3, Metro: Last Light, by the way, how is the multiplayer for Crysis 3? Crap, what am I thinking? I still haven't even finished Dishonored. Heck, haven't even finished Mass Effect 3GǪ
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3588
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Posted - 2013.06.10 14:30:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:It's time for bold moves when it comes to the big picture of the game. On the small scale of the core mechanics, though it needs to be all about iteration. Changes have to communicated in detail. There is no test server for Dust, so communicating the upcoming changes and balance issues is even more important.
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