Well if the add big jiggly boobie babe skins to every dropsuit on PC matches.... cant get any more fun than that.

...And yes warlord they can have bacon bikinis, and shoot tequila shots.

It feels like a job

This is the worst aspect of PC. From talking with other alliance leaders and other folks players are running themselves ragged. Sure folks may have made the mistake of taking on too many districts, but it's getting to the point where enemies aren't even showing up to fight.

The land rush was probably the worst aspect of the whole thing. In hindsight CCP should have just in stealth mode changed it to where Corps could only land 1 or 2 districts, so we wouldn't have ended up with all of the alt corp BS that was an initial concern or massive land grabs by single entities. There are now people that would like to be in PC, but don't feel like sinking 160 to 240 million plus just to secure one spot that will get crushed by the bigger groups.

Right now the only way to be involved in PC is if you want to fight to own land, which is unsustainable. Faction Warfare isn't robust enough or different enough from pub matches to capture the attention for long of serious corps that want to duke it out with other player corporations. Faction Warfare needs to focus on organized player groups making pushes for the empire of their choosing, and there also needs to be ways for smaller groups to attack districts in PC for ISK or resources and NOT for ownership. There is also no progression to taking a district it's just the same fight repeated 2 to 3 times.

If your corp or organization gets pushed out of PC land ownership there really isn't anywhere to go. I watched organizations get removed from PC and then have their numbers drop by the thousands. You then end up with these experienced, high power players flooding into Instant Battle and kicking the crap out of newer players, which makes the new guys want to leave the game. A vicious cycle has been created that does nothing but drive people from the game. If you are successful you get burned out and if you aren't successful you just get pushed out of the game. There has to be more to Dust than two game modes. There has to be more progression than there is now. Honestly, there just has to be more.

The problems are deeper than that though. I don't think CCP has turned a deaf ear (CCP Nullarbor and CCP FoxFour among others have been champs making the changes they can to improve the system). Right now there are so many significant issues with the core gameplay that the larger picture like planetary conquest and faction warfare can't get the attention they need.

This is the worst aspect of PC. From talking with other alliance leaders and other folks players are running themselves ragged. Sure folks may have made the mistake of taking on too many districts, but it's getting to the point where enemies aren't even showing up to fight.

The land rush was probably the worst aspect of the whole thing. In hindsight CCP should have just in stealth mode changed it to where Corps could only land 1 or 2 districts, so we wouldn't have ended up with all of the alt corp BS that was an initial concern or massive land grabs by single entities. There are now people that would like to be in PC, but don't feel like sinking 160 to 240 million plus just to secure one spot that will get crushed by the bigger groups.

Right now the only way to be involved in PC is if you want to fight to own land, which is unsustainable. Faction Warfare isn't robust enough or different enough from pub matches to capture the attention for long of serious corps that want to duke it out with other player corporations. Faction Warfare needs to focus on organized player groups making pushes for the empire of their choosing, and there also needs to be ways for smaller groups to attack districts in PC for ISK or resources and NOT for ownership. There is also no progression to taking a district it's just the same fight repeated 2 to 3 times.

If your corp or organization gets pushed out of PC land ownership there really isn't anywhere to go. I watched organizations get removed from PC and then have their numbers drop by the thousands. You then end up with these experienced, high power players flooding into Instant Battle and kicking the crap out of newer players, which makes the new guys want to leave the game. A vicious cycle has been created that does nothing but drive people from the game. If you are successful you get burned out and if you aren't successful you just get pushed out of the game. There has to be more to Dust than two game modes. There has to be more progression than there is now. Honestly, there just has to be more.

The problems are deeper than that though. I don't think CCP has turned a deaf ear (CCP Nullarbor and CCP FoxFour among others have been champs making the changes they can to improve the system). Right now there are so many significant issues with the core gameplay that the larger picture like planetary conquest and faction warfare can't get the attention they need.

I have a question to anyone who can answer this- HRs from corps in PC.

Are the PC rewards useful at all?

I have a question to anyone who can answer this- HRs from corps in PC.

Are the PC rewards useful at all?

PC is fully built around favoring the victor. If you win, you get the clones and more importantly, you get a morale boost whereas the loser gets burnt out.

The clone production is not bad ISK if you are left alone: 8-12M per district per day. This favors the victorious corporations further, as not many dare attack them.

PC mechanics favor the victor of individual 16vs16 fights way too much. It's in essence a glorified clan ladder; numbers do not matter, strategy does not matter, metagame matters a little, it's just all about who wins fights.

You can't blame CCP for players being burned out. If you want to own the entire Molden Heath......or, practically speaking, if you want to hold 15 districts, then you will be having a lot of battles. That isn't CCP's fault...that is corps wishing to hold a lot of territory.

If corps wish...they can sell some of the districts and maybe corps that aren't in PC may be able to hop in and get some action.

PC will continue to be completely pointless until they open it up to everyone. Honestly this is what normal skirmish mode should be, and mercenaries-for-hire should be able to jump into these battles on whichever side is hiring. This is what they made Dust 514 out to be in those extremely misleading game trailers from a few years ago.

Also, none of the above can even be done with the pathetic 16 vs 16 battles. What a joke. MAG is a 3/4 year old game and allows 256 people on the battlefield with very little lag and looks much better graphically than Dust. What is CCP's excuse? Does the interconnectivity with EVE really sap that much resources?

PC will continue to be completely pointless until they open it up to everyone. Honestly this is what normal skirmish mode should be, and mercenaries-for-hire should be able to jump into these battles on whichever side is hiring. This is what they made Dust 514 out to be in those extremely misleading game trailers from a few years ago.

Also, none of the above can even be done with the pathetic 16 vs 16 battles. What a joke. MAG is a 3/4 year old game and allows 256 people on the battlefield with very little lag and looks much better graphically than Dust. What is CCP's excuse? Does the interconnectivity with EVE really sap that much resources?

It's hard to sustain a RISK type game system like this without a player base.

I mean... 6k daily if even that?

I thought for sure it would be around 20k or so when it launched, sadly mistaken.

We are having the same issues as in closed beta, fighting the same exact people over and over again.

PC is just another fail-block in the fail-pyramid that is DUST right now.


I understand a ton of people put work into this game and I feel bad for them.

Having some digital douche like me critisizing their job is not right in some respects.

But I play games for entertainment and I call them as I see them.

People who keep saying PC is only for the top elite 1% or whatever bullshit number they made up are full of it. Yeah I'm looking at you Trolls, though you're hardly the only one QQ'ing about it. A top of the line best of the best 100 man corp should realistically only expect to defend 3-6 districts in the long term, unless people are just plain too scared to attack them. They can take most any district because they're the best of the best, but offense and defense are and will always be completely different animals.

Now there are clearly serious issues with PC in general and things that need to be addressed. But the people complaining about burnout inflicted it on themselves by putting their corps at the mercy of up to 40 timers a day. Because they were greedy and dumb and didn't bother to think about what would happen when they were having to defend 20 districts. Every. Single. Day.

You want more corps in PC? Quit trying to hold more land than you can realistically defend.

Payouts need to be adjusted, or what will likely happen is top corps will just roam around the map, kicking lower corps off land and selling off the districts (or extorting them). Payouts are so low and attack costs are so high (and consequently, selling prices) that trying to be involved in PC will be a significant net loss for anyone not able to attack and sell off land in a very efficient manner. So eventually corps quit buying and the whole thing stagnates into Farmville with attacks only being instigated by sheer boredom with the system.

right this is beta you cant even player to player item swap for gods sake

It seems to me no one wants to be viewed as a PC quitter

PC will continue to be completely pointless until they open it up to everyone. Honestly this is what normal skirmish mode should be, and mercenaries-for-hire should be able to jump into these battles on whichever side is hiring. This is what they made Dust 514 out to be in those extremely misleading game trailers from a few years ago.

Also, none of the above can even be done with the pathetic 16 vs 16 battles. What a joke. MAG is a 3/4 year old game and allows 256 people on the battlefield with very little lag and looks much better graphically than Dust. What is CCP's excuse? Does the interconnectivity with EVE really sap that much resources?

Not to mention the fact that CCP changed the graphics which welcomed the lag we are currently getting.

We were not receiving the lag and frame rate issues in Chromosome that we are now. It's as if this is intentional. I don't recall anyone complaining about Chromosome's graphics

The graphics in chromosome were just not that good. They improved some things in uprising but if its effected game play then I am speechless

I wouldn't mind the graphic change if we didn't have to pay so much for it