No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage.

No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage.

No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage.

Yeah it's pretty bad that they include multiple types of tanking for dropsuits and vehicles, then make one clearly superior to the other in both instances.

What's the point of options if one option is so blatantly inferior to the other?

No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage.

Forges, railguns, Flux Grenades, Orbitals (pending confirmation), blasters all do more to shields.

I already mentioned forge guns.

Flux grenades do nothing to vehicles (in every instance I have tried) and railguns will not do enough extra damage that you will notice as they already do massive damage to everything anyway.

Orbitals will always kill you unless you're quick or on the edge of it.

I find the argument against reppers somewhat redundant as shields can tank a lot more HP than armour tanks which allows them more time to react or escape. Given that all other AV does more damage to armour, this is a huge strength for shields.

You said there are more weapons that do more to armor. That was wrong.

Flux grenades do nothing to (shield) vehicles? Please move along troll.

Hardly anyone in this thread has an argument "against" reppers. We want shield tanks to have a role and armor tanks to have a role.

Ugh, why do I find myself face to face with unpleasantry all too often on this forum? I have tried flux against every Caldari logisitcs LAV I have ever come across and it has done nothing, even when they are stationary. My experience with HAV's and flux nades has also never been successful, but I haven't had as many opportunities to test it.

Don't call me a troll for telling you my experience with the game, how about you actually look up the term?

As for the weapons that do more damage to armour: You have any form of missiles that do more to armour, swarm launchers, AV grenades, and if the AR is anything to go by, blasters actually do more to armour too. Let's not mention the mass driver or the plasma cannon because they might be one weapon too many over this:

GÇ£You said there are more weapons that do more to armor. That was wrong.GÇ¥

You must attract it with what you post sir.

Shield LLAVs are an issue, but one for another thread. We are talking about HAVs (and dropships fit the bill too really).

I never said what was more effective or had a better time (although it's armor), you said there were more weapons dealing more damage to armor than shield, that was completely, 100%, wrong. Plasma cannon does more to shields and Mass Driver is not an AV weapon. I'm not sure why you bring these two up.

As far as flux grenades not being effective vs Caldari HAVs, please just practice playing the game sir. Your enjoyment will improve if your skill does.

Forges, railguns, Flux Grenades, Orbitals (pending confirmation), blasters all do more to shields.

List of wepons and dammage some one help me with this .

1 forge guns and rail guns dish 109% dammage to shields and 89%-90% dammage to armour as do largeblaster turrets.

2 flux grenades do no dammage to armour and an unmesurable ammount of dammage due to how they work but if 1 fluxgrenade explodes under your gunlogi you will loose a minimun of 1300 shields (tried and tested via syncing up in faction.) Level1 flux.

3 plasma cannons I believe do 109% dammage to shields and 89% dammage to armour.

4 av nades are 90% effective against shields and 129% effectice against armour as are any missiles.

As you can see there is more weponry avaliable for taking down shields opposed to armour .

Edited for correction of dammage for the plasma cannon thanks ladwar.

Just quoting a good post.

A proto assault forge can solo a well fit gunnlogi before it can even try to retreat... Not cool.

If it can solo the Gunnlogi, I'm fairly certain it would have no problem vs any other armour tank.

I like how the three main weapons for taking down armour are consolidated into just one point. Missiles (turrets and installations) do an incredible amount to armour. Swarm launchers also do much more to armour.

The example I'm looking at is still AV grenades with a massive 40% difference between shield and armour damage, where the tow main killers have to add their differences to get the same. Seems very balanced to me.

The only part where you really have a point is with flux grenades, but you're forgetting AV grenades again as they still do an astonishing amount to armour. You can solo an armour tank using AV grenades alone, you can't do this using flux grenades, you said so yourself:

- GÇ£flux grenades do no dammage to armourGÇ¥

This means you either have to carry another AV weapon to take down that Gunnlogi, or a mass driver which can be fairly effective against vehicles (and infantry once fixed). Seems balanced to me.

Haven't read ANYTHING except the title.

I actually prefer the Caldari (Shield) Tanks over Gallente (Armor) Tanks.

If you look at the statistics and logic behind it all (Not just base health and turret type...), they're actually pretty pretty balanced. Example? Why, sure.

Shield: Hard to destroy with anything other than a pure AV weapons. Ex: Plasma Cannon, Turrets, Forge Gun. CONS: Once shield is gone, the vehicle is toast. Better bring some Armor Repairs.

Armor: Low Shield, but more eHP. However, it's a bit weak against all other AV weapons. I could break a Soma with a Mass Driver, if I had enough ammo (And I carry hives, so i do have enough Ammo...), so long as Shields are down. I can take out 1/3 of the Armor of the Soma with just one AV Grenade. It's just weaker against that stuff.

So yea. Balanced, although it seems otherwise. I just like to bring a Caldari Tank into the match because the shield is so hard to destroy, it gives me a chance to run before I get destroyed.

Read any of the many many posts explaining how wrong you are, then kindly leave.

Well, I don't really get into all the crazy stuff. I focus on mechanics. I'm sorry. :(

I was thinking about weakness/strength. Honestly, I can't fit a vehicle for ****, but I use Armor Repairs on my Sica, and I rarely lose those. Congratz though, not a lot of people correct me. :D

Read any of the many many posts explaining how wrong you are, then kindly leave.

Well, I don't really get into all the crazy stuff. I focus on mechanics. I'm sorry. :(

I was thinking about weakness/strength. Honestly, I can't fit a vehicle for ****, but I use Armor Repairs on my Sica, and I rarely lose those. Congratz though, not a lot of people correct me. :D

ALSO: I've been using the Mass Driver for a WHILE now. I was simply saying it's good enough against Armor that I COULD AV a Soma with it. I'm a 4m SP Gallente G/1-Series Logistics. I also know how to use big words. I'd appreciate if you NOT act like I have no idea what I'm talking about, as I learn faster than most.

(Posted after reading about the 'And using MD for AV? Really?' comment.)

EDIT: Have destroyed a Madrugar as well, just so you know. Packed AV 'Nades tweaked into my 'Assault - Anti-Armor' starting fit. Combo of Swarms + 'Nades.

Yeah, I continue to support some balancing here. I actually saw an armor tank straight up ignore 2 guys shooting missiles at it today. He drove off when I became the third, but not until I hit him with 5 salvos, and the other two guys kept chasing it too. Now maybe they were using militia launchers, but I have some skill points sunk into an anti-armor fitting which includes advanced launcher and damage mods. A tank should not be able to so thoroughly god-mode its way around the field. Granted, I am sure it was a very expensive tank, but that's a LOT of attention, and it was fun watching 15 missiles rushing into it....

..but it would have been more fun if it just died.

I do believe the general consensus is that shield tanks need to be on line with armor tanks.

Not armor tanks need to be brought down a peg. Feel free to create a thread suggesting tanks need to be nerfed though. It will fly well.

Yeah, I continue to support some balancing here. I actually saw an armor tank straight up ignore 2 guys shooting missiles at it today. He drove off when I became the third, but not until I hit him with 5 salvos, and the other two guys kept chasing it too. Now maybe they were using militia launchers, but I have some skill points sunk into an anti-armor fitting which includes advanced launcher and damage mods. A tank should not be able to so thoroughly god-mode its way around the field. Granted, I am sure it was a very expensive tank, but that's a LOT of attention, and it was fun watching 15 missiles rushing into it....

..but it would have been more fun if it just died.