I like how the three main weapons for taking down armour are consolidated into just one point. Missiles (turrets and installations) do an incredible amount to armour. Swarm launchers also do much more to armour.

The example I'm looking at is still AV grenades with a massive 40% difference between shield and armour damage, where the tow main killers have to add their differences to get the same. Seems very balanced to me.

The only part where you really have a point is with flux grenades, but you're forgetting AV grenades again as they still do an astonishing amount to armour. You can solo an armour tank using AV grenades alone, you can't do this using flux grenades, you said so yourself:

- GÇ£flux grenades do no dammage to armourGÇ¥

This means you either have to carry another AV weapon to take down that Gunnlogi, or a mass driver which can be fairly effective against vehicles (and infantry once fixed). Seems balanced to me.

Also fix the eHP values again.
I-¦m not on DUST right now but several Gallente vehicles have up to 700 HP more eHP than their shield counterparts.

EDIT:
Gorgon: 2160 HP
Viper: 1661 HP

Grimsnes: 2400 HP
Myron: 1845 HP

Incubus: 2400 HP
Phyton: 1845 HP

Prometheus: 2862 HP
Eryx: 2700 HP

Baloch: 1210 HP
Onikuma: 1040 HP

Methana: 2641 HP
Saga: 2325 HP

Limbus: 3206 HP
Charydbis: 2984 HP

Abron: 1815 HP
Callisto: 1460 HP

Soma: 3651 HP
Sica: 3463 HP

Madrugar: 4750 HP
Gunnlogi: 4500 HP

Vayu: 4672 HP
Falchion: 4632 HP

Stats based on wiki.dust514.info

These stats are the totall armour and shield of a naked fit . Even with shield extenders a shield tank that gets into armour is dead so we have much much lower ehp.

plus the armor repairers are much, much better as well. :(

much, much, much more

Whatever chaps, I'm sure with the excellent attitudes displayed in this thread you're sure to get a positive response...

For those saying armour reps are 3x as strong as shield, I honestly don't understand what you're talking about. The hp repaired by armour reps is 3x that of a shield booster, but armour reps have a pulse interval of 3.0 secs, where shield boosters have a pulse of 1.0 secs. Am I missing something?

As for armour tanks being faster than shield tanks, wtf are you smoking?

There are drawbacks and strengths to each, and as a killer (and occasional driver) of tanks, I see no problems. You may get wtfpwned by flux grenades, but let's be honest; how many people carry those over AV grenades and swarms?

Whatever chaps, I'm sure with the excellent attitudes displayed in this thread you're sure to get a positive response...

For those saying armour reps are 3x as strong as shield, I honestly don't understand what you're talking about. The hp repaired by armour reps is 3x that of a shield booster, but armour reps have a pulse interval of 3.0 secs, where shield boosters have a pulse of 1.0 secs. Am I missing something?

As for armour tanks being faster than shield tanks, wtf are you smoking?

There are drawbacks and strengths to each, and as a killer (and occasional driver) of tanks, I see no problems. You may get wtfpwned by flux grenades, but let's be honest; how many people carry those over AV grenades and swarms?

I want to know what YOU are smoking. Armor reps do three times more than shield boosters BECAUSE their pulse interval is 3 seconds vs the one second for shields. The HP repaired attribute is HP/s during each pulse interval, so your armor rep does 414hp every second for three seconds while shield boosters do something like 320 once every three seconds (hell I don't even know the exact number on shield boosters anymore because they are just that bad).

And armor tanks ARE faster. A corpmate of mine tested this with me and they accelerate much faster, then add a nitrous booster and it flies away from my shield tank.

A good Shield tanker can take down any armor tank

Just requires the right fitting and the right tactics

A good Shield tanker can take down any armor tank

Just requires the right fitting and the right tactics

Said the guy who didn't know what he was talking about.

A good Shield tanker can take down any armor tank

Just requires the right fitting and the right tactics

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62956&find=unread

CCP was told what would happen, if damage was taken away. They didn't listen.

A good Shield tanker can take down any armor tank

Just requires the right fitting and the right tactics

With the addition of pilot suits, armor tanks will now become I-Win buttons.

Yup, bc the bonus is larger for the armor tank than the shield tank, as it is a percent-bonus, rather than flat bonus. All the glass cannon in the world wont mean anything as long as the armor tank's tank can out-tank the shield tank's dps. Possibly, replacing the falchion's bonus to missiles with rails could solve this imbalance, but it'd need to be a huge bonus, making shield tanks unstoppable glass cannons. kind of like in chromosome.

Saggy's killed tanks. Suryas killed infantry. It was perfect. We need the old, broken damage skills back to make shield tanks viable, again.

hm.. no blue tags still..

so i ran some numbers and toke a look at the cooldown reduction with active shield hardeners and with a max bonus (50%) i believe that drops the cooldown to 15sec. which is better, better but not great. then i compare that to armor repairers and just went LOL you'll never be able to kill them with never ending reps while shields just become hardened with a lot of focus on modules. and at this point even with the missile bonuses and proto missiles i watch an armor tank not only tank but recover HP as i hit him from the back with my large missile turret. he repaired greater then the damage i could do. so yup when is this going to get fixed ccp. when is the balance coming back to HAVs? how much longer can you ignore this and say it is intended?

What do shield tanks have on, armor tanks now? Seriously, the armor tanks do just as much damage, go just as fast, but take more damage, and have more venue for repairs... Can anyone tell me what advantage shield tanks have now? They used to be kinda balanced, but I can't see why we should spec Shields anymore. >:(

I want to know what YOU are smoking. Armor reps do three times more than shield boosters BECAUSE their pulse interval is 3 seconds vs the one second for shields. The HP repaired attribute is HP/s during each pulse interval, so your armor rep does 414hp every second for three seconds while shield boosters do something like 320 once every three seconds (hell I don't even know the exact number on shield boosters anymore because they are just that bad).

And armor tanks ARE faster. A corpmate of mine tested this with me and they accelerate much faster, then add a nitrous booster and it flies away from my shield tank.