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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:

RINON114 wrote:

Ugh, why do I find myself face to face with unpleasantry all too often on this forum? I have tried flux against every Caldari logisitcs LAV I have ever come across and it has done nothing, even when they are stationary. My experience with HAV's and flux nades has also never been successful, but I haven't had as many opportunities to test it.

Don't call me a troll for telling you my experience with the game, how about you actually look up the term?

As for the weapons that do more damage to armour: You have any form of missiles that do more to armour, swarm launchers, AV grenades, and if the AR is anything to go by, blasters actually do more to armour too. Let's not mention the mass driver or the plasma cannon because they might be one weapon too many over this:

GÇ£You said there are more weapons that do more to armor. That was wrong.GÇ¥

You must attract it with what you post sir.

Shield LLAVs are an issue, but one for another thread. We are talking about HAVs (and dropships fit the bill too really).

I never said what was more effective or had a better time (although it's armor), you said there were more weapons dealing more damage to armor than shield, that was completely, 100%, wrong. Plasma cannon does more to shields and Mass Driver is not an AV weapon. I'm not sure why you bring these two up.

As far as flux grenades not being effective vs Caldari HAVs, please just practice playing the game sir. Your enjoyment will improve if your skill does.


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RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2013.06.09 16:04:00 - [1] - Quote No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 210	Posted - 2013.06.15 07:51:00 - [2] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: RINON114 wrote: No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage. Forges, railguns, Flux Grenades, Orbitals (pending confirmation), blasters all do more to shields. I already mentioned forge guns. Flux grenades do nothing to vehicles (in every instance I have tried) and railguns will not do enough extra damage that you will notice as they already do massive damage to everything anyway. Orbitals will always kill you unless you're quick or on the edge of it. I find the argument against reppers somewhat redundant as shields can tank a lot more HP than armour tanks which allows them more time to react or escape. Given that all other AV does more damage to armour, this is a huge strength for shields.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 210	Posted - 2013.06.15 10:36:00 - [3] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: RINON114 wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: RINON114 wrote: No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage. Forges, railguns, Flux Grenades, Orbitals (pending confirmation), blasters all do more to shields. I already mentioned forge guns. Flux grenades do nothing to vehicles (in every instance I have tried) and railguns will not do enough extra damage that you will notice as they already do massive damage to everything anyway. Orbitals will always kill you unless you're quick or on the edge of it. I find the argument against reppers somewhat redundant as shields can tank a lot more HP than armour tanks which allows them more time to react or escape. Given that all other AV does more damage to armour, this is a huge strength for shields. You said there are more weapons that do more to armor. That was wrong. Flux grenades do nothing to (shield) vehicles? Please move along troll. Hardly anyone in this thread has an argument "against" reppers. We want shield tanks to have a role and armor tanks to have a role. Ugh, why do I find myself face to face with unpleasantry all too often on this forum? I have tried flux against every Caldari logisitcs LAV I have ever come across and it has done nothing, even when they are stationary. My experience with HAV's and flux nades has also never been successful, but I haven't had as many opportunities to test it. Don't call me a troll for telling you my experience with the game, how about you actually look up the term? As for the weapons that do more damage to armour: You have any form of missiles that do more to armour, swarm launchers, AV grenades, and if the AR is anything to go by, blasters actually do more to armour too. Let's not mention the mass driver or the plasma cannon because they might be one weapon too many over this: GÇ£You said there are more weapons that do more to armor. That was wrong.GÇ¥
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 212	Posted - 2013.06.15 15:42:00 - [4] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: RINON114 wrote: Ugh, why do I find myself face to face with unpleasantry all too often on this forum? I have tried flux against every Caldari logisitcs LAV I have ever come across and it has done nothing, even when they are stationary. My experience with HAV's and flux nades has also never been successful, but I haven't had as many opportunities to test it. Don't call me a troll for telling you my experience with the game, how about you actually look up the term? As for the weapons that do more damage to armour: You have any form of missiles that do more to armour, swarm launchers, AV grenades, and if the AR is anything to go by, blasters actually do more to armour too. Let's not mention the mass driver or the plasma cannon because they might be one weapon too many over this: GÇ£You said there are more weapons that do more to armor. That was wrong.GÇ¥ You must attract it with what you post sir. Shield LLAVs are an issue, but one for another thread. We are talking about HAVs (and dropships fit the bill too really). I never said what was more effective or had a better time (although it's armor), you said there were more weapons dealing more damage to armor than shield, that was completely, 100%, wrong. Plasma cannon does more to shields and Mass Driver is not an AV weapon. I'm not sure why you bring these two up. As far as flux grenades not being effective vs Caldari HAVs, please just practice playing the game sir. Your enjoyment will improve if your skill does. Doesn't sound like I'm the one attracting negativity with my posts, I don't see any part where I deserved the responses you've given. I fail to see how I'm 100% wrong on the point that there are more weapons that do damage to armour. Even if there are more AV weapons that do more damage to shields, the proportions are off. Like I said earlier, the only weapon with a noticeable difference in damage to shields is the forge gun with 150% against shields.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 212	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:32:00 - [5] - Quote Yotta Guns wrote: pegasis prime wrote: List of wepons and dammage some one help me with this . 1 forge guns and rail guns dish 109% dammage to shields and 89%-90% dammage to armour as do largeblaster turrets. 2 flux grenades do no dammage to armour and an unmesurable ammount of dammage due to how they work but if 1 fluxgrenade explodes under your gunlogi you will loose a minimun of 1300 shields (tried and tested via syncing up in faction.) Level1 flux. 3 plasma cannons I believe do 109% dammage to shields and 89% dammage to armour. 4 av nades are 90% effective against shields and 129% effectice against armour as are any missiles. As you can see there is more weponry avaliable for taking down shields opposed to armour . Edited for correction of dammage for the plasma cannon thanks ladwar. Just quoting a good post. I like how the three main weapons for taking down armour are consolidated into just one point. Missiles (turrets and installations) do an incredible amount to armour. Swarm launchers also do much more to armour. The example I'm looking at is still AV grenades with a massive 40% difference between shield and armour damage, where the tow main killers have to add their differences to get the same. Seems very balanced to me. The only part where you really have a point is with flux grenades, but you're forgetting AV grenades again as they still do an astonishing amount to armour. You can solo an armour tank using AV grenades alone, you can't do this using flux grenades, you said so yourself: - GÇ£flux grenades do no dammage to armourGÇ¥ This means you either have to carry another AV weapon to take down that Gunnlogi, or a mass driver which can be fairly effective against vehicles (and infantry once fixed). Seems balanced to me.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 212	Posted - 2013.06.16 01:34:00 - [6] - Quote Yotta Guns wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: RINON114 wrote: No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage. Forges, railguns, Flux Grenades, Orbitals (pending confirmation), blasters all do more to shields. A proto assault forge can solo a well fit gunnlogi before it can even try to retreat... Not cool. If it can solo the Gunnlogi, I'm fairly certain it would have no problem vs any other armour tank.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 214	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Whatever chaps, I'm sure with the excellent attitudes displayed in this thread you're sure to get a positive response... For those saying armour reps are 3x as strong as shield, I honestly don't understand what you're talking about. The hp repaired by armour reps is 3x that of a shield booster, but armour reps have a pulse interval of 3.0 secs, where shield boosters have a pulse of 1.0 secs. Am I missing something? As for armour tanks being faster than shield tanks, wtf are you smoking? There are drawbacks and strengths to each, and as a killer (and occasional driver) of tanks, I see no problems. You may get wtfpwned by flux grenades, but let's be honest; how many people carry those over AV grenades and swarms?
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 294	Posted - 2013.07.19 04:34:00 - [8] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: Armoured H.A.V.s are simply a lot better than shield tanks in everything making [shield] tanks useless. CCP needs to balance/fix it. End. Of. Story. Stop trolling, in other words... Disagree entirely. Shield reppers might not give as much hp back to you but you also have the advantage of a massive strength against the majority of AV weapons. There is at least a 40% disparity between the damage dealt by swarm launchers and AV grenades between armour and shield, yet the supposed anti shield weapons (rails and forge guns) only have a 20% difference and they aren't half as common. You can't even rely on flux grenades to take put a shield tank, as they do roughly the same damage to shields as AV grenades do to armour (without the bonus) AND you can't kill a shield tank using flux alone. Counter all of my points above and I will personally make a request to CCP in written letter, asking that they improve shield tanks.