Oh and a rail bonus would make shield tanks op. And to point out offered you advice regarding accelerated missiles veing a good counter for armour tanks but you dont want to specilise so when you ignore a provided counter you just make your argument look like QQ.

We would end out going back to the days when all we saw was red line rail sniping shield tanks. Rails are powerfull enough now (last build I could 2 shott bolasis now its 3 shotts with my caldari glass cannon) .Ccp obioisly intended for caldari to be missile tanks and gallente to be blaster tanks(my caldari enforcer can 3 shot a bolas and 2-3 shott most armout tank builds) . If you prefer high dammage and range then wait for the ammar hav to be introduced do I hear the words lazzer turrets

We would end out going back to the days when all we saw was red line rail sniping shield tanks. Rails are powerfull enough now (last build I could 2 shott bolasis now its 3 shotts with my caldari glass cannon) .Ccp obioisly intended for caldari to be missile tanks and gallente to be blaster tanks(my caldari enforcer can 3 shot a bolas and 2-3 shott most armout tank builds) . If you prefer high dammage and range then wait for the ammar hav to be introduced do I hear the words lazzer turrets

Lying. Straight up lying.


No missile tank 3 shots a Madrugar. This is FICTION.

EDIT: Wait are you trying to say that a rail tank 2 or 3 shots Madrugars? Even worse fiction.

Laser turrets would be useless against armor which is the issue already.


Please go away and come back when you have something besides lies and misinformation.

This is no lye my fully maxed enforcer equiped with accelerated missiles and a 10% dammage modd eats throught armour with nearly 4000 hp per volly. No fiction do the math before you accuse someone of lying .


Fully maxed out on missile skills and enforcer you have an extra 30% base dammage so each missile has 507 base dammage add the 30% and each missile now dose 659 with 4 missiles oer volly you have 2636 hp dammage per shot but with the missiles doing 129% dammage to armour we have now a base dammage of 3400hp per volly if you add a 10% dammage mod then you hit with 3740 hp per volly .

As I and yourself have pointed out reps and resist re the key to an armour tanks survival bit as I said I have been 3 shotting madrugers 2 shotts when iv got the drop on them . Allot of tank v tank comes down to pilot skill and awareness. I havent had problems with my builds and lets face it there is allot of weekend tankers out there.

I woildent say all the pilots I melt arw un skilled it also helps that I run with a squad 90% of the time and have someone at least calling out tank and enimy positions constantly. Iv found the more aggressive my attack style is tge better off I tend to fair. As I said getting the drop on an enimy tank is half the vattle won.

Ehem I never said anything about my squad carrying av norm 1 sniper and 1 gunner at least bit not norm av dont put worda in my mouth to validate your point. If you cant take out srmour tanks with your missiles your doing it wrong plain and simple so take your self righteous smugness and shove it.

While the armor rep is active, it can almost negate any damage missiles deal, while a shield booster can't negate even half of the damage a blaster can output.

Stop trying to claim that shield tanking is balanced and its all about tactics... because its not. Armor tanks DO shine over shield tanks in everything. Like Eurydice said, they have better acceleration, more eHP, and better repping ability.

Shield tanks are clearly underpowered. It's not about how you use them. End of discussion.

A im not being ignorant I run a fully specked caldari enforcer and a well specked madruger so I can see both sides of the argument. With the reacent nerfs to shield tanks iv had to really adapt my battlefirleld stratagem when I run shield whic is 99% of the time. I rarly loose my tanks to other tanks and mostly to proto av . Also I never denied shield tanks needing a buff I just tryed to dish some advice that might have helped if you wernt stuck in the woe betide me attitude . So to summerise improvise adapt and overcome if not then die.

While the armor rep is active, it can almost negate any damage missiles deal, while a shield booster can't negate even half of the damage a blaster can output.

Stop trying to claim that shield tanking is balanced and its all about tactics... because its not. Armor tanks DO shine over shield tanks in everything. Like Eurydice said, they have better acceleration, more eHP, and better repping ability.

Shield tanks are clearly underpowered. It's not about how you use them. End of discussion.

Id say the 30% is fine it just dosent run long enough 10s is nothing when you have a 30second cooldown. Id say 30% dammage reduction for 30 seconds and a 30second cool down that would make running 2 viable .

Balance them against armor tanks, since shield doesn't get the crazy reps that armor does, keep it at 30% 60 second active 10 second cooldown (or whatever numbers for active and cool down are the same for shields.)

But the main think is what CCP wants to do, personally I felt the setup we have now was balanced for the damage output we had in the previous build. If CCP wants to balance with damage we just need a rollback to the mechanics of last build. If CCP wants to balance using tank, then we need a complete rework of the modules associated with tanking.

No Dev comments here yet.....

It's like they don't care about us vehicle drivers

shield tanks still have the advantage when it comes to getting attacked by AV... the only things that do more damage to shield tanks than armor tanks are flux and orbitals everything else does the same or greater damage to armor

No Dev comments here yet.....

It's like they don't care about us vehicle drivers

shield tanks still have the advantage when it comes to getting attacked by AV... the only things that do more damage to shield tanks than armor tanks are flux and orbitals everything else does the same or greater damage to armor