Yeah it's pretty bad that they include multiple types of tanking for dropsuits and vehicles, then make one clearly superior to the other in both instances.

What's the point of options if one option is so blatantly inferior to the other?

I actually just went ahead and bought my way back into Gallente tanks. It does suck feeling like I have "wasted" so much SP, but hopefully they will balance some things out later, and I can get some use out of the shield tank. It really does do better against explosives which helps. Might have to just be a bit situational.

Than again, being in armor again last night I kinda realized that it almost doesn't matter so long as I can turn on my repper and get ALL MY FRIGGIN HP BACK. Having played shields all month, and going back to armor is really making me see the HUGE difference.

Unless we get 1 more magical respec, I'll just deal with all the SP in shields. I like driving a caldari death taxi every now and then anyway. :)

How deep are you into Caldari?

I dunno if I could just start dumping points into armor and not feel under powered. I suppose I've got proto hybrid which is good and I've got the core skills to 5, just no points into armor skills at all.

No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage.

Forges, railguns, Flux Grenades, Orbitals (pending confirmation), blasters all do more to shields.

List of wepons and dammage some one help me with this .

1 forge guns and rail guns dish 109% dammage to shields and 89%-90% dammage to armour as do largeblaster turrets.

2 flux grenades do no dammage to armour and an unmesurable ammount of dammage due to how they work but if 1 fluxgrenade explodes under your gunlogi you will loose a minimun of 1300 shields (tried and tested via syncing up in faction.) Level1 flux.

3 plasma cannons I believe do 109% dammage to shields and 89% dammage to armour.

4 av nades are 90% effective against shields and 129% effectice against armour as are any missiles.

As you can see there is more weponry avaliable for taking down shields opposed to armour .

Edited for correction of dammage for the plasma cannon thanks ladwar.

Yeah, I continue to support some balancing here. I actually saw an armor tank straight up ignore 2 guys shooting missiles at it today. He drove off when I became the third, but not until I hit him with 5 salvos, and the other two guys kept chasing it too. Now maybe they were using militia launchers, but I have some skill points sunk into an anti-armor fitting which includes advanced launcher and damage mods. A tank should not be able to so thoroughly god-mode its way around the field. Granted, I am sure it was a very expensive tank, but that's a LOT of attention, and it was fun watching 15 missiles rushing into it....

..but it would have been more fun if it just died.

These stats are the totall armour and shield of a naked fit . Even with shield extenders a shield tank that gets into armour is dead so we have much much lower ehp.

A good Shield tanker can take down any armor tank

Just requires the right fitting and the right tactics

hm.. no blue tags still..

so i ran some numbers and toke a look at the cooldown reduction with active shield hardeners and with a max bonus (50%) i believe that drops the cooldown to 15sec. which is better, better but not great. then i compare that to armor repairers and just went LOL you'll never be able to kill them with never ending reps while shields just become hardened with a lot of focus on modules. and at this point even with the missile bonuses and proto missiles i watch an armor tank not only tank but recover HP as i hit him from the back with my large missile turret. he repaired greater then the damage i could do. so yup when is this going to get fixed ccp. when is the balance coming back to HAVs? how much longer can you ignore this and say it is intended?

CCP, please buff shield modules! With the upcoming pilot suits, armor will now almost permarun it's active hardeners. WTF

I demand 60% resist to the surges and my boosters doing 5000 shield in 5s. That is all

They Need to make passive shield tanking viable so caldari ttankers could stop whining. Then make boosters do ~4k HP in 5 seconds for the Clarity Heavy ones. scale down for other versions. That'll make Winmatar HAV's good too. Really, if you're a Caldari HAV, and you are anywhere near the front lines (although doable), you're just doing it wrong. Caldari are the snipers of New Eden. Use them right, take that Blaster off and put on a Missile or Rail turret and get supporting.


Peace, Aizen

That's not quite accurate; we'd have to test it with the Vayu against the Gunnlogi to get a proper spread of data.

I would just like to point out, while I agree that shield tanks need a buff, that there might be more individual weapon types that deal more damage to shields, but one is far more likely to encounter those that deal bonus damage to armour, simply because of a: AV grenades don't take up a weapon slot b: swarms fit on medium suits and c: plasma cannons are gimped.

The only thing CCP has done right is giving the (sort of) right idea on what weaknesses and strengths are for armor and shields. But have they implemented them correctly? I think not.

still...