This seems to be the order of things

Armour blaster beats shield blaster.

Shield missile beats armour blaster.

Shield rail beats armour blaster.

Shield missile beats armour missile

Armour rail beats everything

There is expeptions to these general rules but they are normaly determind by pilot skill rather than just their tank.

We would end out going back to the days when all we saw was red line rail sniping shield tanks. Rails are powerfull enough now (last build I could 2 shott bolasis now its 3 shotts with my caldari glass cannon) .Ccp obioisly intended for caldari to be missile tanks and gallente to be blaster tanks(my caldari enforcer can 3 shot a bolas and 2-3 shott most armout tank builds) . If you prefer high dammage and range then wait for the ammar hav to be introduced do I hear the words lazzer turrets

This is no lye my fully maxed enforcer equiped with accelerated missiles and a 10% dammage modd eats throught armour with nearly 4000 hp per volly. No fiction do the math before you accuse someone of lying .


Fully maxed out on missile skills and enforcer you have an extra 30% base dammage so each missile has 507 base dammage add the 30% and each missile now dose 659 with 4 missiles oer volly you have 2636 hp dammage per shot but with the missiles doing 129% dammage to armour we have now a base dammage of 3400hp per volly if you add a 10% dammage mod then you hit with 3740 hp per volly .

I woildent say all the pilots I melt arw un skilled it also helps that I run with a squad 90% of the time and have someone at least calling out tank and enimy positions constantly. Iv found the more aggressive my attack style is tge better off I tend to fair. As I said getting the drop on an enimy tank is half the vattle won.

shield tanks still have the advantage when it comes to getting attacked by AV... the only things that do more damage to shield tanks than armor tanks are flux and orbitals everything else does the same or greater damage to armor

this is getting annoying. just so it is out there
weapos/turrets that do 100% on both is forge guns, railguns, and orbitals (warbarge ones)(thats3 for people counting)
ones that are more effective on armor are AV grenades, swarm launchers and missile turrets(that's 3 for people counting)
ones that are more effective on shields are flux, plasma cannon and blaster turrets(that's also 3 for people counting)
so everyone can see there are 3 for each.
this does not count small arms fire because that's an infantry thing to worry about but I can add them if people want to argue over them.

I stand corrected. rails do more to shields then armor, that needs to be fixed. this also effects forge guns. this needs to be fixed ASAP CCP.

I switched from Armor tanking to Shield tanking with the respec, and now have buyers remorse for the most part. I did this so that I could have more survivability against infantry. I do for the most part unless someone comes out with plasma cannon, forge gun, flux grenades. Then I drop extremely fast.

The resistance against explosives is nice though as most infantry use that. It does really suck though that if I see any armor tank hit the field, I have to try to run and flank them just to have a chance, or I have to put the dam thing away.

If I see a shield tank hit the field though.... I'm not nearly as scared. I can normally destroy a fellow shield tanker no problem.

After a while of trying to tinker with fittings and such to find something more efficient for me, in the end I feel like there really is only 1 way to go in shield tank to have any edge at all, as passive tanking is barely viable, and even active tanking I only get half my shields back, then have to sit around like an idiot behind a rock praying someone doesn't find me.

I agree with the majority of the people that say Armor > Shield tanks, and I normally don't like to choose sides in discussions like this.

something.. I surprised that no dev has posted anything, guess they think its balanced then..

I actually just went ahead and bought my way back into Gallente tanks. It does suck feeling like I have "wasted" so much SP, but hopefully they will balance some things out later, and I can get some use out of the shield tank. It really does do better against explosives which helps. Might have to just be a bit situational.

Than again, being in armor again last night I kinda realized that it almost doesn't matter so long as I can turn on my repper and get ALL MY FRIGGIN HP BACK. Having played shields all month, and going back to armor is really making me see the HUGE difference.

Unless we get 1 more magical respec, I'll just deal with all the SP in shields. I like driving a caldari death taxi every now and then anyway. :)

I'm pretty deep myself .. When the launch came, I didn't think at all that they'd change anything about the balance of tanks cause there didn't seem to be anything wrong with em i'm the last build (as far as balance went anyway. :/ )

No time to read the whole thing but just my two cents: Shield may not be GÇ£as good asGÇ¥ armour, but almost all AV weapons are better against armour, the exception being the forge gun (who even uses those?) which I believe only does marginally better damage.

I already mentioned forge guns.

Flux grenades do nothing to vehicles (in every instance I have tried) and railguns will not do enough extra damage that you will notice as they already do massive damage to everything anyway.

Orbitals will always kill you unless you're quick or on the edge of it.

I find the argument against reppers somewhat redundant as shields can tank a lot more HP than armour tanks which allows them more time to react or escape. Given that all other AV does more damage to armour, this is a huge strength for shields.

Ugh, why do I find myself face to face with unpleasantry all too often on this forum? I have tried flux against every Caldari logisitcs LAV I have ever come across and it has done nothing, even when they are stationary. My experience with HAV's and flux nades has also never been successful, but I haven't had as many opportunities to test it.

Don't call me a troll for telling you my experience with the game, how about you actually look up the term?

As for the weapons that do more damage to armour: You have any form of missiles that do more to armour, swarm launchers, AV grenades, and if the AR is anything to go by, blasters actually do more to armour too. Let's not mention the mass driver or the plasma cannon because they might be one weapon too many over this:

GÇ£You said there are more weapons that do more to armor. That was wrong.GÇ¥

If it can solo the Gunnlogi, I'm fairly certain it would have no problem vs any other armour tank.

I like how the three main weapons for taking down armour are consolidated into just one point. Missiles (turrets and installations) do an incredible amount to armour. Swarm launchers also do much more to armour.

The example I'm looking at is still AV grenades with a massive 40% difference between shield and armour damage, where the tow main killers have to add their differences to get the same. Seems very balanced to me.

The only part where you really have a point is with flux grenades, but you're forgetting AV grenades again as they still do an astonishing amount to armour. You can solo an armour tank using AV grenades alone, you can't do this using flux grenades, you said so yourself:

- GÇ£flux grenades do no dammage to armourGÇ¥

This means you either have to carry another AV weapon to take down that Gunnlogi, or a mass driver which can be fairly effective against vehicles (and infantry once fixed). Seems balanced to me.

Yeah, I continue to support some balancing here. I actually saw an armor tank straight up ignore 2 guys shooting missiles at it today. He drove off when I became the third, but not until I hit him with 5 salvos, and the other two guys kept chasing it too. Now maybe they were using militia launchers, but I have some skill points sunk into an anti-armor fitting which includes advanced launcher and damage mods. A tank should not be able to so thoroughly god-mode its way around the field. Granted, I am sure it was a very expensive tank, but that's a LOT of attention, and it was fun watching 15 missiles rushing into it....

..but it would have been more fun if it just died.