DUST Search - What exactly is the purpose/point of the HMG?

THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Imp Smash wrote:

Honestly I'm cool with heavies being point defense.

Honestly I don't think they are.

Heavies HMGs are simply not as powerful as ARs at any range. The HMG accuracy is still a real problem imo.

Fully tightened, the HMG is actually too accurate. As in the circle you see? Thats not where the bullets are going. The tiny dot in the center is.

Which means if you are spraying, you'll hit nothing. You need to absolutely hold the dot on the enemy the whole time to do damage. Like a laser rifle that has kickback. Except of course, when you're moving, then the bullets fly wherever the hell they damn well please.

What might actually help in CQC would be if the HMG had an overall wider spread, lower RoF and higher damage per shot. You could afford to have **** accuracy in that case and just spray. Be guaranteed to hit something.

Your so wrong if you stand still spray and dont aim you will not hit anything you have yo burts fire andstraff being aheavy is harder then any other because you are so slow


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Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 687	Posted - 2013.06.24 14:50:00 - [1] - Quote I don't buy this suppression line at all, honestly. It only looks like it has a lot of ammo on paper. You burn through it fast thanks to that RoF. And then you don't have your own nanohives to replace it. Who in their right mind is gonna bother "suppressing" a hallway, just so they can run out of ammo and then get caught with their pants down as they attempt to reload for the next 8 seconds? Right...
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 689	Posted - 2013.06.25 10:29:00 - [2] - Quote You sacrifice speed, equipment, a smaller hitbox and generally one or two power slots so that you can hold a superior weapon. It is because of these reasons that the HMG has no business being "balanced". It should be "better", period. The idea that is has to lower its standards to fit into some sort of rock paper scissors formula is a slap to the face. You already sacrifice more than enough for the privilege of even handling the weapon. It should deliver superior results to a gimpy little assault rifle in pretty much every capacity -- including range.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 690	Posted - 2013.06.25 12:32:00 - [3] - Quote Let's go with the range argument for now then. Why is the HMG a flame thrower, and not an HMG? CCP designed it to be "different" than the usual HMG in that it is a CQC weapon, yet they have structured it in a way that does not compliment this function at all. Heavies are too slow to dictate range, yet their success depends on it. Too slow to turn, yet again, their success in CQC depends on it. Reloading is also too slow to be effective in a lone-wolf point defense situation, yet this is what they are supposedly designed for. The entire concept is full of contradictions. It doesn't work. At least, not when your opponent is worth a damn.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 706	Posted - 2013.06.27 16:20:00 - [4] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Honestly I'm cool with heavies being point defense. Honestly I don't think they are. Heavies HMGs are simply not as powerful as ARs at any range. The HMG accuracy is still a real problem imo. Fully tightened, the HMG is actually too accurate. As in the circle you see? Thats not where the bullets are going. The tiny dot in the center is. Which means if you are spraying, you'll hit nothing. You need to absolutely hold the dot on the enemy the whole time to do damage. Like a laser rifle that has kickback. Except of course, when you're moving, then the bullets fly wherever the hell they damn well please. What might actually help in CQC would be if the HMG had an overall wider spread, lower RoF and higher damage per shot. You could afford to have **** accuracy in that case and just spray. Be guaranteed to hit something.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 709	Posted - 2013.06.28 14:55:00 - [5] - Quote THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Imp Smash wrote: Honestly I'm cool with heavies being point defense. Honestly I don't think they are. Heavies HMGs are simply not as powerful as ARs at any range. The HMG accuracy is still a real problem imo. Fully tightened, the HMG is actually too accurate. As in the circle you see? Thats not where the bullets are going. The tiny dot in the center is. Which means if you are spraying, you'll hit nothing. You need to absolutely hold the dot on the enemy the whole time to do damage. Like a laser rifle that has kickback. Except of course, when you're moving, then the bullets fly wherever the hell they damn well please. What might actually help in CQC would be if the HMG had an overall wider spread, lower RoF and higher damage per shot. You could afford to have **** accuracy in that case and just spray. Be guaranteed to hit something. Your so wrong if you stand still spray and dont aim you will not hit anything you have yo burts fire andstraff being aheavy is harder then any other because you are so slow You can you please rephrase this a manner that actually makes sense?
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 712	Posted - 2013.06.29 05:29:00 - [6] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: Quote: Quote: Your so wrong if you stand still spray and dont aim you will not hit anything you have yo burts fire andstraff being aheavy is harder then any other because you are so slow You can you please rephrase this a manner that actually makes sense? You're so wrong if you stand still spray and dont aim you will not hit anything. you have to burst fire and strafe. Being a heavy is harder then any other because you are so slow Fixed that Grammatically it is sound, however it still does not make sense. If you stand still and spray, your accuracy tightens. If you strafe and burst, your accuracy as actually at its worst due to two negative factors affecting it -- movement and lack of spin. Now he has said that staying still, spraying, AND not aiming will make you miss, and thats true. Doing anything and not aiming is liable to make you miss, with any weapon. Kind of important to aim, or at least try to. However that is not combative of my previous statements, so we will remove the "not aim" part from his statement and try again. Now he has said that staying still and spraying will make you miss. Which actually supports my argument from earlier, because as I said, the accuracy becomes too good and the lack of spread means you require perfect precision aim in a close-range tracking environment. Or you require perfect precision aim at a farther range without the ability to truly zoom in. Either way, its a rough task. He then goes on to mention that strafe and bursting, the two negative factors, increases overall spread. That's true, it does. And it IS the key to winning in close range fights most of the time. So basically everything he's said is correct, unfortunately, it also means I am not wrong. The spread is what is winning him the fight, ergo, it proves everything I said was correct about the weapon being too accurate. So essentially, everything he said can be broken down to "Hey man you're wrong, so here's a bunch of reasons that you're right". Understand now? It makes no sense.