HTFU and welcome to New Eden.

Kick everyone out of the main PC corp leave only your trusted squad leaders, get one of your directors to make a isk transfer alt and setup an secondary 'Grunt' Corp.

Use the secondary corp to pull invites from. Keep roster of folks in second corp track their behavior and performance and trust levels. People in the PC squad leader corp will be the only ones able to pull folks from the grunt corp into planetary conquest since grunt corp will not be on the map at all.

Its pretty simple stupid, prevent random squads of strangers at least, unless you are really bad at recruiting you shouldn't get more than 3 turn coats and if you keep filtering them out that should all go away.

mmmm so being a CPM member you'r not allowed to play the game to it's full and use all the advantages you got ??

Also CPM0 is only there to really to make up a way so that the next CPM can be player elected and not elected by CCP. Everything they do other than that i guess is pretty much because they like the game and really wants it balanced and fun for all.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

haha AWOXing cracks me up.

btw, where does the term "AWOX" come from. i fear it's something plainly obvious that i am unable to see. can anyone enlighten me?

dude... lol

This is New Eden.

There are asshats, griefers, team killers and otherwise slimy individuals. There is no honor except for the ones the community or you decide and even they only exist in opinions. I have no doubts that what i did was going to happen (hell it sorta allready did once!) but its not a big deal so long as you play smart and understand that not everyone will play fair.

How is using spies any less cheap than using tac ARs and other OP equiptment?

the answer?

its all subjetive.

We all have the same tools at our disposal, its up to us on how to use it.

CPM is supposed to be the voice of the community, and I doubt anyone in the community legitimately believes that the current system will help the dust community thrive.. Sure some people might find it funny now, but after several months the joke will get old and PC will become the new joke.

HTFU and post on your main.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

dude... lol

This is New Eden.

There are asshats, griefers, team killers and otherwise slimy individuals. There is no honor except for the ones the community or you decide and even they only exist in opinions. I have no doubts that what i did was going to happen (hell it sorta allready did once!) but its not a big deal so long as you play smart and understand that not everyone will play fair.

How is using spies any less cheap than using tac ARs and other OP equiptment?

the answer?

its all subjetive.

We all have the same tools at our disposal, its up to us on how to use it.

I am very confused but yes I accept this position thank you !

be condescending, yeah, that'll win 'em over.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

I understand the New Eden metagame just as you must understand that the abuse of this mechanic will turn PC into a joke. This mechanic stays and soon we will be happy when 1k people are online. PC is the reason I've stayed in Dust for a year, I'm not going to sit on the sidelines while the CPM advocates for tactics that will lead to PC being 4 people in an MCC cooking grenades on themselves. You might be content to want PC play out this way, but 90% of the community won't be. Some might find it funny now, but in the end the moment they start having to restart their PS3 several times a day for months on end to switch between alts in their main and holding corporation because of weak corporation control systems I don't think many people will be left laughing.

I defended your initial selection to the CPM Jenza because I thought I knew you had to games success at heart. I don't do this for personal vendettas. I want PC to be long running, however the abuse of the lack of corporation battle tools threatens the validity of it. You can do it for the lulz now, but in 6 months you may find yourself laughing alone in a giant blue dounut and no one to fight.

Dude, it's just "awoxing". There are no capitals in it. Also, it has a long history in New Eden and you won't find anyone that knows anything about the themes of both games that would disagree that the meta game is at least half the game. This is a sandbox. How the game goes is up to you, and you alone. Be careful who you choose as allies.

The guy was calling for CPM members to be fired for practicing a central component of New Eden culture. What can you do with someone like that but condescend to them?

That's not a "tool". That's an incredibly clumsy work around to a broken and poorly thought out system. While it will work in the short term, is a CPM really suggesting that's an acceptable system? Make every corporation with aspirations to participate in PC create multiple corps, alts for every officer, and additional in-game chat and communication channels as an ass-backwards way to create member access rights? Hell CCP should want to avoid such a system simply to save on server resources. Take off your fanboy glasses, they're not an actual requirement of being a CPM member. Clumsy annoyances for the sake of clumsy annoyances isn't "meta", it's just a clumsy annoyance.

Ok no really, having representitives that behave so poorly and misrepresent the community is dispicable. Besides the fact that what they do displays a great level of cowardice, not to mention displays their superlative weakness to direct conflict, it also shows that this game supports the abuse of power that CCP has themselves practiced many times.

The community is immature, as is the governing power and the few representitives chosen to represent the community to the governing power. People are allowed to roam free, run their mouths and do as they wish in new eden as long as CCP developement team and GMs arnt insulted in the process.

Basically, they handed a three year old tools to create life and and a world, and if the three year old throws a tantrum he can get rid of whatever he wants.

EXACTLY!

do you want to know the first thing i did after the match (appart from drinking those sweet forum tears you gave us)

I went to have a chat with CPM and CCP and had a discussion on what there is to be done.

I care about this game dude, even if you cant see it. How can I as a CPM know how to fix the game if i dont know how much its broken. Is it even broken? i dont have an answer for that yet. Some would say that its partly down to a silly director just accepting an application with no background check less than 5 hours before a corp match. These things are being talked to about CCP and i am also working on it. So you saying that we should be kicked because you got your nickers in a twist is just silly and unfair.

also id like clarification on some things?

1) what issues are there to be raised from having 2 CPMs from the same corp (ignoring the fact that IWS is no longer with us)
2) does is this also an issue that we have 2 CPMs in the same alliance and 3 in a coalition? again, explain it to me.
3) seeing as two thirds of the CPM where where in the same corp at one point is this also an issue? moar explain pls.

*hands a tin foil hat*

the fact of the matter is that if you think being on the CPM will give our corps/alliances some sort of advantage then you are massivly overestimating the powers that we as CPM hold.

We want to make the game better and successful. so a CCP appointed CPM doing anything in his or her position for personal gain is very very bad and would mostly end in shitstorm.

How can one expect to understand something without first partaking? I'm perfectly fine with the CPM or their corps having first hand experience with how ridiculously easy it is to awox someone. Partly because it will probably result in the faster development of better corp management tools than if the CPM were all little goody two-shoes and stayed out of it, and partly because this is New Eden - where if you're not playing dirty, you're not doing it right.

All while advocating the tactic on the forums mascarading it as a legitimate meta game and not just an exploit that will ruin PC. Believe it or not that CPM next to your name on every post means something.

All while advocating the tactic on the forums mascarading it as a legitimate meta game and not just an exploit that will ruin PC. Believe it or not that CPM next to your name on every post means something.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

You can't be serious. Welcome to New Eden, I see there's a rocky road ahead of you.

dude... lol

This is New Eden.

There are asshats, griefers, team killers and otherwise slimy individuals. There is no honor except for the ones the community or you decide and even they only exist in opinions. I have no doubts that what i did was going to happen (hell it sorta allready did once!) but its not a big deal so long as you play smart and understand that not everyone will play fair.

How is using spies any less cheap than using tac ARs and other OP equiptment?

the answer?

its all subjetive.

We all have the same tools at our disposal, its up to us on how to use it.

Nobody suggested it was acceptable... perhaps read the thread. It was suggested that there is a way to deal with it right now not that it was ideal or that nothing else was needed.

If you get to call people fanboys then perhaps take off your haterz glasses so you see what is actually being said.

oh good im so glad beta max is owning up to their spying style instead of continuing to point the finger at negative-feedback.

While I understand and agree with he process of seeing just how broken something is before changing it, the immaturity of the CPM here leaves much to be desired.


I'm not quite sure how it is on eve, but can I expect the whole of cpm to be filled with douchebag CEOs?

If so I really hope their influence is nil. The idea of having a bunch of random ass people only elected due to corp/alliance structure be appointed community advocates rather than just having devs actually engage and be a part of the community seems inefficient, and ill suited to a console gamer base in general.

EVERYONE has spies. If you don't, you're playing the game wrong.

All while advocating the tactic on the forums mascarading it as a legitimate meta game and not just an exploit that will ruin PC. Believe it or not that CPM next to your name on every post means something.

Awoxing is not an exploit, and it never has been in all the years of EVE's and New Eden's existence.

Holy **** guys. Can you whine more about how CCP actually intended this game to be?

CCP has gone ON RECORD as saying you will be able to betray your corporation or your employers at will. We are called MERCENARIES for a reason. Spies are part of the game, and are working as intended. USE YOUR KITTENING BRAINS AND THINK OF SAFETY MEASURES.

This isn't meant to be a game where hands are held, where you can start doing PC and do a few corp battles here and there without a care in the world. It's a game of backstabbing and strategy. The best corps can be taken down by one saboteur, if they don't have any safety measures. I would say that the Imps are susceptible, but knowing them, they probably already have a few safety measures in place.

Jenza did the dirty with a member of CCP to get on CPM. She then got CCP/CPM only info and used it to benefit her corp/alliance.

Holy **** guys. Can you whine more about how CCP actually intended this game to be?

CCP has gone ON RECORD as saying you will be able to betray your corporation or your employers at will. We are called MERCENARIES for a reason. Spies are part of the game, and are working as intended. USE YOUR KITTENING BRAINS AND THINK OF SAFETY MEASURES.

This isn't meant to be a game where hands are held, where you can start doing PC and do a few corp battles here and there without a care in the world. It's a game of backstabbing and strategy. The best corps can be taken down by one saboteur, if they don't have any safety measures. I would say that the Imps are susceptible, but knowing them, they probably already have a few safety measures in place.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid.

Awoxing is not an exploit, and it never has been in all the years of EVE's and New Eden's existence.

to me this sounds like a whole bunch of EoN bitches mad because cronos is stomping them the **** out of PC. HTFU bitches. maybe if you stayed off the forums a bit and on the game more? youd actually hold more land. what's poppin? are your slaves starving? well too ******* bad. this is NEW EDEN not call of duty. where shoooting is only a miniscule percentage of this game.


when i first started this game many moons ago, a wise man once told me, "only 10% of this game is won on the battlefield, the other 90% is played through the comms and deceit."

if you think CCP's going to listen to this garbage? may i point you to one very amusing link. -->LAUGHING IN YOUR FACE

and what did CCP do about it?... nothing. so you think they are REALLY going to listen to this trash? think again dude. stop QQing and HTFU, thought you were better than this deluxe. only the strong survive, and brain wins over brawn anyday.

now leave my jenzi alone before i smack the taste out your mouth. she hasnt hurt anybody. but i will make her nova knife you right up the butt ;) and to furthermore dilute your argument, ironwolf saber isnt even in betamax. and im sure that ALL of CPM and everyone not in EoN in general finds this **** funny as ****. because i have told EVERYBODY and they all laugh their asses off at how stupid EoN truly is.

you mad because LOI took all of your good people bro? you guys have been getting the short end of the stick all week huh? its ok, maybe if you ask nicely jenza will bake you some nice cookies, maybe even with no cyanide! :P

"Jenza did the dirty with a member of CCP "


interesting... i think you actually just leaned in to the world of "liable".


might be wrong, but...

Peace
B

Lol this is all I hear in this incoherant rant.... http://youtu.be/kHmvkRoEowc

To bad you guys have been getting stomped in PC battles.

Tell me does every spy in new eden have the ability to at anytime to flip sov from the alliance without the alliance knowing who the spy is from the action, and unless they find out who the spy is can never engage the enemy in a fight?

lol i dont know where your getting your info from, at least unlinke you biitches we dont use ringers, and everyone on our side reads "BETAMAX" and BTW EoN whos already lost countless districts, last time i checked? we havent lost any.

You know the whole "team" aspect of the game? That's another player picking up the slack you leave behind, that's "hand holding"

Let me remind you that she is a CPM member:

countless? try 1 which will be rectified shortly. Betamax can enjoy themselved deep in the middle of their blue doughnut. I look forward to pillaging your planets after where done clearing orion out of our systems.

deluxe, dude... what happened to you... you never used to be into this whole shittalking thing?

This isn't about **** talking. I was just correcting rampage on his way off information. This post is about keeping PC relevant. As a CPM I expected publicly you would be lobbying CCP towards a fix to the obviously broken mechanic. Instead you and your alliance has been the leaders in it's abuse.

If you read my initial post you will see their is none of that, only a plea for the CPM to do their job and light a fire under CCP to fix this issue. Otherwise PC is going to be dead on arrival, especially if we go by Iron Wolf's estimate of a fix in 3 months!

Either do your job as a CPM and publicly take a stance against the mechanic which undermines all of PC, or step down and let someone who is concerned about the well being of the game takes over. New Eden citizens love to point out how much they love the meta-game, however to claim this to be some ingenious EvE level super spy stuff is fooling yourself. It's a broken mechanic that is being abused and then justified by say "Well it is New Eden".

I expected more from you Jenza.

Tell me does every spy in new eden have the ability to at anytime to flip sov from the alliance without the alliance knowing who the spy is from the action, and unless they find out who the spy is can never engage the enemy in a fight?

obviously broken mechanic.

Does every EVE alliance provide free entry into their holding corporation when any chucklefuck applies?

The answer is no. DUST players haven't figured that out yet.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

I don't care if they are in the same corp or not, they freakin don't do their job. A lot of tankers for example are talking to Kain Spero and at least he understands and collect opinions. These two just sit on their @sses and troll forums.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

lmfao. i get that your mad for not being the talk of PC, and that you hold little to no districts, but to attack someones demeanor and try to get them removed from a job they do for free and out of the goodness of their heart, your ****** up bro.

Ive seen how busy she gets OVER A VIDEO GAME.. and she does it because she loves the game. and the endless ******* rambles she has to take from you losers? **** you guys man. all of EoN. you have no idea how many hours she has to put in running a corp and doing all this **** for CPM. and on top of that she has to hear every ******* idiotic complaint you guys can think of? **** off and enjoy the game. stop being a *****. deluxe, your inflamed vagina is showing.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

isnt your CEO in CPM too? the imperfects? basically the most corrupt motherfuckers in this game. period. you guys should really be the ones talking about standards.

The tactic is valid. The use of it in this circumstance was absolutely legit.

Your whining sickens me.

Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly APPROVE this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

Did you really just imply that I have ANY relations to the imperfects? You really have no clue what your talking about do you.

You hold a lot of districs ONLY because you where the first ones to claim them on PC launch day. Wait till you actually have to start defending them.

Did you really just imply that I have ANY relations to the imperfects? You really have no clue what your talking about do you.

You hold a lot of districs ONLY because you where the first ones to claim them on PC launch day. Wait till you actually have to start defending them.

Fixed for you.

I don't remember lighting the white knight beacon. Is Jenza really that emotionally frail? (I actually know the answer, wondering if you do).

We all have the same tools at our disposal, its up to us on how to use it.

Wait, so last night meant NOTHING to you! ='(

The tactic is valid. The mechanics are broken. The efficacy to effort ratio is obscene. So much so that it makes the "gun game" unimportant as soon as it's on the table en-masse. I don't hate the warriors for their red line lav repping, but that doesn't make me think they weren't tools for continuing to do it after the issue hit the limelight.

she doesnt need me to defend her, i volunteer as i would for any corp member of any corp that im in ;)

she lifts bro, do you?

I just want to get this straight.

Regardless at how ABSURDLY easy it is to ruin PC battles for a corp - you're going to call that a tool and HTFU over it's use?

You mean after sitting in this dirt for **** game for a year testing it, always hoping for a better future... after suffering through a TERRIBLE expansion filled with the most ridiculous nerfs and changes - I now have to worry that any 2-bit idiot will jump onto his alt right in time to hijack PC and ruin it for everyone? All in the name of some other ******* games meta?

Wow and holyshit. So everytime a terrible mechanic CCP is too dumb to test before releasing is shown it's going to turn into a 'meta' tool.

That's fuckin' great.

I support sabotage - but not when it's this easy to do.

I feel the same way about Jenza's support for AFK

You won't find a single AFKer who doesn't think AFK farming shouldn't be removed somehow. Even Jenza thinks it should be removed.

To hand-holdy for me. And you analogy breaks so quickly it's laughable.

This is a mechanic on the social side of the game. It manifests as a consequence of decisions you make regarding trust. Do you really want DUST to be a game that babysits you in a way that protects you from bad decisions concerning people? I sure as hell don't. I'm sure what we both want is a mechanic to kick players, which CCP has already spoken to and last i heard there was a role on the way to accommodate this.

To compare it with a broken warpoint mechanic is ridiculous and possibly disingenuous. It's like comparing cultural evolution to rocks falling. Flat out ridiculous.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

the obviously broken mechanic.

uh.
this is eve.
i think this might have be the only time this phrase has EVER been used correctly on the 514 forums, but....
"harden the **** up"

uh.
this is eve.
i think this might have be the only time this phrase has EVER been used correctly on the 514 forums, but....
"harden the **** up"

On the one hand...whatever...when required the "holding corp" nonsense will be implemented and we'll move out and draw fire.

That being said, this takes me back to the whole player formulated workaround concerning using Alt corps to help take multiple Districts when Clone Starter Packs were going to be cheaper but more limited. CCP recognized that the strategy would ultimately work and it only created more effort for players and since it just made the game less fun for the players who had to juggle such nonsense they did away with the restrictions on Starter Packs.

Seems like the same principle could be applied here. Not having the proper Corp Management security tools in place for P/C creates unnecessary risk. Risk that can be negated by jumping through a lot of silly hoops that ultimately keeps players from...you know...actually playing the game (ie: less fun). So why not just stick to the precedent of eliminating "time-suck, no fun, hoop jumping shenanigans" and just put in a simple mechanic that allows folks to use their time a bit more productively.

No QQ here...just trying to make a sensible argument to those who feel a simple "HTFU" is considered real debate.

isnt your CEO in CPM too? the imperfects? basically the most corrupt motherfuckers in this game. period. you guys should really be the ones talking about standards.

Excuse me, but... whut? Since when did people think Kain was our CEO?

On the one hand...whatever...when required the "holding corp" nonsense will be implemented and we'll move out and draw fire.

That being said, this takes me back to the whole player formulated workaround concerning using Alt corps to help take multiple Districts when Clone Starter Packs were going to cheaper but more limited. CCP recognized that the strategy would ultimately work and it only created more effort for players and since it just made the game less fun for the players who had to juggle such nonsense they did away with the restrictions on Starter Packs.

Seems like the same principle could be applied here. Not having the proper Corp Management security tools in place for P/C creates unnecessary risk. Risk that can be negated by jumping through a lot of silly hoops that ultimately keeps players from...you know...actually playing the game (ie: less fun). So why not just stick to the precedent of eliminating "time-suck, no fun, hoop jumping shenanigans" and just put in a simple mechanic that allows folks to use their time a bit more productively.

No QQ here...just trying to make a sensible argument to those who feel a simple "HTFU" is considered real debate.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

No way, Awoxing sounds like it could be really fun.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

Do you want it to be a cheap thrill or a satisfying payoff for playing the meta?

Typing on a tablet sucks so I just copied this from a similar thread.



That's not a "tool". That's an incredibly clumsy work around to a broken and poorly thought out system. While it will work in the short term, is a CPM really suggesting that's an acceptable system? Make every corporation with aspirations to participate in PC create multiple corps, alts for every officer, and additional in-game chat and communication channels as an ass-backwards way to create member access rights? Hell CCP should want to avoid such a system simply to save on server resources. Take off your fanboy glasses, they're not an actual requirement of being a CPM member. Clumsy annoyances for the sake of clumsy annoyances isn't "meta", it's just a clumsy annoyance.

"Jenza did the dirty with a member of CCP "


interesting... i think you actually just leaned in to the world of "liable".


might be wrong, but...

Peace
B

Fair enough, I actually did go back and reread it and IWS did say "Well there are tools to resolve the issue until ingame means are made available"

So yeah I did respond too harshly.

I still don't believe cheerleading actions that you know result from deficiencies in the game design is good form, though. I'd view it as akin to approving of the intentional abuse of known glitches and exploits in battle. So for my own orientation to the culture, is that something that would also be acceptable according to the New Eden ethos?

You mean libel. And maybe. If Jenza were to press it in court. Unless it were true...

see oscar wilde

Spies and betrayals are a part of New Eden. They're meant to be a part of New Eden. The problem is that so are the PROPER tools to limit their activities, and right now, we're lacking in those.

I would like to see limits to but until they are in people will have to start out-thinking the spies themselves.

I just want to get this straight.

Regardless at how ABSURDLY easy it is to ruin PC battles for a corp - you're going to call that a tool and HTFU over it's use?

You mean after sitting in this dirt for **** game for a year testing it, always hoping for a better future... after suffering through a TERRIBLE expansion filled with the most ridiculous nerfs and changes - I now have to worry that any 2-bit idiot will jump onto his alt right in time to hijack PC and ruin it for everyone? All in the name of some other ******* games meta?

Wow and holyshit. So everytime a terrible mechanic CCP is too dumb to test before releasing is shown it's going to turn into a 'meta' tool.

That's fuckin' great.

I support sabotage - but not when it's this easy to do.

I don't want direct limits on what a spy can do. I want ways for Corp CEOs and Directors to limit the activities of other members, so that low-level spies can't fill out a Corp battle with unauthorised non-Corp members.

So spamming the x buttin is a tactic?

Ok, so I really think you are raging in the wrong direction man. If what is being alleged is true, all she did was use the tools she was born with to pry info out of a weak link. It has happened all throughout history by women seeking information in times of both war and peace. It happens, deal with it.

However, having stated that; if these allegations are true, then CCP's IA has someone to can. Loose lips sink ships, apparently between the alcohol and the female attention, someone decided to loosen their lips. If you cannot maintain professional integrity then you have no right to be mingling with people who will be seeking sensitive information (read: The entire playerbase of New Eden).

Do we really want to repeat T20?

kill everything

It's a get out of playing cheap/poorly free card, right?

In which case, defamation. Either way...

I said it in the other thread on this and I'll say it here too:

PC is the draw to this game, how long do expect it to last when new players enter the field and find out winning fights doesn't matter. The only thing that will matter is your ability to juggle multiple alts just to be able to run the main corp and the alt corp. The solution of holdign corps isn't very viable due to chat channel restrictions in dust.

EoN has been hit with the tactic once, and it might happen again. I don't bring this up because I'm worried about loosing districts, I do it because I worry about loosing Dust.

PC so far has been the most fun I've ever had in New Eden. The fights have been tough, and the victories have been rewarding. I won't let this tactic threaten the validity of PC.

isnt your CEO in CPM too? the imperfects? basically the most corrupt motherfuckers in this game. period. you guys should really be the ones talking about standards.

What the **** is up with you? T20 was caused by a member of CCP giving special preference to his alliance in the T2 BPO lotteries, not by discovering Awoxing. This is nowhere near as bad as T20, no CCP member has been implicated as causing this issue or contributing to it in any way shape or form whatsoever, so loosen the tinfoil around your brain and shove off.

If what is being alleged is true

if these allegations are true

Hardcore white knight dude. As your name/corp reveals, it doesn't mean they will return the favor in the end. Better to pick a set of principals and stick to them than to defend a person's e-honor.

Please explain the corruption of the imperfects

if these allegations are true

Also, if this is true about her spending the night with a member of CCP during fanfest, then how can anyone (outside of Jenza and the CCP member) be 100% sure that other sensitive information wasn't passed on? How do you know that there aren't any other internal weaknesses in the code that may have been passed along? Passing along information such as loopholes in the code is the same at this point in time (given that this happened just at the open of PC) as passing along items to profit in-game.

Also, if this is true about her spending the night with a member of CCP during fanfest, then how can anyone (outside of Jenza and the CCP member) be 100% sure that other sensitive information wasn't passed on? How do you know that there aren't any other internal weaknesses in the code that may have been passed along? Passing along information such as loopholes in the code is the same at this point in time (given that this happened just at the open of PC) as passing along items to profit in-game.

hey, **** happens. but my principle is to defend those who are either unwilling or unable to defend themselves. as is my principle in real life :) hows that for e-honor?

Advice: Rampage is 11. Don't expect him to know more then how to pull a trigger in the general direction he thinks enemies are.

dude... lol

This is New Eden.

There are asshats, griefers, team killers and otherwise slimy individuals. There is no honor except for the ones the community or you decide and even they only exist in opinions. I have no doubts that what i did was going to happen (hell it sorta allready did once!) but its not a big deal so long as you play smart and understand that not everyone will play fair.

hey, **** happens. but my principle is to defend those who are either unwilling or unable to defend themselves. as is my principle in real life :) hows that for e-honor?

This thread just took a turn for the hilarious

Alright this **** is going too far, you need to shove off, mate. Don't bring people's personal lives into this.

You're right. There are asshats, Griefers, Teamkillers, and otherwise lame people. It is however rare to see someone admit that they are one!

Bravo, Asshat.

Ok, so I really think you are raging in the wrong direction man. If what is being alleged is true, all she did was use the tools she was born with to pry info out of a weak link. It has happened all throughout history by women seeking information in times of both war and peace. It happens, deal with it.

However, having stated that; if these allegations are true, then CCP's IA has someone to can. Loose lips sink ships, apparently between the alcohol and the female attention, someone decided to loosen their lips. If you cannot maintain professional integrity then you have no right to be mingling with people who will be seeking sensitive information (read: The entire playerbase of New Eden).

Do we really want to repeat T20?

This thread just took a turn for the hilarious

You're right. There are asshats, Griefers, Teamkillers, and otherwise lame people. It is however rare to see someone admit that they are one!

Bravo, Asshat.

If a CPM is sleeping with members of the GM team or CCP that's a clear conflict of interest and we won't stand for it, personal life or not. Pretty pathetic too lmfao

If a CPM is sleeping with members of the GM team or CCP that's a clear conflict of interest and we won't stand for it, personal life or not. Pretty pathetic too lmfao

lol are you mad that im wanted and your not?.. or is it because i left your ****** alliance because i knew it was going no where?

That's funny, I'm on the A team in the mother corp of the most skilled alliance in the game....who exactly are you again? Just another irrelevant clan hopping child LOL glad you're branded with DJINN forever just so everyone knows you're nothing but a corp hopper with a big mouth.

That's funny, I'm on the A team in the mother corp of the most skilled alliance in the game....who exactly are you again? Just another irrelevant clan hopping child LOL glad you're branded with DJINN forever just so everyone knows you're nothing but a corp hopper with a big mouth.

Stuff about sleeping with CCP

If a CPM is sleeping with members of the GM team or CCP that's a clear conflict of interest and we won't stand for it, personal life or not. Pretty pathetic too lmfao

And you're a dumb pubbie who'll be gone before the next update because a new FPS will have grabbed your short attention.

I think the real question is who runs betamax, or what is Jenza really like. For the past year, Jenza has acted in a positive and helpful manner, trying to provide the community with advice and support. However, this all changed in the last few days, which begs the question who is the real leader, and or why was there such a change in her actions? Maybe she really is like this as indicated by her comments in this post:

"...On the record, i will say that its not an exploit but an issue and is a legitimate meta game. That doesnt mean that it wouldnt be useful to make a few more tools to lessen the effect."

"... I went to have a talk with CCP and the CPMs just after licking delicious tears."

But the biggest contradiction by our "CPM rep" was exemplified in the following quote:

"do you want to know the first thing i did after the match (appart from drinking those sweet forum tears you gave us)

I went to have a chat with CPM and CCP and had a discussion on what there is to be done."

I care about this game dude, even if you cant see it."

This is absolutely ludicrous and an indication that she does support the manipulation of the game mechanics as well as the perpetuation of corporate sabotage. How can you go from saying you used the exploits to then going to CCP and reporting it? Isn't that a little odd that a ceo and cpm member publicly states they manipulated the game mechanics, worked towards the destruction of a corp and at the same to says they reported it to CCP???

I've lost all respect for you Jenza and support your removal from the CPM.

Osiris.

I've been here since closed beta...maybe you should go back to SA, you're clearly not ready for forum PvP against anyone with half a brain.

I've been here since closed beta...maybe you should go back to SA, you're clearly not ready for forum PvP against anyone with half a brain.

Oh man. I guess you haven't heard the rumors about what I used to do to get the news I passed onto the community, then?

But back on topic : OP, you better add me to this list too.

Not only do I love it, but I completely condemn this horse**** opinion that people should need director roles to do this, and that people should be able to kick people from matches, and all those weak "MY GAME SHOULD BE 100% SAFE" arguments.

Sure, it's a bit easy to do now. But if a role to join PC has to be made. There should simply be a "Can join PC" role. -Maybe- A 'Can join PC as squad leader' but this director only thing is the worst idea surrounding PC I've heard since reading that clones would be your primary income and your attack resource combined.

This 'I should be able to kick people from my matches' idea needs to die, and burn in a fire right here. Kicking is a horrible solution. If it becomes harder (See previous paragraph) to awox, if you get awox'd you shouldn't have a 'mulligan' button that can easily stop it without any real effort on your part. That's just as cheap as the tactic you're complaining about, tbh. If someone worms their allies into your team with sabotage in mind, all the consequences associated with that should be in play. Any measures CCP implements about this should be preventative (See previous paragraph) but after the fact, you should have to live with it.

I've been here since closed beta...maybe you should go back to SA, you're clearly not ready for forum PvP against anyone with half a brain.

EON have officially just became the biggest group of carebears this side of new Eden. You lose because of infiltration and are now trying to bismerch someone's rl reputation instead of owning up to the loss.

Did you guys honestly believe you didn't have any spies in your corp? I wouldn't be surprised if half of all the major corps were just alts of members from every other major corp.

D-uni, who are primarily all newbies/noobs got torn a new one thanks to this stuff and they didn't go off the handle like this. How does it feel to be lower than an academic corp?

... uhm... I would be treading carefully here.

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too late counter attack strikes for critical damage.

EON have officially just became the biggest group of carebears this side of new Eden. You lose because of infiltration and are now trying to bismerch someone's rl reputation instead of owning up to the loss.

Did you guys honestly believe you didn't have any spies in your corp? I wouldn't be surprised if half of all the major corps were just alts of members from every other major corp.

D-uni, who are primarily all newbies/noobs got torn a new one thanks to this stuff and they didn't go off the handle like this. How does it feel to be lower than an academic corp?

That's funny, I'm on the A team in the mother corp of the most skilled alliance in the game....who exactly are you again? Just another irrelevant clan hopping child LOL glad you're branded with DJINN forever just so everyone knows you're nothing but a corp hopper with a big mouth.

Oh man. I guess you haven't heard the rumors about what I used to do to get the news I passed onto the community, then?



But back on topic : OP, you better add me to this list too.

Not only do I love it, but I completely condemn this horse**** opinion that people should need director roles to do this, and that people should be able to kick people from matches, and all those weak "MY GAME SHOULD BE 100% SAFE" arguments.

Sure, it's a bit easy to do now. But if a role to join PC has to be made. There should simply be a "Can join PC" role. -Maybe- A 'Can join PC as squad leader' but this director only thing is the worst idea surrounding PC I've heard since reading that clones would be your primary income and your attack resource combined.

This 'I should be able to kick people from my matches' idea needs to die, and burn in a fire right here. Kicking is a horrible solution. If it becomes harder (See previous paragraph) to awox, if you get awox'd you shouldn't have a 'mulligan' button that can easily stop it without any real effort on your part. That's just as cheap as the tactic you're complaining about, tbh. If someone worms their allies into your team with sabotage in mind, all the consequences associated with that should be in play. Any measures CCP implements about this should be preventative (See previous paragraph) but after the fact, you should have to live with it.

Please, tell an adult male living on his own more about the real world.

Please iron, his rebuttal wasn't even worth replying to

Genius, the guy joined and left the corp in the same day. You make it sound like it was some well executed plan. A well executed plan would have made it into corp leadership and broken things down internally. But you know...that requires...planning. This was more of a "**** what can we do last minute to not lose". It's not like they pulled this when we attacked the district the first time, they got destroyed...even with SI ringers. This was their last resort.

Please iron, his rebuttal wasn't even worth replying to
@Abu a debate would imply there's some form of intelligent discussion taking place in an orderly manner. That is certainly not the case. Please, tell an adult male living on his own more about the real world.

lmfao, says a scrub who has no idea who he's talking about. who are you again? how many PC battles have you fought in? i personally have 8 under my belt ATM and plan on earning at least 100 more in the coming weeks. most skilled alliance? the dudes who got stomped by just about everyone in the game? the one whos been pushing for our districts all week but still hasnt managed to take one? the one who only uses ringers from other corps in their battles? right guy, get your facts straight then come talk to me. i dont even think synergy has one top 250 player in its ranks. and you just lost half your A+ players to league of infamy. THEYRE the threat.. not you. lol your just a joke we feel we can get some lulz out of.

I've participated in more than ten PC battles

You sure don't seem like it.

Please, tell us how throwing a temper tantrum over e-words goes in the real world.

I failed to find your intelligent discussion on the matter so I would assume you're just as incompetent at discussion as Xaerael is.

And congrats on being a homeowner, though I wouldn't call trailer's a home, nor renting a lot as "owning" but I guess the GED can only teach you so much.

Also you do realize the housing market is rather weak in almost the majority of states and as a result the poor can own their own home easily right? It's not that much of a claim but hey, you make that mountain out of an ant-hill. You go girl!

Genius, the guy joined and left the corp in the same day. You make it sound like it was some well executed plan. A well executed plan would have made it into corp leadership and broken things down internally. But you know...that requires...planning. This was more of a "**** what can we do last minute to not lose". It's not like they pulled this when we attacked the district the first time, they got destroyed...even with SI ringers. This was their last resort.

And now you're QQing so hard that you have resorted to say that someone slept with a dev to beat you. Do you realize how idiotic you are being? They made a move and it worked, deal with it.

Who in their right mind would keep open recruitment on after hearing about Duni and SI(I think) being infiltrated. You make it sound that EON is lead by morons. At least if it was a well executed plan, you would have a leg to stand on. However, you didn't even get caughy with your pants down, your spread your cheeks out for them.

I've participated in more than ten PC battles, all of which I have won, all of which i was near the top of the leaderboards at the end of the game. How can you say we've been stomped when SyN hasn't lost A SINGLE PC MATCH? LMFAO, get your facts straight kid. I know for a fact BETAmax has lost multiple PC battles, and so has your alliance (easily more than 10 losses, all cronos does is send ringers in to help orion and STILL lose)
anyone who's left SyNergy is welcome to do so, but we've been equally as successful as the imperfects, as we have yet to lose a match...so I don't think we're hurting too much

Temper tantrum? Is this the third grade? I'm not even angry, you should probably look into taking a reading comprehension class.


These are some of the most pathetic blind shots in the dark I have seen in YEARS. Living in a trailer? Renting a lot? HAHAHAHA OH GOD COMEDY GOLD

I got into the housing market after the bubble popped, got a decent house at a price nobody would have dreamed of 10 years ago. Not all of us can be successful in life, so don't take it personal :(

in the interest of full disclosure i once hugged ccp veritas

Did you run out of fingers at that point to keep count on?

Oh man. I guess you haven't heard the rumors about what I used to do to get the news I passed onto the community, then?



But back on topic : OP, you better add me to this list too.

Not only do I love it, but I completely condemn this horse**** opinion that people should need director roles to do this, and that people should be able to kick people from matches, and all those weak "MY GAME SHOULD BE 100% SAFE" arguments.

Sure, it's a bit easy to do now. But if a role to join PC has to be made. There should simply be a "Can join PC" role. -Maybe- A 'Can join PC as squad leader' but this director only thing is the worst idea surrounding PC I've heard since reading that clones would be your primary income and your attack resource combined.

This 'I should be able to kick people from my matches' idea needs to die, and burn in a fire right here. Kicking is a horrible solution. If it becomes harder (See previous paragraph) to awox, if you get awox'd you shouldn't have a 'mulligan' button that can easily stop it without any real effort on your part. That's just as cheap as the tactic you're complaining about, tbh. If someone worms their allies into your team with sabotage in mind, all the consequences associated with that should be in play. Any measures CCP implements about this should be preventative (See previous paragraph) but after the fact, you should have to live with it.

Temper tantrum? Is this the third grade? I'm not even angry, you should probably look into taking a reading comprehension class.


These are some of the most pathetic blind shots in the dark I have seen in YEARS. Living in a trailer? Renting a lot? HAHAHAHA OH GOD COMEDY GOLD

I got into the housing market after the bubble popped, got a decent house at a price nobody would have dreamed of 10 years ago. Not all of us can be successful in life, so don't take it personal :(

No you're totally right, this game will surely thrive and survive when small corps like dust university lose all the ISK they spent weeks/months saving and invested because someone thought it would be EPIK LULZ XDDDddd to join and teamkill them (or SI is so scared of low-tier corps they paid for it)

This is a broken "feature" and shouldn't exist, almost every modern day FPS game has a kick function for reasons EXACTLY like this, and people will literally stop playing the game because of this kind of exploitation.

add a kick feature CCP, don't cater to the edgy 13 year olds who are too scared of competition/an actual fight.

I think the real question is who runs betamax, or what is Jenza really like. For the past year, Jenza has acted in a positive and helpful manner, trying to provide the community with advice and support. However, this all changed in the last few days, which begs the question who is the real leader, and or why was there such a change in her actions? Maybe she really is like this as indicated by her comments in this post:

"...On the record, i will say that its not an exploit but an issue and is a legitimate meta game. That doesnt mean that it wouldnt be useful to make a few more tools to lessen the effect."

"... I went to have a talk with CCP and the CPMs just after licking delicious tears."

But the biggest contradiction by our "CPM rep" was exemplified in the following quote:

"do you want to know the first thing i did after the match (appart from drinking those sweet forum tears you gave us)

I went to have a chat with CPM and CCP and had a discussion on what there is to be done."

I care about this game dude, even if you cant see it."

This is absolutely ludicrous and an indication that she does support the manipulation of the game mechanics as well as the perpetuation of corporate sabotage. How can you go from saying you used the exploits to then going to CCP and reporting it? Isn't that a little odd that a ceo and cpm member publicly states they manipulated the game mechanics, worked towards the destruction of a corp and at the same to says they reported it to CCP???

I've lost all respect for you Jenza and support your removal from the CPM.

Osiris.

No you're totally right, this game will surely thrive and survive when small corps like dust university lose all the ISK they spent weeks/months saving and invested because someone thought it would be EPIK LULZ XDDDddd to join and teamkill them (or SI is so scared of low-tier corps they paid for it)

This is a broken "feature" and shouldn't exist, almost every modern day FPS game has a kick function for reasons EXACTLY like this, and people will literally stop playing the game because of this kind of exploitation.

add a kick feature CCP, don't cater to the edgy 13 year olds who are too scared of competition/an actual fight.

I CALL BULSHIT! I was there, and we had nothing but BetaMax, and we only lost 42 clones while you lost 120... how is that getting destroyed? you padded my KDR quite nicely with that match. ******* scrubs.

LMFAOOOO your ******* hilarious bro. like i said, we still havent lost any districts, only accumulated them. yo SI how many have we won in the past few days? like 6 right? right. and how many have we lost? like none right? right. you can attack us all you want scrub, WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. soon, our blue donut will cover all on molden heath and CCP will be forced to expand ;) all you are is ludicrous. if you THINK EoN is the most skilled alliance, that's even more laughable. off the top of my head before PC youve lost to just about every alliance out there plenty of times. ive personally watched the assrape handed to you by hellstorm. and are you forgetting noir mercs? negative-Feedback? CRONOS? ****, even ROFL is better than you. only alliance YOUR ****** alliance is better than is orion. go play d3lta force some more. i know they're the only COMP you can handle. scrubs.

You can reply to this post with your long strings of run-on sentences but chances are I'm not going to bother reading it or replying because your posts pretty much boil down to sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALALA I CANT HEAR U IM BETTER THAN U LEL"

White knight some more, D-Uni took their beating like a man, smiled about it and even congratulated us after the fact for pulling some stuff they weren't expecting, D-Uni doesnt need your protection, they're cool dudes.