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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:18:00 -
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If I hear "htfu lel welcum 2 new eden faget" as a justification for not fixing broken systems one more time I'm going to burn down an orphanage |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
286
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:18:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote: (Quote snip, pay attention to what I did here folks)
Nova explain how having the current PC mechanics is good for the game? How long before half of PC if 5 people sitting in an MCC committing suicide? Is that the end game vision of CCP? I already said a few (Pages now, I think) back in my first post in this thread : Having a role for 'can join pc' is something that should be done. But it should stop there, as far as roles for PC go. But a director manually filling a roster for each match like some people suggest, or having the ability to kick people during a match is utter horse ****. It's not fun, and if that stuff gets implemented people in the lower tiers of larger corps will never see PC at all because the only people who play will be the 'A team' (and possibly 'b team') unless they're really starving for people. I did agree that it's too easy to do. But I don't think it should be impossible to do without director roles. If someone 'awoxes' you, it wouldn't be hard to remove the role to join PC matches and kick them from the corp afterwards. But like I said in my first post on the subject : CCP should make measures regarding this preventative, not punitive. If someone manages to get 'spies' or 'griefers' into a match, there should be no "easy-out' option that simply removes them before the match is over and their 'damage' is done.
We shoulld have either a "Squad Leader" or a "Team Leader" Role (Team leader if CCP allows up to premake full teams with the Team Lead being the one with the role to join PC matches, and would act much like FC's). If CCP doesn't allow us to make full teams Squad Leads will have the permissions to join squads into battle.
With these tools I would consider awoxing legitimate. |
steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
552
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:23:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:If I hear "htfu lel welcum 2 new eden faget" as a justification for not fixing broken systems one more time I'm going to burn down an orphanage Omg htfu welcome to new eden ***** :x
Turns on news and waits |
Abu Stij
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:23:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:If I hear "htfu lel welcum 2 new eden faget" as a justification for not fixing broken systems one more time I'm going to burn down an orphanage
While I'm sure some oppressed orphans may be happy with that, its a valid counterargument to bitching about a system that actually is meant to be in place. Since you're a Reddit pre-teen you might want to talk to your EVE side buddies and ask why AWOXing is allowed and actually fun, I'm sure they've tried their hand at spying and AWOXing.
As previously stated, its a valid mechanic CCP has time and time again always supported. To remove it from DUST 514 would make this games interaction and "partnership" with EVE useless and meaningless. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:32:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote: (Quote snip, pay attention to what I did here folks)
Nova explain how having the current PC mechanics is good for the game? How long before half of PC if 5 people sitting in an MCC committing suicide? Is that the end game vision of CCP? I already said a few (Pages now, I think) back in my first post in this thread : Having a role for 'can join pc' is something that should be done. But it should stop there, as far as roles for PC go. But a director manually filling a roster for each match like some people suggest, or having the ability to kick people during a match is utter horse ****. It's not fun, and if that stuff gets implemented people in the lower tiers of larger corps will never see PC at all because the only people who play will be the 'A team' (and possibly 'b team') unless they're really starving for people. I did agree that it's too easy to do. But I don't think it should be impossible to do without director roles. If someone 'awoxes' you, it wouldn't be hard to remove the role to join PC matches and kick them from the corp afterwards. But like I said in my first post on the subject : CCP should make measures regarding this preventative, not punitive. If someone manages to get 'spies' or 'griefers' into a match, there should be no "easy-out' option that simply removes them before the match is over and their 'damage' is done.
Corp battle management should copy-paste EVE fleet management and go from there. People can than make management as tight or laise-faire as they wish.
Being able to kick is equally important to controlling who can join. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:32:00 -
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We need a rights based system similar to the way windows handles it i.e. having a list of possible actions that a corpmember can take and granting or denieing them.
Role: Scrub (default)
join FC : no squadleader FC : no recruit: yes assign roles :no acces corpstorage x : yes acces corpstorage y : no and so on...
The only thing that's left is deciding wich options should show up in this menu. That way CEOs have reasonable and fine grained control concerning their members without the use of numerous alt corps and the cost in both time and isk that entails. |
Dexter Peabody
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:39:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:We need an rights based system similar to the way windows handles it i.e. having a list of possible actions that a corpmember can take and granting or denieing them.
Role: Scrub (default)
join FC : no squadleader FC : no recruit: yes assign roles :no acces corpstorage x : yes acces corpstorage y : no and so on...
The only thing that's left is deciding wich options should show up in this menu. That way CEOs have reasonable and fine grained control concerning their members without the use of numerous alt corps and the cost in both time and isk that entails.
The problem with the roles system is that it would need to be updated EVE-side too, and that's just as bad a chaotic mess. Given the new CCP development schedule, the earliest you'd see that would be this winter. I don't find that too likely, because they're in a phase where they'll only develop features that everyone uses. Since only a handful of people touch the corp roles system, heh.
Kicking people from matches is a terrible idea |
Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:41:00 -
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Abu Stij wrote:Pseudogenesis wrote:If I hear "htfu lel welcum 2 new eden faget" as a justification for not fixing broken systems one more time I'm going to burn down an orphanage While I'm sure some oppressed orphans may be happy with that, its a valid counterargument to bitching about a system that actually is meant to be in place. Since you're a Reddit pre-teen you might want to talk to your EVE side buddies and ask why AWOXing is allowed and actually fun, I'm sure they've tried their hand at spying and AWOXing. As previously stated, its a valid mechanic CCP has time and time again always supported. To remove it from DUST 514 would make this games interaction and "partnership" with EVE useless and meaningless.
Reddit preteen? Cute. I love all the ad hominem floating around on these forums, really makes the Eve community seem mature and intelligent.
I'm no idiot. I know enough about the Eve universe to understand that infiltration, scam and espionage are some of its biggest draws and most cherished dynamics. I also know enough to understand that "awoxing" PC matches is not any of these.
So let me get this straight. Awoxing is joining a PC match and repeatedly committing suicide to tilt the odds in the other team's favor? This could be considered infiltration or espionage if any actual trust was involved whatsoever. Any skill, cunning or actual intelligence. Instead, all you have to do is hop into the match, and the corporation fighting it can't do anything about it. You call that a functioning game mechanic? |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
BetaMax. CRONOS.
68
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:43:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:
We shoulld have either a "Squad Leader" or a "Team Leader" Role (Team leader if CCP allows up to premake full teams with the Team Lead being the one with the role to join PC matches, and would act much like FC's). If CCP doesn't allow us to make full teams Squad Leads will have the permissions to join squads into battle.
With these tools I would consider awoxing legitimate.
It's not gonna protect you from being Avoxed. Anyone can be a spy. Sooner or later CCP will introduce Team Commander...
..to what is said Nova - the current PC is just the demo, real PC starts when we will be able to take planets in 0.0, and kill some caps on orbit. |
ALMIGHTY STATIUS
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:44:00 -
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I support this OP. |
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GM Hercules
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.19 20:45:00 -
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Right,
There is a long history behind this. So feel free to read this:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64506
also this
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=626790#post626790
and finally this
https://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/04/dust-514-council-of-planetary-management-1/
If you have further questions or suggestions, file a petition at:
https://dust514.com/user/help-tickets/
Thanks.
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