she doesnt need me to defend her, i volunteer as i would for any corp member of any corp that im in ;)

she lifts bro, do you?

I just want to get this straight.

Regardless at how ABSURDLY easy it is to ruin PC battles for a corp - you're going to call that a tool and HTFU over it's use?

You mean after sitting in this dirt for **** game for a year testing it, always hoping for a better future... after suffering through a TERRIBLE expansion filled with the most ridiculous nerfs and changes - I now have to worry that any 2-bit idiot will jump onto his alt right in time to hijack PC and ruin it for everyone? All in the name of some other ******* games meta?

Wow and holyshit. So everytime a terrible mechanic CCP is too dumb to test before releasing is shown it's going to turn into a 'meta' tool.

That's fuckin' great.

I support sabotage - but not when it's this easy to do.

I feel the same way about Jenza's support for AFK

You won't find a single AFKer who doesn't think AFK farming shouldn't be removed somehow. Even Jenza thinks it should be removed.

To hand-holdy for me. And you analogy breaks so quickly it's laughable.

This is a mechanic on the social side of the game. It manifests as a consequence of decisions you make regarding trust. Do you really want DUST to be a game that babysits you in a way that protects you from bad decisions concerning people? I sure as hell don't. I'm sure what we both want is a mechanic to kick players, which CCP has already spoken to and last i heard there was a role on the way to accommodate this.

To compare it with a broken warpoint mechanic is ridiculous and possibly disingenuous. It's like comparing cultural evolution to rocks falling. Flat out ridiculous.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

the obviously broken mechanic.

uh.
this is eve.
i think this might have be the only time this phrase has EVER been used correctly on the 514 forums, but....
"harden the **** up"

uh.
this is eve.
i think this might have be the only time this phrase has EVER been used correctly on the 514 forums, but....
"harden the **** up"

On the one hand...whatever...when required the "holding corp" nonsense will be implemented and we'll move out and draw fire.

That being said, this takes me back to the whole player formulated workaround concerning using Alt corps to help take multiple Districts when Clone Starter Packs were going to be cheaper but more limited. CCP recognized that the strategy would ultimately work and it only created more effort for players and since it just made the game less fun for the players who had to juggle such nonsense they did away with the restrictions on Starter Packs.

Seems like the same principle could be applied here. Not having the proper Corp Management security tools in place for P/C creates unnecessary risk. Risk that can be negated by jumping through a lot of silly hoops that ultimately keeps players from...you know...actually playing the game (ie: less fun). So why not just stick to the precedent of eliminating "time-suck, no fun, hoop jumping shenanigans" and just put in a simple mechanic that allows folks to use their time a bit more productively.

No QQ here...just trying to make a sensible argument to those who feel a simple "HTFU" is considered real debate.

isnt your CEO in CPM too? the imperfects? basically the most corrupt motherfuckers in this game. period. you guys should really be the ones talking about standards.

Excuse me, but... whut? Since when did people think Kain was our CEO?

On the one hand...whatever...when required the "holding corp" nonsense will be implemented and we'll move out and draw fire.

That being said, this takes me back to the whole player formulated workaround concerning using Alt corps to help take multiple Districts when Clone Starter Packs were going to cheaper but more limited. CCP recognized that the strategy would ultimately work and it only created more effort for players and since it just made the game less fun for the players who had to juggle such nonsense they did away with the restrictions on Starter Packs.

Seems like the same principle could be applied here. Not having the proper Corp Management security tools in place for P/C creates unnecessary risk. Risk that can be negated by jumping through a lot of silly hoops that ultimately keeps players from...you know...actually playing the game (ie: less fun). So why not just stick to the precedent of eliminating "time-suck, no fun, hoop jumping shenanigans" and just put in a simple mechanic that allows folks to use their time a bit more productively.

No QQ here...just trying to make a sensible argument to those who feel a simple "HTFU" is considered real debate.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

No way, Awoxing sounds like it could be really fun.

Both of these CPM members have now on the record voiced support for the tactic known as AWOXing. This tactic while it can be considered meta-game is obviously a major problem for planetary conquest due to a severe lack of corporation controls and is far to easy to pull off. The job of CPM is to be the advocate for the community so that dust can thrive, however it seems that that duty has been set aside and replaced with their duty to Betamax (and their use of AWOXing) and the defense of a tactic that will turn the greatest part of dust into a side show.

When CPM0 was announced many members of the community voiced their concerns of having 2 members of CPM from the same corporation and now it seems that those concerns have been proven valid. Any CPM members who have the community as their top priority would quickly condemn this tactic, and would use their influence to push CCP to give corporation leadership stronger controls over their PC battle roster.

Do you want it to be a cheap thrill or a satisfying payoff for playing the meta?

Typing on a tablet sucks so I just copied this from a similar thread.



That's not a "tool". That's an incredibly clumsy work around to a broken and poorly thought out system. While it will work in the short term, is a CPM really suggesting that's an acceptable system? Make every corporation with aspirations to participate in PC create multiple corps, alts for every officer, and additional in-game chat and communication channels as an ass-backwards way to create member access rights? Hell CCP should want to avoid such a system simply to save on server resources. Take off your fanboy glasses, they're not an actual requirement of being a CPM member. Clumsy annoyances for the sake of clumsy annoyances isn't "meta", it's just a clumsy annoyance.

"Jenza did the dirty with a member of CCP "


interesting... i think you actually just leaned in to the world of "liable".


might be wrong, but...

Peace
B

Fair enough, I actually did go back and reread it and IWS did say "Well there are tools to resolve the issue until ingame means are made available"

So yeah I did respond too harshly.

I still don't believe cheerleading actions that you know result from deficiencies in the game design is good form, though. I'd view it as akin to approving of the intentional abuse of known glitches and exploits in battle. So for my own orientation to the culture, is that something that would also be acceptable according to the New Eden ethos?

You mean libel. And maybe. If Jenza were to press it in court. Unless it were true...

see oscar wilde